00:09:13 <hodapp> rwp: ehh? what state is this?
00:10:43 <hodapp> rwp: in Ohio, I can legally call myself an electrical engineer on account of having a BSEE from an accredited university; there is no separate licensure unless I want to call myself a Professional Engineer
00:13:18 <hodapp> viz. https://codes.ohio.gov/ohio-revised-code/section-4733.021
01:18:03 <rwp> hodapp, https://www.engineering.com/oregon-man-fined-for-engineering-without-a-license/
01:18:55 <rwp> hodapp, Looks like he was eventually vindicated though, https://www.forbes.com/sites/instituteforjustice/2017/04/28/do-you-need-a-license-in-engineering-to-criticize-red-light-cameras-oregon-says-yes/
01:19:54 <rwp> hodapp, https://thewashingtonstandard.com/oregon-man-fined-500-threatened-with-jail-for-criticizing-traffic-cameras-without-a-license-then-he-was-vindicated/
02:13:33 <cpet> think the US is the only country that will either fine you or allow people to sue you for whatever stupid reason possible
02:14:44 <cpet> i had a og bite me at the park after i tried to help the woner catch no each time he sees me he goes is your hand ok? can I help with your medical bills? and I just go if I wanted to sue you I would of done it on the first day not a week after
03:39:18 <SponiX> cpet: most people value themselves more than others and would have insisted that the dog be put to sleep for it
03:41:58 <cpet> i went to the VA had it numbed up and went home
03:42:05 <cpet> surely it hurt like a son of a bitch but hey
03:42:18 <cpet> dog was scared not going to punish it for it an told the owners to not do the same
03:43:05 <cpet> anyone used vm-byhyve
03:49:03 <cpet> man page says you can add a ip to the switch using -a
03:49:12 <cpet> but doesnt say if you can add more than one ?
03:50:40 <SponiX> try it and see ;)
03:51:15 <SponiX> when I do my vms I configure a bridge interface, and they pull their own IP with dhcp like a normal machine on my lan
03:52:26 <cpet> i have a /29
04:00:02 <cpet> nope
05:03:23 <cpet> SponiX: server has 3 IP
05:03:29 <cpet> s main and 2 for DNS
05:04:51 <SponiX> Debating dropping Plex in favor of Jellyfin
05:08:38 <rtprio> do it
05:09:20 <rtprio> cpet: a lot of us use vm-bhvye
05:09:28 <rtprio> what exactly are you intending?
05:19:52 <SponiX> I've only used bhyve a little bit with virt-manager
08:12:32 <quickrr> if you jail 14.1 (for a reason), can you do pkg -j using 14.1 install?
10:48:14 <scottpedia> is there a freebsd maintainer in here at the moment?
11:30:01 <hodapp> rwp: that, too, is specific to roles of a PE pertaining to public works, not to "engineering" in general
11:33:26 <hodapp> this isn't to say that fining him was valid, but that this was the domain he was in
14:52:47 <zilti> Is there somewhere a guide or something on how to set up wireguard on FreeBSD, both for clients and servers? I did set it up today, it worked - then I rebooted, and now no matter what I do, it won't work anymore.
15:29:01 <mccd> Heya, does proj-laptop include any work to improve battery life?
15:43:43 <kevans> mccd: there's some work included for better handling p/e cores
15:44:17 <kevans> sleep state stuff, too
15:44:51 <kevans> i guess p/e core stuff wouldn'tn ecessarily help with battery life, just other performance
15:45:15 <ivy> if it can schedule low-throughput processes onto E cores i'd expect that to help battery life
15:46:35 <kevans> yeah, I guess OlCe's comment here also alludes to another strategy: https://github.com/FreeBSDFoundation/proj-laptop/issues/22#issuecomment-2586485132 -- preferring E cores in general if the policy is to conserve battery
15:47:40 <kevans> aa lot of this was blocked on the recent runq changes that landed, iirc, so maybe more progress on this Soon(TM)
15:47:44 <zilti> Ah. Got it to work again. And noticed it breaks BastilleBSD. Oh well. Time to work out a patch I suppose.
