00:13:22 anyone going to be at FOSDEM? 01:40:19 is it a problem to get console messages that the box is out of swap space? it's a box with 192gb ram, 4gb default swap space, ufs. all it does is run 2 vms, each given 64gb ram, leaving base OS with 64gb 01:48:24 i run the vms with -5 nice fwiw 02:08:29 is it as simple as i need to increase the swap from 4gb or do i need to tune something ? 02:32:09 im trying to customize my bsdinstall installerconfig preamble to make a bigger than default swap. so i changed export PARTITIONS="da0" to export PARTITIONS="da0 GPT { auto freebsd-ufs /, 16G freebsd-swap }" and the installation ran but i booted into system and top reported swap as 512mb. what did i do wrong? 02:51:47 i reversed the order of the 2 partitions and that worked. so i'm gonna run my workload with 16gb swap and see if swap errors go away 04:22:54 hi 04:56:09 after all that 04:56:56 uh, demido you could increase the swap if you need to record kernel crashes, but otherwise 4gb is plenty 04:59:11 rtprio why am i getting out of swap space console messages then? 04:59:35 well, do you have 4gb or do you have 512mb? 04:59:40 also, what is the system doing 04:59:52 i can run a base system with 1GB or so of ram, so why is base OS left with basically 0 memory free when running 2 vms that each get 64gb? 05:00:06 maybe you came in late lemme paste... 05:00:21 is it a problem to get console messages that the box is out of swap space? it's a box with 192gb ram, 4gb default swap space, ufs. all it does is run 2 vms, each given 64gb ram, leaving base OS with 64gb. i run the vms with -5 nice fwiw 05:00:58 so by my math, you should have 192-(128) of ram left? 05:01:01 so i woulda thought 64gb for base OS would be plenty but instead it has like 4gb free, swap full, console messages about being out of swap 05:01:06 ya should 05:01:52 4104M Free in sudo top -a 05:01:59 zfs system? 05:02:02 100% Inuse swap 05:02:03 no ufs 05:02:20 can you paste top, preferably with the 2 vms showing? 05:02:21 86G active, 56G inact, 38G laundry 05:02:26 yep sec 05:03:53 https://termbin.com/1xif 05:04:20 https://paste.debian.net/1347657/ 05:04:24 the 2 vms are both using 50G mem of their 64G allotment btw 05:05:00 system has 64 logical cores, 30 to each of the 2 vms, 4 left for host 05:06:07 fwiw i'm spinning up a 2nd identical system with only 2 changes, no -5 NICE on vms, and 16G swap instead of the default 4G. will be another hour or 2 till they are done 05:09:33 not sure man 05:09:47 if you have space to spare, since you're on ufs you could add a swapfile 05:09:51 think freebsd has a mem leak or smth? 05:10:04 i'd be curious to see how much swap you use before it levels off 05:10:24 well i'll see what this 16G of swap does. if i fill it i'm gonna try it again with a 3rd machine sized to 64G swap 05:10:31 if it still fills it i'll know something's up 05:11:11 sure, but the swapfile would get you answers a bit more quickly, i suspect 05:11:14 i'm using vm-bhyve or whatever that tool is 05:12:14 yes, i assumed 05:12:30 do you know how to check if my swap is being used in a bad way? i know it's fine to use swap for infrequently accessed stuff, but it's bad if it's constantly being accessed hot (right?) 05:12:52 ps -f but when i do it on my system i don't really understand it 05:13:03 do the vm's themselves use swap? historiucally speaking 05:13:21 afaik no 05:13:39 you've got a lot of inactive pages in an os that you're simulating 05:13:47 the_oz_ well the vms are debian and they have 1G swap inside them 05:13:50 the os may be inactive 05:14:06 and the 1G debian swaps are fullish 05:14:42 Hmmm. 05:14:45 ya all the inactive mem being used made me think maybe bhyve was leaking mem or something 05:14:54 as if the 64G to each vm isn't being contained 05:16:33 well at least with my 2-8gb vms nothing like that has ever happened 05:23:15 think giving 30 cores to each vm is too much and somehow shitting ram? 05:23:50 i don't see how; again, i might just give the system some swap and see how much it consumes before stopping 05:24:11 ok :/ i'll do that and report back ty 05:25:07 just use a swapfile, while it's going 05:25:17 you can add without rebooting? 