10:29:08 hello 10:29:55 I'll have to integrate freebsd servers with a HPE MSA (HBA based) 10:30:54 if I have a dual path (2xHBA cards in each server) what should I do on the FreeBSD side for high availability? 10:32:50 is it enough to use gmultipath? 13:36:43 hi, I created a 14.2 jail and installed linux-c7, now I need to install the package linux-c7-jpeg, but it doesn't exists. It seems to have existed on older versions, but apparently not on 14.2, is there a way to install it? 13:42:45 martinrame: If I'm reading this commit right it was removed at least in ports... 13:42:46 https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/commit/?id=9f01990eb5d85d2e27866f9be02b75f7fab0cd33 13:43:05 Not sure if that would've impacted 14.2 13:43:37 Mmmm, I started installing linux-c7 because I need wkhtmltopdf, I'll try with debian linuxulator 13:44:29 Looks like it was removed back in April 13:45:06 ahh its been moved 13:45:20 Tenkawa: moved to where? 13:45:22 re-moved, some might say :D 13:45:29 +graphics/linux-c7-jpeg|graphics/linux-c7-imageformats-libs|2025-04-21|Merged into imageformats-libs 13:48:21 great!, installed, now I need libXrender.so.1 13:48:41 Yep.. there it was 13:48:42 pkg provides libjpeg | grep c7 13:48:42 Name : linux-c7-imageformats-libs-1 13:48:44 heh 13:49:27 yes!, pkg install pkg install linux-c7-xorg-libs 13:53:05 if I chroot to /compat/linux I can run wkhtmltopdf without issues (at least it doesn't crash), but how can I run it from the freebsd root? 13:53:22 I'm getting: ELF interpreter /lib64/ld-linux-x86-64.so.2 not found, error 2 13:53:49 I have service linux start(ed) 13:57:00 ohh that is so weird martinrame, i am having the same issue with trying to get brave working 13:57:29 and you also have the ld-linux-x86 in the "approrpaite" location in the /compat/linux but without chroot it does not work.. 13:57:39 is where my position is and have yet to find a solution, myself 13:57:47 let me see, I remember having posted something related on the FreeBSD forums 13:58:53 This: https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/dbeaver-under-ubuntu-compatibility.95983/#post-683798 13:59:05 But that's for ubuntu compat, not linux-c7 14:02:51 Once this compile I'm working on finishes.. linux emu will be next and I'll see if I run into the same.. 14:03:16 It might be a while though... running a fairly big set of builds 14:23:00 thanks martinrame , i will have to walk through these.. the linux-browser-installer looks to do something similar.. but something is "off" and i have yet to figure out 14:23:55 I think I know whats going on but I need to test it 14:25:52 Unfortunately this LLVM compile will take a while... 14:59:57 everyone tinkering. I love it 15:01:04 scoobybejesus_tl: of course... now that I found an arm64 machine with actual decent power that runs well.... It is time to play.... 15:11:50 Tenkawa: What is the arm64 machine you found that is decent? 15:12:14 * TommyC is also curious 15:15:01 Its the Radxa Orion-O6 15:15:30 Its the first higher end ARM64 I'm actually pleased with. 15:16:26 Its a 12 core box that just came out.. built around trying for ACPI/UEFI compliance 15:17:03 It can use both ACPI or DT but it works much better in ACPI mode. 15:17:10 Freaky: what's your uplink 15:22:56 ~$200 - $300 (USD) range 15:22:59 not too shabbeh 15:23:46 I was lucky... my local Microcenter had a few and couldn't sell them... I got them discounted lol 15:24:22 You got any extras? :3 15:24:46 Haahaa no.. 1 is a dedicated Linux build server 1 is for FeeBSD 15:25:07 er FreeBSD 15:28:39 Tenkawa: cross compile or is there an arm64 (Linux) distro you're building for? 15:29:44 Everything I do with these is for arm... I have a x86_64 server for that native work. 15:30:53 Its a 16 thread so it is sufficient for anything I need in that space... 16:37:16 Which distributed compiler system is recommended nowadays in FreeBSD? I've been using both distcc and icecc in Linux however have no insight what is recommended for the BSD world currently. 16:41:36 i've used distcc on freebsd but it was quit a while ago now 16:43:41 I thought I might start with it and see if it does ok.. I'm thinking at some point I might convert my second O6 to FreeBSD and add it to my compiler pool... 16:43:58 So that's why I am pondering. 16:44:36 The one unit is working great... 2 would be very interesting to try... 16:55:51 these days most cores seem fast enough to not need to fuck around with that 16:58:42 haahaa.. 