02:18:38 <__sbrk> ek: I have not, but I will try that
02:20:28 <__sbrk> ek: guessing echo "hint.apic.0.disabled=1" >> /boot/loader.conf will do it
02:20:33 <__sbrk> looking at the manpage
02:33:50 <mns> ˜/41
05:11:55 <ring0_starr> WHY is getting a dump on kernel panic so difficult
05:12:12 <ring0_starr> the user experience for this is not great in my opinion
05:13:14 <ring0_starr> i need to dumpon(8) to get a dump.  the device needs to be a swap device.
05:14:17 <ring0_starr> okay; no problem.  I flashed an official aarch64 SD card image which seems to be resized to the size of the entire MMC disk, right?
05:15:38 <ring0_starr> so I just need to shrink the rootfs partition or whatever, make a swapfs partition, swapon(8) it, then dumpon(8) it.
05:16:05 <ring0_starr> after all, swapinfo shows no swapfs spaces so I'd need to make one
05:16:25 <ring0_starr> so okay, I gpart show to get started with the disk operation.
05:16:56 <ring0_starr> what's this on mmcsd0p3?  a freebsd-swap type part?
05:18:28 <ring0_starr> where did this come from?  why did i not know about it?  why isn't this swapon'd on startup?  WHY do i need to go through this just to get a crash dump?  I get a minidump in Windows by default, and I can get a full memory dump by just clicking through three dialog boxes in the control panel.
05:18:46 <ring0_starr> Linux, I don't even want to speculate on
05:21:14 <ring0_starr> Linux is a disaster zone and FreeBSD is a cathedral that has a centralized official configuration UI, that is bsdconfig(8), equivalent to HP-UX sam and AIX smitty
05:21:44 <ring0_starr> I would be able to configure **stuff like this** in those config utilities, but I get nothing of the sort in bsdconfig.
05:22:01 <ring0_starr> Come on man
05:56:36 <mason> TIL FreeBSD ships root-on-ZFS VM images.
06:34:37 <SamuelMarks> hi
06:35:27 <SamuelMarks> How do I set a global variable for /bin/sh on FreeBSD? - I've tried adding `export FOO=5` to /etc/profile but that inconsistently works… on Linux I just use /etc/environment
06:36:46 * SamuelMarks is going to try https://unix.stackexchange.com/a/362771
06:39:06 <ring0_starr> I've had a lot of issues with the same thing in Linux as well FWIW.
06:39:32 <ring0_starr> Debian in particular does something screwy with /etc/profile and .profiles
06:39:53 <SamuelMarks> arghh
06:39:54 <SamuelMarks> it's rough
06:40:14 <ring0_starr> I think you need to "source blah.sh where export FOO=5 is in this script
06:40:22 <SamuelMarks> When I `vagrant ssh` and then run `env` I see the var in my FreeBSD box. When I run `vagrant ssh -c 'env'` I don't see it
06:40:33 <ring0_starr> I don't understand why you need "source" in the first place.  Is this a bash only thing?
06:40:51 <SamuelMarks> I guess /etc/profile isn't always sourced?
06:41:06 <ring0_starr> I don't know
06:41:27 <ring0_starr> In a sane world, you'd be able to see if that's the case or not in the manpage
06:41:35 <ring0_starr> Documentation is at an all-time low right now
06:41:43 <SamuelMarks> hmmmmmm
06:42:10 <ring0_starr> I was complaining about FreeBSD kernel crash dumps being user-unfriendly
06:42:29 <ring0_starr> but it's really an epidemic with every OS right now
06:42:53 <ring0_starr> UIs being insanely bad and incomplete, overcomplicated, poor UX
06:42:58 <SamuelMarks> Latest: `vagrant ssh <<< 'env'` works and `vagrant ssh -c 'env'` fails
06:43:22 <megaTherion> ring0_starr: get an mac :)
06:43:32 <ring0_starr> Why is it that everybody in tech acts like this is all a-okay
06:43:44 <ring0_starr> I would never work for apple
06:43:55 <megaTherion> I didnt say you should work for that company :D
06:44:22 <ring0_starr> That company was much better when Steve Wozniac and those types of people were on charge
06:44:23 <megaTherion> (I wouldnt bother though, money is good)
06:44:31 <ring0_starr> s/on/in/
06:44:43 <megaTherion> you seem to be an ideology guy
06:44:58 <ring0_starr> What's that supposed to mean
06:45:18 <megaTherion> you care more for ideology than being pragmatic
06:45:22 <megaTherion> people are very different
06:45:29 <ring0_starr> Being ideological is pragmatic at this stage
06:45:34 <megaTherion> nope
06:45:43 <ring0_starr> There is far too much rot and you need to rethink the entire thing instead of building on top of more garbage
06:45:50 <megaTherion> pragmatic is just, you take the stuff which works regardless of who has it designed, invented etc.