05:25:25 truncate -s 20G /usr/swapfile 05:25:42 swapon /userr/swapfile 05:25:53 run it as root or? 05:26:05 er, swapon -E /usr/swapfile 05:26:07 yes, as root 05:26:26 i'll try 100G just to give it room 05:27:48 swapon: ioctl(DIOCGDELETE): Inappopriate ioctl for device \n swapon: /usr/swapfile: block device required 05:28:02 uh' 05:28:24 oh shit you still have to md it 05:28:39 what's md? 05:28:53 it turns a file into a block 05:29:03 how do i do that? 05:30:06 mdconfig -t vnode -f /usr/swapfile 05:30:29 swapon /dev/md0 05:31:38 swapon -E /dev/md0 or no -E? 05:31:49 no -E 05:31:52 oh shit 05:31:59 i knew something was wrong damn 05:32:03 do i ctrl+c ? 05:32:11 i don't know what's happening 05:32:23 i ran swapon -E /dev/md0 :( 05:32:42 did it not already return? what's swapinfo show? 05:32:50 it might need to be in another window 05:32:59 ya it was hung. i terminted it then ran the command right, immediately returned 05:33:15 swapinfo shows the original 4G and now the /dev/md0 05:33:18 it probably seemed hung, when in fact the system was trying to swap to it right away 05:35:20 i added the 100G swap file to the 2nd system that's in the process of spinning up to see what happens with it too 05:37:23 swap file is starting to get used 05:47:27 2nd box down to 28G Free and swap is starting to get used. up to 96M used 05:50:13 26G Free, up to 774M swap used 05:51:32 i'm tempted to try disabling swap. like why the heck is base OS using >64G ram 05:54:28 22G Free, 4G swap used 05:58:54 i'll stop spamming channel. i'll just report numbers in a couple hours when 2nd server is done spinning up 05:59:35 live sysadminning is the action packed content I live for 05:59:45 :D 05:59:47 :) 06:14:25 oooo 06:19:19 im using virtio-blk and virtio-net for the vms, maybe they leak? 06:25:46 really feels like bhyve is leaking mem 07:34:10 hi all ... . skraito here ... . 07:59:45 after installing wpa_supplicant , will wpa_supplicant system service which under rc.d directory be generated automatically 08:00:29 xxy 08:00:30 hi 08:00:37 you love freebsd ? and wpa ? 08:00:45 which version you use 08:00:54 We only publish until version 14.1 08:01:00 i can't find wpa_supplicant under rc.d directory, 14.0 08:01:02 so don't believe if you get 14.2 08:01:17 type find / | grep -i wpa 08:01:20 try it 08:01:39 ask your government to release 14.1 08:02:02 We [ 0day (xc) Our ] the one that code all ... . 08:02:16 is grandpa and grandma that Code freebsd 08:02:28 they got it from Us ... . 08:02:38 when i am in singapore at 2005 08:02:45 that's so old but still stable 08:04:31 harvar-oday: how did you know where do i come from? 08:05:13 i come from ? 08:05:27 ask my wife yourself skraitow Lord Jesus Christ 08:05:38 i am in close wisdom so i don't know where are you from 08:05:48 which country are you from xxy 08:06:05 guess 08:07:04 don't know 08:07:09 may be america 08:08:16 i also wish i had been born in america 08:08:54 why 08:08:58 where are you from 08:09:04 china 08:17:57 oh you are from china that's good 08:18:05 what do you want china 08:18:11 are you from government 08:18:35 i already quit UN so if you want you can whisper me 08:18:46 but We charge 700 unknown max x 30 billion 08:25:11 * Alver snickers 08:47:25 skraitow: try not to behave like a 14 year old this time 08:50:31 what do you mean by that Alver 08:50:49 i am skraito Kid 08:50:51 how are you 08:51:09 is Us [ 0day (xc) Our ] that code freebsd so don't claim Our code 08:51:15 We already release it 08:51:35 please stay ~ on topic there’s a -social chan if you need to banter 08:51:44 you get it from Us skraito and skraitow which is Lord Jesus Christ at singapore 2005 ... . 08:52:16 how are you alver and dch 08:52:29 what your question about freebsd 08:52:42 We are the coder 08:52:50 ask me anything if you guys want to know 08:53:18 ^^ 08:57:59 sorry Kid 08:58:33 is skraitow here now ( Lord Jesus Christ skraito wife ) 14.2 grandma will release later grandma is testing skraito code ... . 09:03:09 interesting 09:10:08 from skraito now 09:10:12 which version did you use 09:10:21 14.1 is running with s41lb 09:10:24 try it Kid 09:10:29 wireless is working too 09:10:35 yeah 09:10:42 grandpa already try it at s41lb 09:10:53 is 14.1 with everything work even wireless 09:11:21 so if you want version 14.2 ask my Wife yourself is her that hold it Kid 09:11:54 * Alver smells another K-line coming 09:12:04 she definitely having fun with it 09:12:13 We don't care We got k-line or not 09:12:20 per k-line is 7 trillion dollar 09:12:28 Don't ever claim Our code 09:12:36 from [ 0day (xc) Our ] 09:12:53 We open source it but remember is Us that code it ... . 