00:04:07 what do they not do that you'd add if you had time? 00:08:43 kerneldove: literally anything 00:08:53 like, what do you think you gain from svcj as currently implemented? 00:09:41 sure, a process in an svcj is running in a jail, but it can still edit /root/.shrc and install bad code next time you log in 00:10:58 fucking git: 00:10:58 2!tansy ~/src/bsd/gcc [lf/dev/krb5-gcc]% git switch main 00:10:59 fatal: 'main' is already used by worktree at '/home/ivy/src/bsd/main' 00:11:11 yes, i know it's already used, i want two worktrees on the same branch... 00:11:29 ah ya that's not good 00:45:07 is it good practice for each jail to also have a dedicated user so it can be ssh'd into? 00:45:48 that's up to you, you can connect to any jail from the host using jexec so there's no need for ssh at all 00:48:12 ya that's true 00:48:21 ty 00:49:12 i've set up vnet thick jails on zfs. now i wanna try setting up thin jails on zfs reusing the base system's files and no vnet. any advice? 00:49:29 (i read the whole handbook chapter and man pages ofc) 02:06:10 how is the gcc build broken today? 02:06:19 {standard input}: Assembler messages: 02:06:19 {standard input}:157450: Warning: end of file not at end of a line; newline inserted 02:06:22 {standard input}:159036: Error: number of operands mismatch for `lea' 02:06:25 {standard input}: Error: open CFI at the end of file; missing .cfi_endproc directive 02:06:28 x86_64-unknown-freebsd15.0-g++14: fatal error: Killed signal terminated program cc1plus 02:06:58 fun new kernel message: pid 83878 (cc1plus), jid 0, uid 1001, was killed: a thread waited too long to allocate a page 10:24:10 i got an empty 14.3 vm now time to figure out how to make a thin jail 12:03:28 hello, anyone have experience using xrdp and the startwm.sh in their local directory? I am following some instructions, that if i create a startwm.sh in my home directory.. and remote into it, it should load the program for X11.. but when I login i just get a black screen 12:04:02 if i remove the ~/startwm.sh it goes to /usr/local/etc/xrdp/startwm.sh and runs the exec xterm command.. and the comments says.. to make a ~/startwm.sh to load your environment 12:40:17 voy4g3r2: what is your ~/startwm.sh doing? 13:08:52 mason: what's #bsdmips? 13:10:15 I'd suspect one's own customizations, but. . . seems kinda whack - a ~/.twm/conf would seem like a better idea. 13:17:50 pertho: an irc channel on EFnet 13:26:16 * CrtxReavr senses a bunch of old NetBSD users running boxes that no one else wants. 13:52:53 SKull: just exec startxfce4 13:53:14 i saw what was in /usr/local/etc/xrdp/startwm.sh and found the one i want.. which denotes how to override it 13:54:06 if i delete the ~/startwm.sh i KNOW the default works.. because i just get a xterm window.. introduce the local copy.. and nothing.. black screen 13:54:48 It's been a few years since I ran a FreeBSD workstation, but when I did, my prefered way was to launch my preferred login manager via the ttyv8 line in /etc/ttys. 13:55:57 Some DEs have their own, but there's an xdm syntax example in the default file. 13:56:17 https://www.jeremymorgan.com/tutorials/freebsd/how-to-remote-desktop-in-freebsd/ 13:56:27 yeah.. this is what i was following before i asked the question here 13:57:33 well, a local tty doesn't help for xrdp which is likely done to have a xserver to connect to from somewhere remote 13:58:01 yeah - I didn't grasp the full context from the last several lines - my bad. 13:58:09 all good CrtxReavr 13:59:01 i will keep at it and look at some more man pages.. just felt like i was going in circle.. as the etc file says make a startwm.sh :) 13:59:06 I will say though, when pushing X11 over ssh, play with the 'ssh -C' option (compression) it may or may not make things better for you. 14:00:31 yeah.. i am using the windows app on mac.. i have used SSH and X11 forwarding but the clipboard and my use of applications has grown.. so trying to just do this xrdp thing 14:00:52 windows app == rdp client 14:04:13 pertho: @bsdmips is probably the most active place FreeBSD committers appear. 14:04:22 Rather, #bsdmips, on EFnet. 14:04:41 More so than #bsdcode you think? 15:01:32 rabbit holes: FreeBSD KASAN.. beautiful work: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwwSdQi0NUI 15:13:56 CrtxReavr: Unsure. I left #bsdcode because it seemed less populated/less active, so I haven't seen it for a while. 15:14:22 I'll rejoin so I can re-form an opinion. 15:20:37 EFnet is a mere shadow of its former self, sadly. 15:21:07 I'm still in a bunch of channels there, but it's almost entirely for social reasons. 