01:32:39 [tj]: Thanks 03:51:22 Anyone know how to fix an invisible mouse cursor in xorg (KDE or XFCE both)? 07:15:36 f451: tsoome: remember my issue with zfs and mounting problem in jail? in fact you cannot mount a ZFS dataset as an unprivileged user, only root can do it 07:21:24 dh: there's no xfce4-desktop package in 14.2 p2 07:24:09 it's a bit strange to me that we have vfs.usermount, ZFS delegations, jailed dataset, etc and that only root can mount it, it takes away a bit of interest 07:25:18 also I don't see the point why you're allowed to create a dataset but not mount it, although I understand that it's different layers 07:34:53 mage would you want me to be able to mount a zfs data set of /bin 07:35:01 s/of/over/ 07:42:38 crb: if I'm in a jail and that I explicitely allow it.. why not 07:43:27 crb: I'm talking about jailed dataset only 07:44:27 with delegations I guess you can do it on the HOST anyway 07:44:53 mmmh seems docproj package is missing too 07:49:55 the ability to mount a filesystem is the ability to put binaries in a place where they will be trusted to execute, that's a security hole. Even in a jail. At least to the things in the jail 07:50:52 Posterdati: You may want to try building it from ports then 07:56:53 mage this does sound like inconsistency. probably something for developers to think about. 07:57:12 dh: yes, but I cannot install ports, seems that there are other missing packeges too, like docproj 08:18:38 i don't mean to be vague (I do mean to bevague): DAE X11 memory leak on amdgpu? 08:19:06 wayland here 08:20:26 so is @world just everything in /var/lib/portage/world? 08:20:58 i tried sway, it was the only time the mouse has ever been jumpy and sticky when not under load 08:21:32 oh crap this isn't gentoo is it 08:22:15 my freebsd installs dont have x11 or wayland :) 08:22:58 be happy you are not in this hell 08:26:43 tsoome: do you think I should open a PR ? 08:27:16 sure. 08:27:51 either you should not be able to create dataset in jail or you should be able to mount created dataset in jail. 08:28:06 that sounds logical indeed 08:28:33 and the behavior should be clearly documented. 08:30:38 in restricted environment they usually disable mount to avoid attacks with corrupted file system access, but this is not the case with zfs mount. 08:30:38 looks like there is already one https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=232021 08:31:39 huh, 11.2:D 08:32:08 ok, last comment refers to 12.2, I think it should be updated to current version;) 08:33:08 Hi there, I'm having issue with starting X at my machine. I posted in fBSD forum but haven't got any answer (https://forums.FreeBSD.org/threads/graphics-not-working-intel-gpu.97478/) 08:33:16 I wonder if anyone can help me 08:36:08 tsoome: I've added some comments 10:36:56 hello, quick question, what happened to golang packages in 14-RELEASE? none of their versions show up, fallouts show some build errors, and now a go-compiled package I use is gone 10:37:25 well, if there are build errors, that's why they aren't available.. 10:37:31 they are still available in 15 and 13 though 10:38:03 15 and 13 are built on different schedules though 10:38:07 I also went to bugs.freebsd.org but didn't find any ongoing things about it 10:38:43 also, I could build go123 on my freebsd box 10:38:49 so just wondering 10:39:43 which means I have the binaries if you need them :) 10:39:51 for x86_64, that is 10:40:52 https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-ports/2025-April/007557.html tldr there is/was some bug in -CURRENT which made builds fail, builders were rolled back to an earlier version of -CURRENT, so now it means waiting for a new build of those repos and hoping that bug was the only reason go failed to build 10:41:17 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=285963 appears to be the PR that you couldn't find 10:42:05 thanks, subbing for that one 10:42:25 i found it on the freebsd-go list on https://lists.freebsd.org :) 10:42:57 I looked for the text www/go123, hence why I didn't find it 10:43:09 sorry, lang/go123 10:43:38 interesting that wildcards don't appear to work in bugzilla 10:43:49 btw are you guys doing your freebsd-related work all voluntarily, for free? 10:46:57 well, my "freebsd-related work" is complaining when stuff is broken and sometimes providing patches, I should really look into fixing that login.conf bug I opened, not being able to use " in strings is annoying 10:49:23 > The crash from Go seems to be in the garbage collector, I cannot reproduce the issue when I disable the GC with GOGC=off. 10:49:28 this sounds pretty bad 10:51:25 definitely subbing that bug 11:03:09 (and I definitly postponed sending that patch for the netsurf port too long) 11:11:11 dh: I'm compiling it from ports :) 11:40:22 Hi there, I need help with getting graphics to work for my system 11:40:53 I have a post in freeBSD forum ـدار اإلفــتــاء املصريّة. ودُور 11:40:57 اإلفـــتـــاء فـــي الــعــالــم الــعــربــي تخضع 11:41:00 لوصاية ماليّة وعقائديّة من النظام 11:41:03 الــســعــودي (بــاســتــثــنــاء مــفــتــي ليبيا 11:41:11 https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/graphics-not-working-intel-gpu.97478/ 11:41:19 and will appreciate any help 11:43:33 sorry some rubbish were pasted by mistake, apologies 11:48:12 have you tried without any xorg config and loading i915kms before starting Xorg? 11:49:28 yes I tried without any xorg configs, and I start xorg manually after the i915kms been loaded 11:52:33 nimaje: I always get couldn't open module intel in the xorg logs 11:54:18 well, you don't want intel, you want modeset 11:55:00 Installed packages to be UPGRADED: firefox: 137.0_2,2 -> 137.0.1,2 11:55:06 hu? 2 to 1? 