09:13:08 so go modify and release your own and make your own company Kid ... . 09:13:28 modify or not modify just claim Now 09:13:34 We already got pay ... . 09:47:22 this is better than reddit, i picked a good night to not be able to sleep 10:28:34 ya that was some good content. even better than my live sysadmining. btw 2nd system still spinning up and 4G Free, 8G swap Used 10:29:05 still feels like bhyve is leaking mem 10:29:20 no reason swaps should be this hot 10:33:23 back all skraito here 10:35:23 remember 10:35:32 s41lb laptop really run on 14.1 10:35:36 so try it and let me know 10:39:32 yea but what about my bhyve memory leak issue 10:53:08 This feels like 1998 all over again 10:54:45 why did time loop back 11:02:25 ketas: scriptkiddies talking all 1337 and h4x0r on IRC :°) 11:03:03 where's my mirc 11:03:17 that's how i learned to code too 11:03:18 hi all 11:03:19 anyone run into bhyve leaking mem in 14.2? got a ufs system with 192G ram. all it does is run 2 bhyve vms that each get 64G ram. by the time the 2 vms are each using 50G ram, the host system is out of mem and already using G's of swap 11:03:22 ketas 11:03:26 you love mirc ? 11:03:28 that's nice 11:04:18 demido: where does the ram go in host? 11:04:36 14.2 ? 11:04:40 how you get it ? 11:04:49 not Even Us release it ... . 11:04:53 ketas no clue. here's top of top https://termbin.com/1xif 11:04:58 you must be running fake AstaraOS 11:05:24 when i turn on swap in top (W) it shows basically 0 for everything 11:06:26 hmm 11:07:08 *shrugs* Run two vms on a box and never seen them max out their allocated mem. Might be the VM os 11:07:53 sbr how could it be the vm OS? does bhyve not enforce mem limits on the guests? 11:08:05 64+64=128 11:08:09 i give 64G to each vm, the vm shouldn't be able to use a drop more than that in freebsd host 11:08:24 ya that leaves 64G for freebsd host and i don't see where it's going 11:08:28 demido: but the host has to manage filesystem memory too 11:08:43 but with ufs that's a lot? i thought only zfs used a lot 11:08:55 the 2 vms do do a lot of file storage/io 11:09:10 doesn't it give fs cache away on pressure? 11:09:18 not swapping 100% 11:09:21 how can i check? 11:09:30 and ya it should 11:09:30 Yes, that it should, I don't know what else is going on. Just rebooted this box for 14.2 update, was up for ~6 months and had allocated ~9/32gb of ram 11:09:35 weird eh 11:09:52 ZFS will cache agressively if allowed and not stick to ram limit of the VM 11:10:00 ya but this is ufs 11:10:03 I have only a cursory understanding of FreeBSD memory info, https://wiki.freebsd.org/Memory has a brief overview, and some expert links at the bottom 11:11:23 also, any tmpfs usage on this host will be backed by swap if memory runs low 11:27:04 so the 2 vms have ~50G resident out of the 64G allocated. host system's 64G is totally used up and ~12G swap is actively used. 'cool' 11:27:26 really feels like something isn't right in mem mgmt 11:37:04 demido: is laundry mem (top) staying this high? 11:40:29 ya i have 2 boxes configured more or less the same and teir laundry are 28G and 22G 11:40:40 ridcully ^ 11:47:02 is Laundry only on ufs systems or? because just looked at my zfs system and it doesn't have ANY Laundry listed in sudo top -a 11:49:04 it's a freebsd 14.1 system tho, so maybe 14.2 has a mem leak or bug? 11:52:11 https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/how-to-find-out-memory-leak-on-14-1-release-p4.95014/ seems related 11:56:42 hi all 12:00:33 https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current/2023-July/004027.html seems related too 12:02:01 i hope to upgrade freebsd from 14.1 to 14.2 , when i run command "freebsd-update upgrade -r 14.2-RELEASE" , it prompt "The following files are affected by updates. No changes have 12:02:01 been downloaded, however, because the files have been modified 12:02:01 locally: 12:02:05 is anyone willing to help a GhostBSD user? I asked in their channel but im not sure how active it is 12:03:31 https://paste.centos.org/view/a7a5ba07 12:03:44 hi all 12:04:05 We already say xxy no one release 14.2 12:04:18 check yourself 12:04:25 how do you can update it anyway 12:04:39 ask skraitow yourself if you don't believe me 12:04:51 which is Lord Jesus Christ 12:05:10 skraitow-kline:https://www.freebsd.org/releases/14.2R/installation/#upgrade 12:07:12 i see 12:07:20 then try it then since is written there 12:07:21 :) 12:09:50 What is the equivalent of /proc/net/nf_conntrack in FreeBSD which shows which connections are flowing through a gateway? 