15:48:39 <mccd> Nice, okay that's awesome
15:49:45 <ivy> kevans: ah, i wondered what the purpose of the runq changes was as it seemed like a lot of work for little immediate benefit
15:49:50 <ivy> makes sense if it's for this
15:53:47 <kevans> hmm, I think I misremembered
15:53:59 <kevans> https://reviews.freebsd.org/D45393 would seem to point at this being largely orthogonal, it just touches the same bits and had already started
15:54:57 <kevans> this one was just sorting out priority levels
15:55:12 <kevans> 'just'
19:09:09 <hernan604> whats the recommended way to create swap after the os is installed ?
19:09:36 <hernan604> create a swap file and use a @reboot to swapon on boot ?
19:31:03 <mason> hernan604: I'd back up any unique data and reinstall, myself. I really like swap partitions.
19:45:32 <CrypticSquared> https://www.theregister.com/2025/06/20/netflix_apple_bofa_websites_hijacked/
19:47:40 <CrypticSquared> woops wrong chan
20:04:03 <hwpplayer1> hey there !
20:04:29 <hwpplayer1> I want to learn the licensing policy of FreeBSD package management and repository
20:04:51 <hwpplayer1> I want to choose AGPLv3-or-later and BSD-3-Clause for my app and service
20:04:56 <hwpplayer1> is it possible
20:04:58 <hwpplayer1> Thanks
20:06:34 <hwpplayer1> Emacs is an example for me which is both on BSDs and other systems
20:10:54 <hwpplayer1> okay I learned thatnk
20:10:56 <hwpplayer1> thanks
20:11:00 <rtprio> you can choose whatever license you want, not sure what this has to do with freebsd
20:11:10 <duncan> emacs has a single license regardless of platform, GPLv3
20:12:02 <hwpplayer1> okay
20:12:04 <hwpplayer1> Thanks
20:13:05 <DaliborFox> hwpplayer1: Also, the philosophy of the two licenses you listed is quite starkly different, with the AGPL being quite strict on conditions of how the code must be distributed, and BSD-3 being very relaxed in this regard
20:13:28 <hwpplayer1> I know the difference
20:13:42 <hwpplayer1> Copyleft is more restricted
20:14:07 <hwpplayer1> My perspective is not limited with BSDs
20:14:24 <hwpplayer1> I think to make cross platform app for both MacOS and Windows
20:14:31 <hwpplayer1> which is why I asked you first
20:15:14 <hwpplayer1> My trust is closer to BSD people rather than Apple
20:15:18 <hwpplayer1> or MS
20:15:34 <DaliborFox> As for FreeBSD, I think your personal choice of license would only really matter if you wanted to make it a core part of the FreeBSD system.  However, you most likely want to distribute it as a port instead, and those can have any license, even proprietary
20:16:19 <hwpplayer1> I'm not talking for the core FreeBSD contribution
20:16:37 <hwpplayer1> If I contribute to FreeBSD I don't choose any different license
20:16:52 <hwpplayer1> I'm planning my own apps and services and also framework/tookit etc
20:16:54 <DaliborFox> Yup, in which case, you're free to select the license that fits your world views the best :)  (re: not core FreeBSD contribution)
20:17:11 <hwpplayer1> yeah I got it
20:17:18 <hwpplayer1> Thanks all
20:18:38 <Schamschula> From the point of view of a MacPorts maintainer, the BSD license is preferred.
20:19:26 <hwpplayer1> I see
20:20:00 <hwpplayer1> Thanks again :)
20:21:20 <hwpplayer1> How does the 3rd clause is applied in real world / BSD-3 clause license
20:21:58 <hwpplayer1> If I publish an app, and some person takes the source. he/she/they must ask me before promotion ?
20:25:50 <hwpplayer1> okay I learned
20:25:53 <hwpplayer1> Thanks again
20:27:49 <rtprio> not usually
20:28:03 <rtprio> i feel like there are better places to chat about licensing your software
20:28:36 <hwpplayer1> okay
20:28:51 <hwpplayer1> thanks for your kindness, understanding
20:29:04 <hwpplayer1> I got my answers from you
23:56:37 <rtprio> any idea why i can curl a remote url on one freebsd system, and can't on another that's on the same network
23:57:20 <rtprio> curl: (7) Failed to connect to cdn.masto.host port 443 after 3 ms: Could not connect to server
23:57:57 <rtprio> $ traceroute cdn.masto.host
23:57:58 <rtprio> traceroute: findsaddr: failed to connect to peer for src addr selection.
23:58:05 <rtprio> what does that even mean