01:34:21 Why would the serial console be nonfunctional during boot-up? 01:43:28 Conker: define nonfunctional and boot-up 01:50:09 kevans: I see the mobo POST output on both serial console and a monitor, but when prompted for the GELI passphrase, the console goes blank and is only visible on the monitor. 01:50:44 UEFI? 01:54:41 kevans: no 02:06:11 After using an attached keyboard to enter the passphrase, the serial console starts showing the remainder of the boot process eventually landing at a "login:" prompt. But not during that GELI step 02:08:07 Conker: for BIOS, the GELI passphrase comes before we hit loader out of necessity, so we're in a pretty limited environment and don't do console probing 02:11:59 (the situation is probably better on UEFI, where we have the whole-ass loader on the ESP and start there) 02:16:06 kevans: I see. So I'd need to reinstall. The drive is formated GPT, but I don't imagine it's possible to convert an existing install, given the boot part looks to be 512K 02:17:47 Conker: depends on the layout of the disk, traditionally we ask for >= 200M ESP but that ESP doesn't have to be at the beginning of the disk 02:18:47 i've seen a few instances where folks decided they could happily slice off 200M of swap and still be happy on average 02:19:15 kevans: And there is a 4G swap I could make smaller, hmm, might be worth more trouble than a reinstall but I might try it 02:20:36 *nod* in the general case, if losing 5% of your swap is critically bad then I suspect you have larger problems than this, I think 02:23:41 kevans: Fair, yeah. Okay I'll get things switched to UEFI and hopefully that settles the matter. Thanks! 02:24:02 Conker: sounds good, let us know how it goes 02:25:22 will do! 02:28:37 that's extremely annoying: if you don't set inet_protocols in /usr/local/etc/postfix/main.cf, the package edits it to force "inet_protocols = ipv4" 04:34:49 i wonder if there's some way we could've made the template # a bitmask and done combinations that way 04:35:06 Rhat’s exactly what i’d initially guessed when i saw it. 04:35:21 But it would make testing more of a pain. 06:58:16 there any prob having a single binary using 100GB ram if my system has it? 07:08:54 demido: I don't see why it would pose a problem 07:09:36 nice 13:11:23 Heya, is there any tool to see file history across zfs snapshots for a given file? 13:13:42 mccd: zfs diff, most likely? 13:15:01 cyric afaik zfs diff only shows that a file has been modified, not what actually changed 14:10:18 :q 14:42:21 Hi! I have two GPT partitions, one containing an unencrypted zpool (for rescue purposes if the other zpool gets broken) and another containing a zfs-nativeencrypted zpool. I want to choose, at boot time, which of these zpools to boot. What's the recommended way to accomplishh it? 14:42:45 Btw, my computer is a BIOS-one, not a UEFI-one. 15:02:57 Or, is it only possible to dual-boot two freebsd installatoins if the reside in the same pool? 15:36:32 fetchmail 15:36:53 *u** ;) 15:38:46 andreas303: i do not know if that's a supported loader configuration 15:39:58 rtprio: Ah, OK. I will probably put both systems in the same pool then, and use bectl to dual-boot different datasets. 15:40:34 yeah, managing them as two separate boot environments would be cleanest 15:40:47 you *can* do the other way, but it requires more tricks at boot time 15:50:39 so if i wanted to boot freebsd in bhyve without a root filesystem, can i make it somehow run the loader on the host? i guess this is what bhyveload is for... 15:52:00 not sure how far that would get with a loader and no kernel 15:52:39 question was unclear, i mean it has no root block device (for EDK II to boot from), the root filesystem is 9pfs 16:14:18 ivy: yeah, that's bhyveload/userboot 17:24:02 There is a bios update for my laptop but it’s an exe what should I do to update the bios I only have FreeBSD 17:25:59 oxbar: boot into FreeDOS? 17:29:02 hodapp: I burned the freedos iso earlier but the usb isn’t recognizing it.. maybe I should download a different version 17:29:06 oxbar: sometimes they provide the update as either an image file you can load from the firmware interface, or a UEFI executable (.efi) which might be easier to use 17:29:15 Got it 17:39:19 I got a JMB585 PCIe AHCI SATA card. FreeBSD detects it: https://termbin.com/f4vi But for some reason, all five ports show up as "disabled". How do I enable them? 17:40:18 zilti: can you show dmesg part where it shows disabled ports? 17:43:13 cyric: there is none, in the dmesg the ports show up as "ahcich0: at channel 0 on ahci0" etc 17:44:29 zilti: so what is the actual problem? disabled BARs don't tell much, especially IO ones, newer cards tend to use MMIO 17:44:29 There's HDDs connected on two of the five ports 17:45:06 Hmm. So the problem is something else then, I suppose. The disks definitely don't show up. I'll check the connectors 17:45:23 ivy: you going to EuroBSDCon? 17:45:57 no 17:47:27 why not? 17:57:02 cyric: Ahh, my HDD brackets were mislabeled, so I screwed them in wrongly :D Everything works now! 17:57:24 Thanks for the nudge that it isn't the controller/freebsd 20:38:17 anyone involved in maintaining x11/gnome here? 20:39:17 Nope, I host the build systems for the testing of the KDE Plasma though 20:39:57 ok.. i'm hitting gnome@ 20:40:17 i spoke with hte new head of the gnome foundation and expressed the 'frustration' in the BSD community about their latest moves. 20:40:27 https://blogs.gnome.org/adrianvovk/2025/06/10/gnome-systemd-dependencies/ 20:40:42 he actually was very responsive.... 20:44:50 the deps are more gdm than gnome afaik 21:15:33 I feel bad for the gnome users honestly 21:16:05 I don't like Gnome at all, but not having it current as an alternative is a missed opportunity for FreeBSD imho 21:27:49 i'd say it's missed opportunity for gnome, but i doubt they really care 21:37:36 right, well they the point is hte new gnome foundation head does seem to care 21:37:42 i dont use gnome at all.... 21:37:46 xfce for decades 21:37:57 but ti's about the open source ecosystem 21:38:30 Allan directed me to the fbsd desktop alias