12:17:16 psionic: fw dependant commands 12:18:01 psionic: with pf, pfctl -ss does it 12:19:23 with ipf, ipnat -l shows it 12:19:41 fuck knows what ipfw had 12:22:53 can't find it 12:23:01 hopefully it's enough 12:24:49 ipfw two types of nat even 12:33:14 maybe the prob i'm having is that bhyve vm image files are on the 1 root partition. maybe i need to create 2 separate raid arrays and dedicate 1 to vm disk images 12:33:52 i'm thinking all of the vm disk image activity, being in the host system's root partition, is 'leaking' lots of disk cache work to the host OS 12:53:22 demido: I don't think that will change anything useful, and its an awful lot of work without more data 12:53:52 dch well any other ideas what's causing this prob and how to solve it? 12:54:09 the big question is why does memory usage climb over time, and what behaviour triggers this 12:54:25 sure 12:54:43 and why doesn't laundry or inactive get freed 12:55:27 are the VMs freebsd ones? running maybe zfs inside? 12:55:35 debian, ext4 12:55:40 are trims in the VM getting through to the host? 12:55:53 ya there has to be some kinda leaking going on 12:56:09 i'm using virt-blk and virt-net vm drivers fwiw 12:56:24 but I would start reading tuning(7) carefully to start with, and brush up on those memory links I pasted earlier, they are dense/excellent reading 12:56:49 ok this is interesting... 12:56:50 and maybe ask in the #bhyve channel for some suggestions too 12:57:47 i rebooted the 2nd server, started the vms back up, and now reinitializing their data payloads. as they spin up, host system Free mem disappeared predictably. then a bit of laundry appeared (10M) BUT now finally i see Inact being consumed, and swap is still unused 12:58:14 that's promising, tho would be preferable to not need a reboot to cause it 12:58:26 down to 57G Inact from a peak of 68 12:59:20 124G Active, which is more sensible. 56G resident for both vms, then a bit extra for host OS 12:59:46 54G Inact, 12M laundry 12:59:55 swap still unused 13:00:29 ok swap is now getting used, 95M 13:00:58 I skimmed tunefs(8) but don't see anything really useful for your situation. 13:01:07 tyvm 13:26:47 Hey, if I want to know how much memory (phys and swao( being used by each jail, is the system keeping track of that and perhaps putting it in a sysctl, or should I parse output of `ps`? 13:31:32 ghoti: man rctl, you need to enable it & reboot 13:32:57 it won't add up precisely, memory accounting never does. filesystem-related resources will likely not show up in the way that you want, but might be possible with per-jail zfs datasets 13:33:13 ghoti: https://klarasystems.com/articles/controlling-resource-limits-with-rctl-in-freebsd is a great intro 13:36:16 not going below 55G Inact. laundry at 4G. Free ram at 4G. swap has 3G used 13:44:54 gonna have to try debian host with kvm vms and see what that's like. this doesn't seem right 15:13:05 dch: that looks like exaact what I was hoping for. Much better than parsing `ps aojail,rss,vsz`. Thank you! 15:28:06 ghoti: yw 16:53:15 Hi all, having connectivity issues only on FreeBSD (doesn't matter - clean install, or truenas, whatever) so: ping 1.1.1.1 -- nothing; from gateway: ping -- timeout. From freebsd: ping -- ok; from some other device: ping -- ok. 16:53:40 FreeBSD sees ICMP request but no reply to gateway. 16:54:12 I have literally no idea what's going on. Is that special freebsd network stack, or something else. 17:18:41 Anyone? 17:20:39 it looks like you go blackholed, or blockholed 17:20:45 s/go/got 17:21:03 but why? 17:21:18 Really do not understand. Dealing with this issue for two days already. 