02:10:45 is there active work to improve the linux jail compatibility? 02:22:12 duskmoss: What do you mean by "linux jail"? 02:22:34 As in, linux compat inside a jail? 02:22:49 yes, as the handbook uses the term 02:25:08 I guess to expand, linux compat inside a jail that then runs a linux distro userland 02:27:50 duskmoss: What isn't working for you? Last I checked, a "Linuxulator" jail stuff worked fine? 02:29:38 Granted, I don't use anything like that very often (I only tested it.) But it did work for what I needed/tested. 02:30:13 I'm not crazy familiar with Linux emulation on FBSD. 02:30:53 there's not really much in the way of active work happening on the linuxolator as far as i'm aware, mostly maintenance stuff and kinda low-hanging fruit for things we were adding to freebsd anyways (e.g., native inotify) 02:35:11 if i want to create a new user and provide its home dir myself (so it already has the dirs and files how the user wants them rather than the default skeletons) i just pass -d to pw instead of -m or -M right? 02:35:46 i want to do it that way so i don't have to create with defaults using -m/-M, then copy user's dirs and files in, THEN delete the dirs we don't use like .cshrc 02:38:09 What is the status of Intel graphics card on FreeBSD 02:42:41 kevans: thanks, thats exactly what I was wondering about 02:43:43 kerneldove: If you're using "pw useradd", as long as you exclude "-m", it shouldn't add any skel files. 02:43:58 Maybe "-dM" at the most. Might not even need that. 02:44:01 i was surprised to see the status report mention a project for the reverse, when I know people used to be realy hyped about the potential of just running containers from docker hub on fbsd. so just wondering 02:55:31 duskmoss: the bsd-user 4 linux project? 02:56:23 A few test runs with different pw options would completely answer the question of what it does with different options. It's the only way to be sure. 02:57:30 ya i was also curious how others do it tho. like add user with -m/-M to get skeleton files, then copy in user files and make other changes, or add user with -d and provide whole home dir that no skeleton files/dirs are added to 02:58:53 I normally use "adduser" which is a wrapper script around all of the things that it does. 03:08:20 Same. I use both adduser and pw to create users, but I always (aside from special cases) create the homedir along with the skel files. 03:09:04 why? 03:22:37 duckworld: oh, you'll note that it calls out Github Actions in that work. that's actually a pretty big deal and an excellent reason to want this 03:22:40 er 03:22:44 duskmoss: ^ 03:34:45 kerneldove: Because most users will benefit from the skel files. If the user being created doesn't require a login shell or anything, I'll skip it. 03:35:53 well i use login shells but i have my own paired down generic user home 03:37:22 kerneldove: Okay. That's fine. 03:38:47 kerneldove: Are you saying you want to use different skel files or none at all when you create a user? 03:39:12 s/user/user's homedir/ 03:40:29 just wanna use my own standard home dir. i guess some of that could be considered my own skeleton (common) files 03:42:19 kerneldove: Have you looed at the -k arg? 03:42:25 looked* 03:44:07 hm ya that's interesting 03:46:00 -k says it's useful with -m and -d. i get how it's used with -m but how's it useful with -d? -d points home at an existing dir, so how would -k skeleton files come into play? 04:49:33 oh kevans I wasn't trying to denigrate the project at all, It just surprised me! 06:20:47 looks like by default user home dirs are created with 755. any prob making it 750 so ppl who don't share group can't snoop on file and dir names? 10:59:21 kerneldove: `/etc/pw.conf` (`man 5 pw.conf`) might be useful too. 11:04:09 I might as well mention that the `mount += "..."` setting for jails is useful even for thick jails, if you like to have a readonly directory with shared files that you just symlink to. 11:07:59 s/symlink/symlink or refer to/ 11:24:02 what's point of pw.conf man page dango? 11:34:26 To set your defaults, if you find yourself often customizing new users after creation.. I guess 11:36:47 ya but what do you guys think about making user home dir 750? 11:39:14 but the question was if it would make problems, which I guess it does not, at least I don't know of anything that would need 755 home dirs, except maybe if you want to configure a webserver to serve a ~/public_html directory for each user on the system, but probably I would give each user a directory under some web root instead, so that the webserver wouldn't need to look into /usr/home/ 12:00:13 'pkg version -vRL=' gives 'drm-61-kmod-6.1.128.1403000_5 > succeeds remote (remote has 6.1.128.1402000_5)' 12:00:29 But 'pkg search drm-61-kmod' gives 'drm-61-kmod-6.1.128.1403000_5' 12:01:17 So, is pkg version not usin the kmods repo? 13:59:05 I set 'priority: 10' on the FreeBSD-kmods repo, that seems to work. Should tidy up the weekly mail. 22:38:51 f1c4c3daccbaf3820f0e2224de53df12fc952fcc introduced a filename with a space to head. 22:59:12 wtf 23:00:24 My life is ruined. 23:07:09 well why include a space it's never necessary 23:07:46 It is from an import. tests in MIT kerberos. 23:24:48 well, I would say, that software shouldn't have problems with spaces in filenames, but I know that make has them anyway and many sh dialects make proper handling of spaces in filenames annoying 23:29:39 can't the test's filename be changed to strip the whitespace? 23:48:08 Looks like the offending file is only pulled in via shell glob anyway. That would make it trivial.