03:12:25 <CrtxReavr> Power supplies are a relatively cheap upgrade.
06:44:03 <dziq> hi
10:28:15 <demido> 8 1.8TB drives in raid 10 is theoretical capacity of 7200gb but actually 6700, then with ufs formatted it's 6500. there any online calculators to get these real numbers from different raid levels? only online raid calculators i found just give theoretical capacity but that's pretty useless
10:36:58 <jgh> for a start, drive manufs use misleading descriptions of size
10:37:17 <demido> LIARS
10:49:53 <demido> i got an old server for homelab learning. it has 8 disks in it. i set up raid 10 and got 6,700GB raid formatted, then 6,500 usable in freebsd + ufs. then i just changed raid level to raid 5 + 1 hot spare, raid formatted was like 10,000GB. went to do freebsd install and after i selected ufs and gpt installer said invalid size argument. 14.2 btw. is
10:49:53 <demido> that expected?
10:51:09 <jgh> then you have some overhead for raid, possibly - eg. a dirty-map (which could depend on a config granularity)
10:51:34 <jgh> then you have filesystem overheads, fs-type dependent and possibly config dependent
10:52:03 <jgh> in short, there's too many variables
10:53:49 <demido> ya that's why i'm resorting to installing freebsd + ufs on all of the different raid levels. know why i got that error?
11:04:38 <jgh> not me, sorry
11:46:31 <demido> weird. changed raid level to 5 with no hot spare and installer worked lol
12:47:57 <demido> what's the right way to view how much usable disk space i have in ufs in GB?
12:48:51 <demido> df -h or?
12:49:09 <Alver> Yes, that
12:54:06 <demido> size 11T, used 1.6G, avail 9.8T (???)
12:54:31 <demido> size 11T, used 1.6G, avail 9.8T (???)
13:51:05 <Demosthenex> ok, so trying to do freebsd-update with boot environments and bectl, i've read 2 docs that suggest creating a new BE then mount+chroot or jail into it to do the update, and a different klarna article that suggests mounting the new BE and using freebsd-update and specifying the mount path
13:52:12 <Demosthenex> which would be cleaner?
13:53:37 <vkarlsen> I'd do the latter
13:56:07 <Demosthenex> yeah, the mount of devfs and jail parameters made me nervous there's some implied logic going on
13:56:07 <mage> when the fuck will Github add support for FreeBSD in their CI/CD stack @#!
13:56:28 <Demosthenex> and since i have to update the EFI loaders manually anyway, it should be a wash
13:56:36 <Demosthenex> i just want to prep the upgrade and reboot into it using BE's
13:58:15 <Demosthenex> vkarlsen: oh! one difference is with the jail the third install command can be run, where klarna says after reboot do the third install
13:58:30 <Demosthenex> frankly, the upgrade portion of the handbook is quite unclear about the series of tasks to do :P
14:19:11 <Demosthenex> does freebsd-install need devfs mounted?
14:19:17 <Demosthenex> er, freebsd-update install
16:52:48 <rtprio> mage: probably never. and also, why
16:53:18 <rtprio> Demosthenex: if you're updating from outside a jail, doubtful
16:56:13 <Demosthenex> rtprio: i'm trying to upgrade inside a new boot environment, mounted with bectl jail
17:24:24 <rtprio> then probably don't need devfs, but what can it hurt, really
17:28:13 <Demosthenex> i just tried the upgrade using a jail, need to do the final reboot
17:28:40 <Demosthenex> https://dpaste.org/7jK08/raw
17:28:53 <Demosthenex> seemed to work. install said nothing left to do, and the pkg upgrades worked too
17:28:57 <Demosthenex> only 1 port to recompile after