00:02:38 <ring0_starr> hmmm
00:03:15 <ring0_starr> https://www.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=2.11BSD/sys/sys/init_main.c       why does the copyright notice say 1997?  2.11BSD was around 1980 i thought
00:08:09 <ring0_starr> UC berkeley CSRG was dissolved in 1995, so it's not like they continued making updates past then, no?
00:17:46 <CrtxReavr> Last I heard, UC Berkeley was a. . . GASP. . . Solaris shop.
00:18:11 <CrtxReavr> UC Berkeley's CS dept. . . . which is such a betrayal.
00:26:19 <ring0_starr> SunOS was based on BSD before the SVR4 merge
00:38:53 <rwp> I might take a wild guess that things were still being changed as part of the intellectual property cleaning of things that needed to be purged.  I don't know though so don't quote me.
02:55:30 <ivy> ring0_starr: 2.11BSD is/was still being maintained as a vintage OS for running on PDP-11
02:57:35 <ivy> i don't think it's a "real" BSD release though since CSRG hasn't existed for a long time
03:56:40 <ivy> hm, this is odd: i'm trying to unset the ACCELERATE option in www/py-autobahn, so i run 'poudriere options -cp lf www/py-autobahn', /usr/local/etc/poudriere.d/lf-options/www_py-autobahn/py311-options is created correctly, but the option is still set in config and when building
08:19:21 <futune> is there a way to move a child of a zfs dataset where the parent has the jailed=on property, such that the child is no longer jailed?
08:20:28 <futune> it gives the error that the child is in a "non global zone"
09:43:58 <Ltning> Hm, isn't hot-plugging of nvme devices in a server supported?
09:44:29 <ivy> Ltning: might depend on the server and how it's connected, PCIe hotplug is far from universal
09:44:39 <Ltning> pci20: <ACPI PCI bus> numa-domain 0 on pcib20 ; pci20: detached ; pcib20: Timed out waiting for Data Link Layer Active
09:45:02 <Ltning> (newline -> semicolon)
10:05:23 <Ltning> It's a Supermicro H13SSW
10:07:22 <nwe> I have an old macbook air 2012, And I want to get function-key to work.. so I can use fn+brightness/volumes etc.. today my xorg.conf.d/00-keyboard.conf looks like this.. https://pastebin.com/BFaW1uK6
10:12:34 <Ltning> nwe: did you get wifi to work on that thing? :)
10:12:52 <[tj]> I had wifi on a 2012 macbook air
10:12:59 <[tj]> there is a gnu only driver you need to build
10:13:04 <[tj]> and then it "works"
10:15:19 <nwe> Ltning: yes
10:18:08 <nwe> Ltning: I rebuild the kernel with this settings
10:18:09 <nwe> # FIX BWN Wireless Interface
10:18:09 <nwe> options BWN_DEBUG
10:18:10 <nwe> options BWN_GPL_PHY
10:18:37 <nwe> and installed the firmware /usr/ports/net/bwn-firmware-kmod/
11:21:33 <Martiini> BSD is excellent , But why choose BSD over other software
11:21:58 <Martiini> , because it's 100% open source ?
11:22:19 <ivy> Martiini: that's not a good reason, most Linux distributions are also 100% open source
11:22:47 <ivy> i guess the main reasons are a) FreeBSD source is mostly not copyleft, which makes it easier to re-use, b) FreeBSD is a single integrated system, not a bunch of separate components, c) you just prefer it
11:23:29 <ivy> for example, Sony used FreeBSD for the PlayStation OS because they could take it, modify it as needed and not have to release the source code, which they couldn't have done with Linux
11:23:30 <Martiini> I've used Arch distros , because it compiles from source Surfshark VPN , so I can use TV from other countries
11:23:46 <Martiini> ah, playstation .. I've used PlayStation
11:24:11 <Martiini> ah, it's licence
11:25:42 <Martiini> I tell everyone, I had Nokia telephone with Symbian OS - it was best OS ever
11:26:07 <Martiini> BlackBerry was popular in usa
11:26:46 <Martiini> Linux is so bad
11:26:59 <Martiini> , but I use Firefox browser
11:27:07 <ivy> linux is fine, it's much better than freebsd for some applications like modern networking
11:27:20 <ivy> any OS is a trade-off, there is no "best OS"
11:30:53 <dh> FreeBSD is so nice and simple compared to modern systemd-linux
11:32:00 <Martiini> , maybe it is a server that compiles the whole OS for specific device in 5 minutes