15:21:58 I guess people really do like nanny-IRC. . . nickserv, chanserv, etc. 15:44:15 uh, i seem to recall nearly every irc network having those sorts of services 15:44:28 otherwise they're just taken over by k1ds and bots and then goes offline 16:16:19 rtprio, EFnet does not. 16:16:49 It takes dedication and often bots to hold a channel. 16:17:10 I think EFnet, prior to channel timestamping was probably the most fun I've ever had on the internet. 16:25:07 hi, would anyone happen to know why each of the three samba 4.20 smbd processes are allocating like VSZ=330MB RSS=590MB with a blank config file? it didn't use to be like this. I checked ubuntu 4,19.5 and it has VSZ=90MB, RSS=26MB, 6MB and 6MB, like it should be. I have no idea how to figure this out by myself. 18:46:28 hrm.. when you install xfce4, it does not add the package xfce4-session 18:46:32 that was a rabbithole... 18:48:20 and without the xfce4-session package.. you do not have startxfce4 which is required to be able to get xfce running in a xrdp setup exec startxfce4 18:49:53 voy4g3r2: It's a run depends on xfce4 so it should. 18:50:11 Wonder if the repo is missing it due to "reasons" 18:53:29 yeah, i am not sure how to confirm/deny that.. i was trying to get xfce4 running through xrdp and trying multiple "ways".. just did the where is the file startxfce4 created and i got pointed to the xfce4-session which was NOT installed when i installed everything else 18:54:33 metaports get packages? 18:57:41 does not look like xfce4 is dependent on it.. only xfce4-conf 18:59:17 oh it's named xfce not xfce4. 18:59:45 pkg install xfce pulls in xfce4-session 18:59:50 hahah 18:59:58 so idiot error in front of keyboard 19:01:32 x11-wm/xfce4 is the port, xfce is the PORTNAME. 19:02:31 I think from my exp. with xfce is that there's still more to install even with xfce. 19:02:44 At least for a fuller xfce desktop. 19:05:18 * CrtxReavr has long wondered why the ports subdirectories aren't part of the port/pkg names. 19:06:22 Yes, just because you tell it to install xfce, doesn't mean you need an X server. 19:07:37 Well if xrdp is isntall then you got one. 19:08:32 But I install xfce in a jail to test... xrdp and I recall there were something that didn't seem to work right with out installing some extra xfce4 packages. I have 55 installed vs the ~10? that xfce would pull in. 19:34:36 agree... 19:34:46 i have this all done in a jail but after that little snafu, it is working 19:35:02 as for the ports/pkg name and that stuff.. i will just chalk it up to i do not know hwat i am doing :) 19:40:00 That's normally the case even when you know what you're doing. 19:40:05 ex: work 19:41:42 oh ofcourse.. it is liberating.. i think this will work.. it either will or it won't.. in the end you get to learn somethign new 20:34:05 well looks like i got to look into fonts.. man it is too easy to add fonts in mac os 20:35:45 I think there's a meta port for those too 20:36:01 which i will probably do wrong.. like last one 20:36:25 If it's a named one you might just be able to search for it 20:36:32 otherwise install xorg-fotns 20:36:35 fonts even 20:36:50 Lig SFMono Nerd Font 20:37:06 pkg install nerd-fonts ? 20:37:31 well here we go.. a gig download, thanks! 20:37:32 haha 20:38:05 1g download 6g install 20:38:08 sorry 20:38:14 And that might not even be it. 20:38:23 we shall see :) 20:38:33 hard drive space is plentiful.. i have 5.3T free 20:38:43 and its lready done 20:39:25 just 5.3? 20:40:31 well the jail only has 530 gig free.. the other 5.3T is the zfs dataset 20:41:04 voy4g3r2: However, for newer fonts like that you can almost get them install via ~/.fonts (newer xdg location) and fc-scan fc-cache I htink 20:45:43 voy4g3r2: Pulled them from https://github.com/shaunsingh/SFMono-Nerd-Font-Ligaturized copied to ~/.fonts, fc-cache, fc-list | fgrep LigaSFMonoNerdFont 20:47:06 However, I can support the use of ligatures! 20:47:16 I can't be part of the problem 20:57:23 Disaster recovery question - I'd like to start with the 14.3-RELEASE installer on a new server, with a process to pull in a zpool root snapshot from a remote system (a previous whole system zfs backup). Is there a reference guide for these steps - I haven't found one yet? Previously, I've installed FreeBSD locally first, then manually copied the backup data. 21:14:55 PhilVuchetich: https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/zfs/#zfs-zfs-send 21:15:46 You can send and receive snapshots with that. 21:19:56 oh wow.. i got sound to work through rdp.. holy crap 21:19:59 never had that working before 21:27:11 skered: you ccan support it but not part of the problem? 21:27:19 is it you can not support it? 22:26:00 PhilVuchetich: This is the method I use: https://it-notes.dragas.net/2024/09/16/moving-freebsd-installation-new-host-vm/ 22:55:32 Thanks ek - I had seen other notes from Stefano, but I didn't see that one! 22:57:56 PhilVuchetich: Sure thing.