17:21:28 And the server is needed urgently. 17:21:36 check the net for duplicate addrs 17:23:58 oh damn, yes! it works. 17:24:19 I did check for duplicate addresses, haven't found any, was looking for other possible causes but no. 17:24:35 rosmi_th: please use deductive reasoning, solve, thoubleshoot by sniffing traffic, you will find the culprit 17:24:42 Removed every single IP from ARP table - done 17:24:58 mzar: yes, i did that all. 17:25:07 But I was looking for issues in wrong places. 17:25:39 look for them on the wire, use tcpdump 17:26:15 I did that as well. 17:26:29 Anyway, all works now. Thanks. 17:27:10 My health is a bit fucked now, working & falling down sometimes, lol. Didn't notice duplicate IP (at all) - removed all and all works. 17:27:16 so the issue solved 17:28:08 you don't have to thank us, express you grattitue toward FreeBSD commpunity by helping others and advocating 17:30:27 I'll donate to FreeBSD foundation then <3 17:30:30 Does this counts? :) 17:31:34 ha... maybe they will make some more stickers for Fosdem BSD booth, so probably yes. Thank you 17:32:30 <3 18:25:47 A bit off-topic. Why do you use FreeBSD? 18:28:56 I am used to, feel confident with it. 18:29:18 rosmi_th: there will be a lot of answers 18:29:26 Well, just few reasons. 18:29:39 And, like.. why not Linux? (i do not use it) 18:29:53 "well I use both" 18:30:43 I use it on my laptop, and kinda.. i do not feel confident with it. 18:30:48 rosmi_th: Linux let me down a few times, it was a long time ago, maybe he's more stable now 18:30:59 he's not 18:31:05 s/he/ti 18:31:06 it 18:31:19 :-) 18:31:20 One of biggest reasons - too bloated, complicated.. 18:32:55 systemd, for example.. I don't say it's "bad" or something, I just do not need 99% of it's functions, I need init system to initialize .. 18:33:45 rosmi_th: no worries, as a community with have nothing agains Linux 18:34:05 I do have Gentoo currently, and it's most near to FreeBSD stability and bloat-less, but still not my thing. 18:34:37 Most of linux distributions feel like.. "beta version" 18:34:48 too many problems 18:35:23 I don't know how people use it, maybe I am just idiot, but I want system that works out of the box with no need to do anything other than using it. 18:36:13 Linux is used by the enterprise, FreeBSD not much; we have Gentoo committer in our local BSD User Group, he installed FreeBSD, probably out of curiosity 18:36:52 .3 18:36:53 .3 18:37:08 FreeBSD is wholesome, the best thing I've ever used, but the main problem - it doesn't have everything. 18:37:29 For desktop? sure, enough.. for server? well, it cannot run 18:37:36 ? 18:37:51 Let's say I want to run deepseek ai here 18:38:00 OK 18:38:08 Or what you didn't understood? 18:38:21 I meant "there's no enough ports for some uses" 18:39:59 What is the soundserver people on FreeBSD use? 18:41:43 ALSA? 18:42:03 OSS, pulseaudio if someone is weird 18:45:32 Isn’t there a need for pulseaudio or pipewire on freebsd? 18:45:48 ? 18:46:27 afaik in Linux there is a need for those because otherwise you can’t manage applications individually 18:47:06 afaik, yes 18:48:49 I don't need sound on my laptop, so I have no idea. 18:49:33 Hm, okay. I got T420 which must fully work with FreeBSD. 18:49:59 If I can run winbox and ledger live with Linuxulator - i will go for it. 18:55:33 ahhh that’s sick! 18:55:43 I need sound for work and stuff 19:04:08 janvhs: I do not, not on this machine. 19:41:10 What's the best way to pull a variable out of the rc system? I don't know where it's set, but I want the current value of $jail_li st. From `service jail rcvar`, I only get _enable. There must be a better way than using grep, 19:44:07 ghoti: sysrc might be able to do it. For _enabled I use 'if service blah enabled; then foo; fi 20:03:51 bdrewery: looks like sysrc can pull out the variable as long as I name it explicly. So I would have to, for example, already know that `jail` requires `$jail_list`. I guess this will do for now, though it woule be nice if I could ask it for jail_* or rcvar could include 'jail_list'. 20:29:15 I've seen references to /etc/rc.conf.d/network as a place to put ifconfig assignments. I failed to get that to work. `mv network netif` succeeded. Is that the right file for that? 20:30:50 It seems to be an approach well suited to automated configuration (e.g. ansible, puppet, etc). 