11:32:40 <Martiini> NVIDIA cpu is fastest now, I watched video on youtube
11:33:08 <Martiini> you can install Asahi linux on MacBook M1
11:33:18 <Martiini> , I watched on youtube
11:40:49 <nimaje> hm, for that "Surfshark VPN" I can't find the source, I found two AUR PKGBUILDs which repackage some debian package and some third-party projects that allow you to use that surfshark vpn service
11:41:26 <Martiini> yes, false information .. it converts some DEB package
11:42:10 <Martiini> , but Debian apt package manager has gone bad so many times, I don't need it
11:44:34 <Martiini> ChatGPT said to me, that it cannot create operating systems , it's some kindergarden Artificial Intelligence
11:45:46 <Martiini> I'd think - you feed it some data and cpu specifications and it builds some mega operating system
12:00:57 <Martiini> windows is still fastest on intel laptop
12:01:24 <Martiini> MacOS has some good software in Apple shop
12:01:35 <Afterglow> Windows is fasted in sharing your information with others
12:03:47 <Martiini> Engineering software - NX vs. Soldiworks vs. AutoCAD ,, CATIA, NX, Creo, SolidWorks, or AutoCAD? - Quora
12:03:48 <Martiini> 2 answers
12:03:48 <Martiini> Oct 16, 2018  - Google
12:04:01 <Martiini> still Windows
12:07:58 <Martiini> automobile mechanics must use diagnostics software .. Also, engine ECU runs some software , BOSCH maybe
12:10:21 <quickrr> objcopy seems failed --gap-fill https://pastebin.mozilla.org/V9LRVEN8 anything need a reason?
12:16:13 <Martiini> china & india
12:16:32 <nimaje> hm, so your binary is three bytes big? "Fill the gaps between sections with the byte value specified by the argument val.", I would expect that to mean elf sections, those three bytes don't seem to be enought to be an elf header
12:17:58 <quickrr> gnu objcopy works, its just a basic test
12:23:42 <nimaje> ok, looked up what that ihex is, but not sure if I would say a record is a section
12:36:22 <quickrr> nimaje: it started with mplab c18 compiler, it uses ihex, i needed bin, and regardless fails with --gap-fill=0xff , just created the test now
12:45:46 <nimaje> yeah, but why would an ihex record be a section? what if you encode an elf file as ihex? should the sections of the elf win or the records of your ihex encoding?
14:15:12 <ke5c2fin> port security/snort3 doesn't install any service file like for instance security/snort does. Is that normal/expected for ports? Is the recommendation that I write a service file?
14:21:35 <CrtxReavr> ke5c2fin, which is the newer version?
14:31:03 <ke5c2fin> snort3 is the new version of snort, security/snort is snort2 which is the older version
14:31:47 <CrtxReavr> I see.
14:32:22 <CrtxReavr> Yeah, I would prolly start with the script from snort2 and tweak as nesessary.
14:32:37 <CrtxReavr> Then you can submit a PR.
14:39:17 <ke5c2fin> Thank you, I'll look into doing that.
15:29:28 <Bushmaster> same problem ... very very odd. I installed postgresql 17.4 and happy with it, now I wanna install pgAdmin and it says oh no, you cant have it with postgreSQL 17.4, you can only have it with postgresql 16, what a screw up OS
15:29:30 <Bushmaster> https://dpaste.com/2F2Z65GQE
15:30:51 <Bushmaster> its the same thing with RStudio, oh no you cant have it, with MariaDB 11.4.5, you can have it with MariadB older version...
15:31:07 <Bushmaster> very weird and odd this FreeBSD
15:31:35 <Bushmaster> why it put out such weird conditions?
15:47:44 <mzar> Bushmaster: it's possible, but requires some insight
16:32:37 <cybercrypto> Hey, stupid question.  In a default root zfs install, I have a mirror zroot with 2 disks.  the pool is using disk partitions by detault
16:32:48 <cybercrypto>           mirror-2    DEGRADED     0     0     0
16:32:53 <cybercrypto>             ada1p4    UNAVAIL      0     0     0  cannot open
16:33:24 <cybercrypto> I shutdown remove failed disk and installed new disk.
16:33:55 <cybercrypto> do I need to mimic the "partitions" to be able to zpool replace the new ada1?
16:34:31 <cybercrypto> ada0p4 is online and running ok.
