01:28:22 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=284379 01:28:22 reported my wlan non-ascii ssid issue as a bug because it seems to be one 01:40:11 I'm trying to set up Wayland on a Libreboot system (libreboot-20241206rev8_x220_8mb_seabios_txtmode). I'm using SeaBIOS in text mode, and the first thing I realize is that on my 16:10 display, FreeBSD only takes about the space for 4:3. I attempted to install Sway and related Wayland software according to the handbook, in addition to mesa-dri, mesa-libs, and drm-kmod. I added kern.vty="vt" in 01:40:11 /boot/loader.conf with no effect. Then I tried kldload i915kms, which caused my screen to flicker for two seconds, then all text disappears and I am left with a black screen with a few rows of semi-random white pixels that respond to my input. Does anyone know how I could begin to debug this? 03:04:44 buy a 4:3 monitor 03:05:31 it's a laptop 03:05:43 and I would like to use it as a laptop 03:07:06 what's the deal with kern.vty? 03:07:12 do you have an intel video card? 03:07:15 Yes 03:07:22 It's a ThinkPad X220i 03:07:40 Intel 2nd Generation Core Procesor Family Integrated Graphics Controller 03:08:16 Update: I was able to get Sway working by blindly typing sway at a broken VTY. VTYs are still completely broken; I suspect kern.vty="vt" is not working somehow 03:09:44 Also, vt(4) says that the GENERIC kernel uses vt when not set 03:09:57 So I suspect that setting kern.vty=vt in loader.conf doesn't make a difference 03:15:41 VT: Driver priority 0 too low. Current 100 03:15:43 fbd0: not attached to vt(4) console; another device has precedence (err=17) 03:15:45 This is suspicuous 06:37:51 how can i get disk info in GB and have it not change to TB? like i don't want to see 3.6TB i want the value in GB like 3,600GB or whatever it would be 06:38:29 Is there something like brightnessctl 06:38:31 that works on wayland? 07:03:01 looks like df -BG does what i want!! 07:05:13 oh that only works on linux damn 07:08:13 maybe it's df -g on freebsd 09:38:03 It seems like https://pad.bsd.to/ is down 10:40:57 port options_radio sets only amd64? 11:17:13 how much is the min disk space you'd give a freebsd server not counting applications or user data? basically just OS and swap 11:17:45 i installed freebsd and bare OS takes 1.1GB. then 2GB for swap so that's just over 3GB 11:17:58 leaving some space free so disk isn't full and we're up to 4GB 11:18:22 no building anything, only installing stuff with pkgs 14:06:54 Hello, if any comitter can support I would really appreciate it. It is a matter of love and humanity. To any porters who can support me, I would appreciate it. https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=284389 14:07:43 i guess you can say the letter went to /dev/null 14:09:06 :( 14:09:42 not very funny ring0_starr 14:23:04 Thank you to everyone who can help by supporting. 14:27:29 i don't think it works that way 14:29:08 rtprio I know. But it's an attempt that might be worth it. 16:16:54 demido: there is the GNU version gdf 16:17:19 (i must have gotten it form coreutils) 16:18:01 but you may try sed 16:30:30 df -g works 17:43:16 runxiyu: backlight(8) 17:44:12 the display server doesn't control the brightness, this is something handled by the kernel, backlight(8) is used to interface with the device 17:55:08 Quick question about the performance characteristics of embedding a geom_uzip mfs_root image into the kernel statically. Will the entire image be decompressed once before mounting it as the root filesystem (i.e. with no decompression on any subsequent reads)? Or will it stay in memory compressed and every further read will add CPU overhead? 18:32:01 hrm. i upgraded from 13.2 to 13.4, and now in x11 my windoze key and arrows don't respond as a key chord, but windoze nonarrows does. 18:35:51 Demosthenex: you can go even further and upgrade to 14.2 18:36:02 mzar: yeah, in steps ;] 18:36:17 already had to fix stumpwm and sbcl 18:38:57 seems minor, but super/meta key chording is always weird. didn't change my termtype, setkbd, etc. 19:26:49 how much is the min disk space you'd give a freebsd server not counting applications or user data? basically just OS and swap. i installed freebsd and bare OS takes 1.1GB. then 2GB for swap so that's just over 3GB. leaving some space free so disk isn't full and we're up to 4GB. no building anything, only installing stuff with pkgs 19:28:11 demido: you can always add space later if it's a VM 19:38:18 sure but that's a separate question and no, not a vm 19:41:02 demido: What is the use case? 19:45:16 server 19:47:31 for server you usually assing whole avaliable storage, unless it's multiboot server 19:47:53 assing? 19:49:56 demido: you need to read "FreeBSD ultimate server guide" 19:50:57 url? didn't come up in search 19:51:20 don't know why it's so hard to get some answers to this question from ppl. like ppl don't have experience? 