20:32:56 any ideas on my bhyve mem leak issue? 20:48:19 demido: I missed the original details, but I'm hoping there is a PR. 21:04:06 Yea, based on reading https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/tree/libexec/rc/rc.d/netif?h=releng/14.2 - yeah, that's the right place 21:05:19 dvl what in that file leads you to believe it's the source of my issue? 21:05:35 demido: I was referring to my own stuff. 21:05:48 ah 21:06:30 demido: I know the feeling.. so often people do not tag the recipient, and the message gets lost in the chaff. 21:06:35 maybe i'll try putting this dell r430 into HBA mode and using zfs 21:06:42 ya 21:11:50 demido: That sounds like a really good idea. 21:31:53 dvl: but you can add extra general rc.conf files and there are those old per-if files under /etc... if all of that fails, it's option to just patch the init too 21:32:45 ketas: Thanks. That sounds like an awful lot of work - i.e. I don't want to patch. 21:33:28 there should be plenty of custom config around there already 21:34:54 don't most people do like rc.conf for generic setup and rc.conf.local for locals settings 21:35:08 literally what it's for 21:36:18 or, if you wanted direct ifconfig lines... 21:37:02 it's also option to write init scripts :) 21:39:14 Yes, to /etc/rc.conf and /etc/rc.conf.local - however, I am automating the configuration via Ansible - it is easier to put all of snmpd config into /etc/rc.conf.d/snmpd 21:39:56 ketas: ^ and I'm also taking that approach for ifconfig etc (/etc/rc.conf.d/netif) 21:41:48 did that make ton of small files? 21:41:55 never used ir 21:41:57 it 21:44:22 oh rc.conf.d used $name 21:47:16 i also use rc.conf.d/*, best way 22:03:58 demido: definitely do the zfs thing, you can change the caching / metadata behaviour on a per-dataset level i.e. for each of the VMs 22:07:35 has anyone successfully gotten freebsd to serve home directories via nfs to a linux client running a gnome gui? When I try the gnome desktop hangs on login 22:16:03 Happy Sabbath Day All ... . from skraito and Lord Jesus Christ ... . 22:18:12 ave discordia o/ 22:44:10 dch ya i haven't tried it yet so i don't know if it'll solve my problem but either way, UFS is effectively dead 22:44:15 total abandonware 22:56:10 hi all happy sabbath day from Equinix ... . thank you for hosting with Us ... . 22:56:27 kirk just recently committed ufs date fix that pushed times past 2100, at which point, he jokes, he will be long dead and you can't yell on him anymore 22:56:31 ufs1 22:56:33 :p 22:57:44 exact date is February 7, 2106 22:57:53 equinix-owner you're colo'd in an equinix facility? 22:58:34 i am the owner yohanes patra with skraitow Lord Jesus Christ demido 22:58:50 welcome to host with Us ... . 22:58:59 it's him again? 22:59:00 Our network is 1.6 tbit now 22:59:13 who kertas ? 23:03:59 too many bad reviews of using this raid card in hba mode for zfs so i either find a solution with freebsd and ufs, or switch host to debian 23:24:38 Howdy all. I'm rather new to freebsd. I have a fresh install and I'm trying to install the git port. First time I tried it gave a bunch of "stopped" errors, so I tried again and now it seems to be in an infinite loop on a few packages. For example I have "staging for py311-openssl-24.1.0.1" and then under it is "something something depends on 23:24:38 something else - not found". Has been doing this for hours. Same thing happened when I tried to install the emacs port. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong? 23:25:31 I tried both with the installer-provided ports tree and tried a fresh install and removed the ports tree and redownloaded with the pkg version of git, then removed git and etc etc. 23:29:44 What ketas said about the date commit: https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit/?id=1111a44301da39d7b7459c784230e1405e8980f8 23:30:15 yeah :) 23:39:34 MountainMan1312: right, you have to build all of the dependencies, which can be a quite lengthy list 23:39:59 (once you get into their dependencies, and those one's dependencies, etc.) 23:43:21 im trying the leaky bhyve setup with 1 change, putting the vm storage on its own partition 23:52:08