16:34:38 <cybercrypto>             ada0p4    ONLINE       0     0     0
16:35:56 <llua> that is a easy way to do it
16:36:01 <cybercrypto> should I follow these instructions? It is similar use case. https://srobb.net/zfsroot.html
16:37:29 <cybercrypto> llua: so I detach failed disk.   then mimic partitions by knowing the partiotions in working disk INTO new disk.     and then, atach new disk to the pool?
16:38:05 <cybercrypto> by mimc, I mean: gpart to make it identical
16:40:28 <llua> yeah, that is basically what you do
16:41:53 <llua> you can also: gpart backup healthy_geom | gpart restore new_geom to copy the partition table
16:42:32 <polarian> is there any way to do route priority, so I have wg-quick which sets 0.0.0.0/1 to go via wg0, but I need to configure a switch and I do not want to drop my wg tunnel for it, so is there any way to make a route via em0 for 192.168.1.3 (its address) to be priority over wg0?
16:43:00 <polarian> I looked through the handbook, there is nothing there of use
16:55:48 <Bushmaster> fact is FreeBSD or any BSD will not gonna able to catch up with enterprise level commercial development in epic proportion like Red Hat ... beat it
16:57:10 <cybercrypto> llua: how do I take a gpart scheme from owrking drive and apply to new drive?
16:59:54 <cybercrypto> llua: I see some examples here.. let me try in test vm.
17:02:04 <scoobybejesus> cybercrypto: as shown above, it's like gpart backup ada0 | gpart restore -F /dev/nda0, for example, is how i last did it
17:04:03 <cybercrypto> llua: wow! your suggestion worked like a charm. new disk is now resilvering
17:04:34 <cybercrypto> scoobybejesus: thats great, many thanks. I did exactly that backup and restore thing
17:13:08 <cybercrypto> 8-) it will take a while...
17:20:46 <cybercrypto>             ada1p4    ONLINE       0     0     0  (resilvering)
17:21:04 <cybercrypto> Appreciate all the help llua and scoobybejesus     8-)
19:47:39 <gustik> anyone an idea where console output may be hardcoded, because I am setting kern.console=ttyv0 and it still boots up with kern.console=ttyu0 first
19:47:57 <gustik> which is a problem because this causes me not to be able to use single user mode
19:48:31 <gustik> so in case something goes wrong on that vserver (ARM64) I have no other way but a live system to upload a FreeBSD ISO in order to repair it
19:49:29 <gustik> and i tracked down the problem as he is always sending out the console output to ttyu0, when I set it to ttyv0 I get console messages on screen, however, it does not survive a reboot
20:22:53 <gustik> conscontrol also does good job of selecting a console, but also does not survive a reboot
21:26:48 <gustik> OK
21:26:56 <gustik> I solved the issue
21:27:12 <gustik> the solution is to add hw.fdt.console=NO to /boot/loader.conf
21:27:51 <gustik> raspberry pi ppl have the same problem, because they may use the serial port for something else and needed to disable the serial port as well
21:28:13 <gustik> well, to me the issue was that this virtualized host HAS NO SERIAL console, but was advertised by Qemu or whatever
21:28:58 <gustik> so I did not see the boot msg until now, so I ll try single user now, it should work
21:32:12 <dvl> Rubber ducky debugging: I have two hosts & a gateway (<- newly deployed), each running FreeBSD 14.x - IP4 running as expected. Just got my HE.net IPv6 tunnel running. THe two hosts can ping6 each other. Neither host can ping6 the gateway, nor can the gateway ping6 the two hosts. Given IP4 is fine, I'm sure this is firewall relate. So far, tcpdump is not showing me what's blocked.
21:32:14 <gustik> well, it does ... unsurprisingly, now everything works as expected
21:35:29 <dvl> Running tcpdump on the gateway, I can see the incoming "ICMP6, echo request", nothing going back.
21:52:10 <dvl> It's routing. The "ICMP6, echo reply" are going out on my HE.net tunnel.  OK, good, that I can deal with. :)
21:52:20 <dvl> Good night. Thank you for coming to my TED talk.
22:16:29 <gman999> is there an equivalent of openbsd's base acme client in freebsd's port tree?
22:20:09 <gman999> security/acme.sh i assume.
23:30:32 <jschmidt> +1 for acme.sh - very powerful for being "just a shell script".
23:33:35 <gman999> oh, i missed the backlog.
23:33:45 <gman999> assume it's the same as openbsd base acme jschmidt
23:47:19 <jschmidt> I'm not familiar enough w/ OpenBSD, but I /think/ it's more of a standalone project.