16:59:07 but you can never have "too many" can you? 16:59:44 you did you say it was for arm cores? that could make sense 16:59:45 my current LLVM compile could certainly use a few more 16:59:53 but it also depends on what you're building i guess 17:00:21 10239 src files takes forever on most things.... 17:01:36 so i keep seeing the debate on pkgbase 17:01:44 anyone have a link to a complete design document on pkgbase? 17:05:36 https://wiki.freebsd.org/PkgBase but i feel this isn't complete 17:10:37 Some of it needs to be reworked into phased steps with prereqs in my opinion reading it... (There's too many assumptions and potential for missed steps) 17:11:28 yolo-ops 17:12:18 what bothers me is things like package signing and updates aren't addressed at all yet 17:12:33 and... this really should be a separate command that only impacts the freebsd core system 17:12:42 i can appreciate they don't want to maintain 2 kinds of build tools 17:13:19 Yeah I notice that the unresolved issues section is quite large 17:14:40 they're not signed? 17:14:52 what's the worst that could happen! 17:15:15 rtprio: I don't even wamt to think of that lol 17:15:32 s/wamt.want 17:15:43 the rest of the packages aren't signed either so :shrug: 17:15:55 all packages are signed, both ports and pkgbase 17:16:13 oh good 17:17:15 and pkgbase already has built-in support for updates, all re@ has to do is update the source, run make update-packages and put the new packages wherever they like 17:18:16 yeah, not sure what's going on there; pkgbase signing has been a thing for years, and the official packages have been signed since they were started afaik 17:18:46 then the list of issues on the wiki is out of date 17:18:55 that's why i asked if there was a better design document somewhere 17:18:56 wiki pages frequently are 17:19:03 not really, unfortunately 17:19:30 * kevans looks at the wiki page, since he hasn't pulled it up since someone removed the helpful diff invocation to find new packages 17:20:00 if pkgbase has all the same features as the current installer and updater, plus it gets to use pkg, sounds great. but still should be a separate command 17:20:06 pkg signing isn't necessarily the same as pkgbase though is it? 17:20:18 Tenkawa: what is the difference? 17:20:39 'pkgbase' is the name of the project, update-packages/packages produce repositories 17:20:54 those repositories can be signed just like any other normal pkg repo 17:21:39 That's why I ask... does it "use" the already existing mechanisms to read/use the pkgs? 17:21:54 Demosthenex: there is no need for a separate command. this only came up because someone was surprised that asking pkg to delete all packages, deletes all package. this can be fixed with a trivial update to fix which i will suggest to bapt when he returns 17:21:55 yeah, they're more or less normal pkg pkgs 17:22:14 base pkgs are slightly different in that their config files are tagged as such so that pkg can do a three-way merge on upgrades 17:22:14 s/to fix/to pkg 17:22:50 Ah ok.. then yeah I agree they should be the same as well... This implied something a bit diff 17:22:51 pkgbase replaces: 17:22:51 .txz distribution sets, which are used for installation of the OS with bsdinstall(8) 17:23:30 That made me think there might be actual file changes that could change core details 17:24:17 the files are identical, the packages are built by running 'make installworld'* and then putting the installed files into packages instead of a single big tar.xz files (* actually make stageworld, but that's basically the same thing) 17:24:32 ivy: i value the strong separation between os and third party packages. 17:24:45 Demosthenex: same 17:24:56 if i do a pkg upgrade, does it do the OS or pkgs, or both? 17:25:01 i don't see both as a feature 17:25:17 Demosthenex: depends what you ask it to do. if you want to upgrade only the OS, use pkg upgrade -r base 17:25:23 even if pkgbase was just a hardlink to pkg, and pkg detected it's name and only worked on the OS, that's fine 17:25:57 i really do get that pkg can do these things, i just don't want comingling or accidental inclusion 17:26:13 and adding a flag i didn't have to use before, changes the way the command is used 17:26:32 so, if i do pkg upgrade, it does both? or just base? or just pkgs? 17:26:46 you need one tool that handles both, otherwise you'll have to manually install the base package libraries for every port you install, which gets boring very quickly (i know this as it used to work like this, there were no dependencies from ports to