11:55:17 I removed the xorg configurations and that's what I get 11:55:23 intel would be the xf86-video-intel legacy driver 11:56:28 Xorg should try the modeset driver after it failed to use the intel driver, look if you get any warnings about modeset 11:57:28 if I put the xorg config files where I specify the driver to modesetting I get different error 11:59:10 what error do you get there? 11:59:22 (without a xorg config it should try all drivers until it finds a working one (probably in alphabetic order so it tries intel before modeset)) 11:59:50 https://paste.debian.net/1368874/ 12:00:17 I paste above 12:01:43 are you in the video group? 12:02:06 yes 12:04:10 nimaje: in wheel and video 12:09:57 armin: 137.0.1 is newer than 137.0 regardless of the portrevision 12:11:58 ivy: I'm blind, thank you. 12:16:53 Rand0m: are you sure you don't have any xorg config left in /usr/local/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d ? there are some (**) Option lines in your log, which aren't in mine 12:18:03 nimaje: the logs in https://paste.debian.net/1368874/ after I copied the configuration back 12:18:20 this [Rand0m> nimaje: I always get couldn't open module intel in the xorg logs ] was when I removed them 12:19:04 sorry for the confusion 12:22:48 so, try again to remove any xorg config you have and pastebin the logfile of trying to start X like that, the message that it failed to load intel driver is expected as it is the legacy driver you don't want to use and don't have installed, but it gets tried first 12:23:29 sure, will do now 12:27:43 nimaje: https://paste.debian.net/1368879/ 12:34:52 hm, why are you missing (==) Matched {intel,modesetting,scfb,vesa} as autoconfigured after glx got loaded? is that why it only tries intel? but why does it even try intel there? 12:35:22 I don't know 12:37:57 you installed the xorg meta-package and drm-kmod? 12:38:31 but nimaje when I added the configs as per the previous logs, it seems it was picking the modesetting. but why it wasn't starting? 12:39:04 what was the config you added? 12:39:27 https://paste.debian.net/1368874/ that's the one with the config file 12:39:47 and in the config I had Driver "modesetting" 12:40:57 just Driver "modesetting" ? shouldn't it contain section or something? 12:41:18 yes it does let me pasteit for you 12:41:32 https://paste.debian.net/1368883/ 12:42:13 if you try without the BusID ? 12:42:55 okay, will do it now 12:45:11 without BusID https://paste.debian.net/1368886/ 12:49:31 hm, why does it fail to find devices? (and why does it try to use some fonts it didn't try without a config? and why does it try to load intel? and why does it set some Options it didn't before?) 12:53:22 the fonts are from a different config file, but that shouldn't be an issue though 12:55:00 please pastebin the complete config, not just some section you guess is relevant and please test with only that fragment you pastebinned before 12:55:31 okay I just kept the driver one without the bus and this is the log https://paste.debian.net/1368887/ 12:55:49 so this is the driver config without the busid 12:56:25 only 13:07:16 ok, thatlooks like what I would expect, except that it doesn't find any screens and still tries to load intel 13:07:31 so what to do? 13:08:40 if you try with BusID "PCI:0:0:2:0" ? in your config you only had one 0 before the 2, but there are two in the pciconf output in the forum post 13:09:31 okay let me try it, I will add BusID "PCI:0:0:2:0" 13:10:58 but in saying that, and as far as I know, this is only important if you have multiple cards installed. right? but I will try it now, one minute and I will paste the log file 13:12:29 xorg should autodetect it, but it doesn't for you for some reason, so lets try if it works if it is specified explicitly 13:14:49 nimaje: that with BusID with double 0s before the 2, https://paste.debian.net/1368891/ 13:18:04 Sorry got disconnected 13:18:17 my last message was: nimaje: that with BusID with double 0s before the 2, https://paste.debian.net/1368891/ 13:19:26 ok, progress, with the correct BusID it finds the screen, but for some reason the default screen section doesn't match it "Screen 0 deleted because of no matching config section." but before that "No screen section available. Using defaults." I would assume the default should match any screen that is found 13:20:22 When I discovered mdo exists i uninstalled doas 13:20:24 salute 13:20:58 then the next test would be giving it some explicite screen section, no idea how it should look like 13:22:10 I can boot nomadbsd and run xrandr 13:22:17 get the screen id from it 13:23:23 look if they have anything in /usr/local/etc/X11/xorg.conf.d or /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d 