06:45:52 <ring0_starr> At some point people went wrong
06:46:08 <megaTherion> mac os works to me but I work with all OS'... FreeBSD included, depends on the use case
06:46:39 <ring0_starr> Why TF are the most advanced operating systems so difficult to use
06:46:55 <ring0_starr> It's like you're making unix into a rube goldberg machine
06:47:24 <megaTherion> you dont want to work with UNIX
06:48:11 <megaTherion> I think the only official one which still is alive is AIX? not sure if IBM still uses that
06:48:16 <ring0_starr> Ken Thompson, Dennis Ritchie, etc. are too old to get mad about this shit
06:48:42 <ring0_starr> but I bet they'd be an angry yelling old man like i am right now
06:49:02 <megaTherion> Ritchie is dead already
06:49:08 <ring0_starr> Exactly
06:49:17 <ring0_starr> Oh you're megaTherion the C++ fanboy guy
06:49:22 <megaTherion> time moves forward you know :)
06:49:28 <megaTherion> Im not a fanboy of anything
06:49:36 <megaTherion> I just use staff to get my work done, earn money etc.
06:49:40 <megaTherion> I even use Java
06:49:46 <ring0_starr> Years or decades ago you used to come to #C and #C++ and argue about OOP
06:49:58 <megaTherion> sure but I gave up on that...
06:50:06 <megaTherion> people arent worth my time any longer
06:50:16 <megaTherion> especially OSS people or people from *somewhere
06:50:27 <ring0_starr> I have mentally labeled you forever as the C++ fanboy arguing guy
06:50:31 <ring0_starr> Sorry
06:50:35 <megaTherion> I dont care :)
06:51:01 <SamuelMarks> darn tried setting FOO=5 in /etc/profile /usr/share/skel/dot.profile $HOME/.shrc but it still isn't appearing in `vagrant ssh -c env`
06:51:18 <megaTherion> dont worry Im not often in here, I quit IRC long time ago... I just chirp in like in a 2-3 years interval
07:06:15 <SamuelMarks> Ok I've added a question to the forum can a moderator approve my post? - https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/how-do-i-set-global-env-vars-tried-etc-profile-usr-share-skel-dot-profile-home-shrc.97797/ - thanks
07:39:53 <ring0_starr> megaTherion:  IIRC you're from Germany, right?
07:40:19 <ring0_starr> There was another german on #C, mauke
07:41:13 <ring0_starr> He banned me because he thought I got the third declention in Latin wrong on the word "virus".
07:41:45 <ring0_starr> And then he unbanned me when I proved I was correct
07:41:58 <ring0_starr> I don't get people.
08:01:42 <nimaje> hm, SamuelMarks left already, if he returns tell him, that   vagrant ssh -c 'env'   does the sensible thing of not using /bin/sh anywhere and what he is searching is a way to set env variables on login which is what login.conf provides
08:04:25 <nimaje> oh, or put that on his forum post, I don't have an account there
08:05:22 <megaTherion> ring0_starr: yes Im from germany
08:05:56 <megaTherion> ya IRC community has destroyed themselfs, I dont care... these days there is ChatGPT :D
08:06:09 <megaTherion> (and I heard a lot of people are nowadays on Discord and Matrix, but honestly I dont have the time)
08:14:32 <ring0_starr> Discord and Matrix don't have high-energy chats in them ever.  It's completely dead.  People use it as though it were a message board with all the paragraph, attachment features, etc.  rather than as a chat program
08:15:05 <ring0_starr> Forums and IRC have different energies to them and they should not be merged into one.
08:15:44 <megaTherion> though discord is basically what IRC is (yes not technically, but treated as such)
08:15:50 <megaTherion> +t
08:16:14 <ring0_starr> I see a lot of people on Discord and Slack speaking in large paragraphs to each other at a time, single line messages are kinda rare
08:16:49 <ring0_starr> There used to be like "random encounters" where you'd "catch" someone on in a certain channel at a certain time, now everybody is omnipresent everywhere all the time
08:17:01 <ring0_starr> And people end up not speaking
08:17:47 <ring0_starr> Everybody is going to turn into those "I'll just install an IRC bouncer on my router and read it every 5 years" kind of people
08:18:36 <ring0_starr> If you want slow-paced larger form chats that's what a forum is for but it's like nu-age chat programs are trying to merge that into one
08:59:02 <mns> I have podman insatlled and when I run it, as a regular user, I get the following:   "Error: cannot run command "podman machine list" as root"  Has anyone seen that?
11:52:45 <clemens3> does anyone know what licence (if any) the freebsd handbook goes by?
11:53:01 <clemens3> is it freely redistributable?
11:55:26 <ivy> clemens3: https://cgit.freebsd.org/doc/tree/COPYRIGHT i would assume
12:18:20 <clemens3> ivy, thanks, that sounds like it means the texts and documentation
12:18:55 <clemens3> nothing directly in the latest pdf, but anyway, would be logical the book is part of the os
12:37:46 <ivy> clemens3: the handbook is built from that repository, so that license applies to everything in there.  the PDF would count as 'object files'
12:53:04 <clemens3> ivy: i checked it, thanks
12:53:29 <clemens3> i just couldn't find the license in the book itself, and according to the license, i now distribute the license extra
13:23:37 <mns> ˜/43