19:51:39 I found one on google search 19:51:41 https://www.c0ffee.net/blog/freebsd-server-guide/ 19:52:55 that didn't talk about minimum practical space for OS 19:53:44 IMHO reasonable minimum space for server nowadays is 500G 19:53:59 why does the OS need 500G? 19:54:08 but your mileage may vary 19:54:56 microserver and nanoserver could be thinner though 19:57:25 mzar so a freebsd install takes 1.1G, so where's the other 498.9G required? 19:58:37 500GB? :O File Server, probably lol 19:58:58 can't be. i already said OS, and not applications or user data, and surely mzar can read 19:59:06 devnull: for mega and giga server you need more 20:04:15 mzar? 20:05:07 ? 20:05:16 mzar so a freebsd install takes 1.1G, so where's the other 498.9G required? 20:05:34 for your convenience 20:07:05 why not 500T for my convenience then mzar? 20:08:46 demido: more information you'll find reading hier(7) and FreeBSD wiki 20:09:27 already read them, so i asked here for other opinions. why'd you even bother "answering" if it was just going to be screw off responses? 20:09:40 why not just go about your day? you surely have important things to do with your time 20:10:53 sure, but we are here to socialise and help, aren't we ? 20:11:27 no there's a channel for socializing and this isn't that channel. and it's not helpful to pretend to help but not actually help and just waste time 20:13:10 it's not waste of time, unless we are still alive, if AI gets behind these nicks, we'll be lost 20:13:29 blah blah 20:13:50 demido: have you ever installed any server ? 20:13:54 i ask for min practical server OS install size sans apps and user data and you say 500G, get real 20:14:11 you surely have important things to do with your time, ya surely 20:14:26 demido: To be fair, the question you're asking is also quite broad. Without knowing what you're going to be installing, how much you'll be logging, what data you're going to house, it's not really possible to know. 20:14:37 Why not just call it 5GB total and see what happens? 20:14:49 already said sans user data 20:15:13 That's fine. 20:16:28 to solve demido's problem we'll need some measures and surveys, it could take some time to answer the question "what's the minimum practical space for OS" 20:16:44 demido: maybe you can ask on the mailing list and in the social media ? 20:17:19 to deal with more ppl like you? why bother. i ask a question in #linux and get a dozen thoughtful perspectives. i ask in #freebsd and i get 1 screw off answer by someone with no value on their time 20:17:32 sad tbh 20:18:03 demido: you are lucky, since I have some overdue backups to complete, so I have a while to guide you 20:18:23 typical loser snark 20:20:43 if the answer is know from other channels, there is no need to ask here demido 20:22:56 mzar cool that you take your petty bitterness about life not working out how you wanted out on freebsd users 20:23:20 I've noticed that over the last few years, tools like `service` and `sysrc` and others have grown a -j option, to allow them to run in jails.. I have a bunch of tools that use `jexec` for the same purpose. If they work now, is there any reason to change them? Impending deprecation (!) of jexec for example? Or if it works, don't fix it? 20:25:35 ghoti: there were no talks about jexec(8) depreciation, just -j option is added to more and more utilities for your convenience 20:44:48 demido: I tend to give 40 gigs to my small ones and 500 gigs to more generic ones unless I know more will likely be needed 20:45:19 vkarlsen in what situation does just the OS need 40G? 20:46:28 demido: It does not 20:47:00 so why give 40G to an OS if it doesn't need it? 20:50:55 demido: Take my local resolver as an example; it has 40G, and reports 32.8G free. So sure, I could've given it less than 10G without problem. But it costs me nothing to give it access to more space than it needs. It would cost me (time and hassle) if I had given it 5G, run it full and then have to deal with allocating more. My 40G default is quite arbitrary, it just gives me room to do a number of 20:51:02 things without having to think about space. One ... 20:51:04 ... less thing to worry about. 20:52:27 cool 20:52:35 And this is with a vm where it's easy to grow it. Had I purchased a physical 5G medium and run out of space, it would've been an even bigger hassle. 20:55:26 vkarlsen: they left 20:55:54 Oh 20:56:59 I was about to pastebin a df -h from that one. Time saved, I guess 20:58:16 no worries 21:25:48 mzar: jexec depreciation was just an example. The quesion wheher it makes sense to refactor for some reason, for example .. example. Perhaps not; the -j option might be just an added feature, not a recommdation for change. 21:27:38 I'll accept the new convenience if it's not inconvenient. :) 21:35:03 cool 22:20:49 Sigh. I have doggedly hung on to csh/tcsh as my login shell on most systems for something like 30 years. I feel like I'm ready for a change. What to you use? Bash? Zsh? FiSH? 22:35:45 bash and zsh 23:10:10 I'd say bash. . . more practical and less. . . 23:10:39 Well, less. . . https://ohmyz.sh/