13:27:13 nope, I will boot nomadbsd from the usb (a bit slow though) and run xrandr. the monitor/screen configuration should look like https://paste.debian.net/1368894/ with the correct identifier 13:27:33 will be back shortly 13:41:04 Hi nimaje, I pasted the monitor config and the logs https://paste.debian.net/1368897/ Thanks 13:48:58 that is now on FreeBSD with the Monitor section added to that Device section we created before? the config complains about not finding a matching Screen section and according to the xorg.conf man page a Screen section is there to connect a Device to a Monitor 13:49:49 I just added screen (although I never had to create it before) but nothing changed 13:50:13 I will past the logs and configuration 13:51:38 yeah, no idea, autoconfiguration always worked fine for me 13:52:22 usually I add the monitor when I have multiple screens but anyway I will paste the logs now 13:53:11 nimaje: please find them in https://paste.debian.net/1368899/ 13:57:50 nimaje: should I be using drm-515-kmod or drm-61-kmod? 13:59:18 drm-kmod will depend on whichever you should use on your freebsd version 14:04:17 Rand0m: which GPU? 14:04:37 I'm using drm-616-kmod, since 515 will not work with my 6750XT 14:07:50 thedaemon: device = 'WhiskeyLake-U GT2 [UHD Graphics 620]' 14:09:05 https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/products/sku/193563/intel-core-i78665u-processor-8m-cache-up-to-4-80-ghz/specifications.html 14:10:05 either should work fine for that one I believe 14:10:10 8th gen? 14:10:34 yes 14:10:44 that's old enough it should be covered in 515 14:10:50 I tried both but none is working 14:10:54 oh? 14:11:06 so let me try again 515 14:11:16 have you loaded the kernel modules? 14:11:23 Do you know the steps involved? 14:12:34 yes, the kernel modules were loaded, I'm removing the drm-61 and installing 515 again for another try 14:12:53 personally I had to compile drm-616-kmod from ports 14:12:56 good luck 14:13:16 Do you reboot and it turns off our screen then you reboot into single user mode? 14:13:30 I did compile it from ports 14:13:49 :( I'm sorry 14:14:54 https://bsd-hardware.info/?view=search&name=WhiskeyLake-U&typeid=graphics+card#list 14:14:58 Well, lots of people use it 14:15:27 it works on nomadbsd but struggling to get it to work on freebsd 14:15:42 compiling the 515 shouldn't take too much time 14:15:56 Well, since NomadBSD is FreeBSD, should be a matter of figuring out what is wrong 14:16:34 I tried everything, here tonight we tried again 14:22:25 thedaemon: no luck :( 14:31:22 Thanks nimaje and thedaemon for all your help, It after midnight here and I will call a night 15:20:07 and probably a good time to tell everyone to upload their dmesg to https://dmesgd.nycbug.org/index.cgi and a probe to https://bsd-hardware.info/ 15:31:58 if you are running FreeBSD or interesting hardware, please feel free to upload you dmesg 15:56:53 cheers. for my understanding, should yesterday's FreeBSD-EN-25:07.openssl have been a security advisory instead of an EN? or is it not a vulnerability, depite the description? (i tend to take care of ENs much later, so i was surprised) 19:05:40 does anyone reccommend a data center? I'm looking for a bare metal server in Miami/Tampa or something near 19:17:07 Yaazkal: is that like renting a vps or ec2 instance? does the location of it matter that much? 19:17:54 not vps, looking for bare metal server. Looking for those locations because it's near to the users 19:18:34 oh yeah. it's a crazy world of people buying all kinds of cloud and server based stuff. 19:18:47 i didn't even know netflix had a bunch of CDNs around the country with freebsd just to serve content faster. 19:22:25 Yaazkal: i have friends that use freebsd on vultr, it appears they have a center in flordia 19:22:53 i don't recall if they have full servers or just vps, sorry 19:24:49 rtprio: they do have bare metal, but it's not clear if I can customize them (like adding more disks). Seems they did not understand my request because they just answered "If you need more space you can buy another server". I want to have a server with a mirror for OS and then mirror striped for jails (6 disks total) 19:25:01 not a recommendation but hostdime has orlando and miami locations. 19:26:49 I'm trying to get a quote with Hivelocity... but has not been easy too. Really their service is like... meh (bad experience recently) 19:27:02 isley: I'll take a look, thanks 19:28:49 they were okay 19:28:52 not great 19:36:28 rtprio they who? vultr? 19:36:45 hiveolicty was okay, i guess 20:04:51 Yaazkal: https://www.leaseweb.com/en/ 20:18:05 hernan604 thank, I'll check 22:29:22 dk: I would have expected that one to be a SA too, even if it says 'Systems not exposed to low-latency adversaries and systems not using "exotic" elliptic curve parameters are not affected.' same with the expat one 22:32:52 especially as low-latency adversaries just means that you need some second part that gives you RCE 23:36:43 Which is the Wireguard implementation I want on current system? wireguard-go from ports? 23:38:15 the one in the base system, maybe you want to install wireguard-tools to have wg-quick 23:49:48 ^ wg-quick from wireguard-tools is what I use.