base) 17:27:16 i don't argue that pkg install a port could import a dependency from base 17:27:18 that's fine 17:29:12 i don't mind the idea that pkg maintains both. i'd just suggest we need to keep tooling with the separation 17:29:25 if the pkgbase tool only manages system packages, with identical flags to pkg, that sounds great 17:29:36 pkgbase upgrade: cool, upgrade the base system 17:30:27 that way the scope of pkg upgrade doesn't change, to include things in the base system it didn't do before 17:30:43 and something like pkgbase upgrade-all could include pkgs 17:57:10 I get the sense that changes are coming to how pkg is used or is perceived to function. I just hope POLA is weighed heavily. 19:17:00 Hi! I can't register on freebsd forum, button "register" do nothing! Have tried firefox, chrome, linux, android. Is there any fix? 19:20:48 The problem is recapture not enabled, how to fix it? 19:20:58 kserg: Do you have javascript allowed? Also, are you waiting to recommended time (countdown) on the registration page? 19:21:15 kserg: Sounds like you just need to allow javascript. 19:21:16 kserg: works for me in safari 19:21:19 and firefox 19:21:33 yes, js is allowed 19:21:45 Looks fine to me as well. 19:22:07 kserg: you've prolly got extensions, pi-hole or some other thing that is filtering/blocking stuff on you 19:23:26 I see the "This site key is not enabled for the invisible captcha." on right bottom corner 19:23:54 on every browser i have 19:24:27 i click register, i see a new windowish thing pop up with a countdown timer and fields for input 19:24:36 you or your network is doing something to you 19:25:01 i have tried VPN, the picture is the same 19:25:11 wats may be the problem? 19:25:16 15.22 < zi> kserg: you've prolly got extensions, pi-hole or some other thing that is filtering/blocking stuff on you 19:25:22 15.25 < zi> 15.22 < zi> kserg: you've prolly got extensions, pi-hole or some other thing that is filtering/blocking stuff on you 19:25:55 how to find this extensions? 19:27:53 not sure if trolling or not 19:27:54 heh 19:28:37 Yeah. Hard to tell. 19:30:24 Actually its giving me problems too 19:31:17 I'm trying to re-sign up since I haven't used my old account in years and its just hanging on Register 19:31:20 have upload the screen https://ibb.co/PsWVJYrb 19:31:41 Both Chrome and Safari acting up here 19:31:52 i have reinstall firefox too 19:31:58 yeah thats what its doing here 19:32:05 Ah. I see it now. Misconfigured invisible reCaptcha. 19:32:18 zi: besides that window there's an error in the bottom right corner 19:32:27 is it possible to fix? 19:32:53 paywall 19:32:57 I saw that but I only have like 1/4 of the window so I got about 5 letters lol 19:33:17 Likely a bad or expired key or something. 19:33:22 mzar: Its not a paywall here I gurantee you... 19:33:33 i have the same, but resize the window and scroll it to the right 19:33:35 Use the "Contact Us" link at the bottom of the page to let them know. That's an error on their end. 19:33:55 it also doen not work 19:34:10 also because of recapture 19:34:28 This is something with the site... 19:34:33 & recapture 19:34:58 oh did they rebrand reCaptcha 19:36:25 I do know that Google is slowly migrating all Captcha stuff to their GCP console thingamajigger. That might be playing a part. 19:36:38 https://www.freebsd.org/administration/#t-forum-admins 19:36:39 Oh fun.. 19:37:08 ek: This is giving me flashbacks I don't want to think about.... 19:37:27 so the contact email is forum-admins@ 19:38:00 That'll be your best bet. 19:38:24 excellent idea! 19:38:31 thanks, i will try 19:39:18 Watch FBSD's mail server reject the @gmail.com DKIM signature. Haha 19:39:19 kserg: to avoid spamming them let me know when you hear back if I'm online here. 19:39:40 I don't want to dupe send them the same breakage... 19:40:02 ok 19:40:08 Thanks 20:00:14 What is the 'vdso' line?: https://bpa.st/V4IA 20:02:03 CrtxReavr: Virtual Dynamic. 20:02:27 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VDSO 20:03:32 Interesting. 20:13:27 'Specially because that binary is this tool: https://www.fourmilab.ch/random/ 20:13:45 Which I had to port & compile myself. 20:22:03 CrtxReavr: The math/ent port wouldn't work? 20:22:07 CrtxReavr: John Walker is a legend 20:22:19 too bad he died recently 20:25:01 Well. . . I guess I was un-aware it was in ports. 20:28:22 CrtxReavr: Ehh... It happens. 20:36:11 Though it was easy to port. 20:36:50 sed -i'' -e 's/gcc/clang/' Makefile 20:53:13 Yeah. It's a pretty simply program.