01:29:33 so i got some vms on a 1U server with cool hot swap sas HDs and it's all good. but my prob is i have way more cpu and ram than i can use because 1U doesn't hold enough disk. so i'm thinking about moving the vm storage out to dedicated 2U storage servers. is that a bad idea to run vms off of disk space that's over the network on a separate server? 01:53:21 demido: If you have a 10Gb or faster network, you'll likely be fine. 01:54:25 no only 1gig ethernet to 1gig switch then to 1gig storage server 01:54:59 but most of what the vms transfer (in or out) is through the network and the network link is only 1gig 01:55:04 (fwiw) 01:57:03 Depending on the amount of data, it may be okay. But, I would guess it's likely not going to be a good time. 01:58:05 where do you see it breaking down? 01:58:23 I've tried it before myself, and even two VM's running over a 1Gb network got pretty sluggish. 01:58:59 if the lan only adds like 2ms, that really adds up that bad? 01:59:07 1-2ms 01:59:13 It breaks down because of constant send/recv for the OS. 01:59:27 You can always test it out. 01:59:30 so it just adds up to being enough to suck.. damn 01:59:49 Pretty much, yeah. I was kinda bummed. 02:00:20 Switched to iscsi over 10Gb and it's basically been flawless. 02:00:50 but isn't the latency still the same? or is latency not the actual problem, but the throughput 02:02:06 Latency didn't seem too bad, really. It was just a saturated line so everything was really laggy. 02:02:36 ya i can see that. OS+app is pretty chatty with disk. especially when you start getting swap right? 02:03:43 Sure seemed that way. I didn't test it for too long to really look into it. It was so sluggish, I just gave up immediately. Lol 02:04:01 hehe 02:04:27 so you have 10gbit all the way through? or 1gig from server into switch fabric and 10gbit between switches? 02:06:48 10Gb on everything. Looking to upgrade to 100Gb soon (if I can convince myself to spend that much money.) ISP's around here are offering ~10Gb a, so I figure might as well stay ahead. 02:07:35 s/a,/already,/ 02:07:38 damn nice. what cat level ethernet cables you use? 02:07:40 6a? 02:09:02 I'm using fiber. SR. Or, when I can find/afford it, MPO. 02:09:21 damn that's nice 02:09:53 what brand switches you use for that? 02:11:25 Cisco. Was able to get a good deal when $JOB upgraded. 02:11:39 damn my man eating good over there 02:11:55 shoutout from the poor house 02:12:11 can your same fiber cables carry 100gig? 02:16:53 Haha. Naw. I just wait it out for good deals. And, sure. Just gotta upgrade the optics for it. Again, generally not cheap. :( 03:09:55 ek so i can't do iscsi/nfs until i get 10gbit. trying to think of a temporary bandaid, what do you think about plugging an external nvme into the usb port on the server and using that for bhyve vm storage? 03:20:41 demido: As long as the USB port and stick/adapter/whatever are 3.0/3.1, it'll be way snappier than NFS over a 1Gb ethernet. 03:26:21 ah dang it's only usb 2 03:29:10 wait there's 1 usb 3! 03:30:01 usb 3.0, so 450MB/s. is that fast enough? 03:51:16 demido: Yep. USB 3.0 or higher does 5Gbps. Much faster than 1Gbps. :) 03:55:40 the server is using ufs on raid 10. would you use ufs on the external nvme drive or zfs? 04:46:31 demido: Personally, I use ZFS anywhere I possibly can. 05:00:52 Hi 05:11:37 naoki: Hello 05:44:08 ek: same 05:46:08 rtprio: Yeppers. Why not, right? 06:37:20 on vm's less than 2gb i generally skip it 07:17:53 rtprio 2gb disk or ram? 09:30:19 .14 09:30:21 err 09:30:45 14 is feeling good, looking forward to 15 in a year or whenever 15.0 comes 09:30:59 really appreciate freebsd devs making a solid OS 09:31:23 have you seen OSDB (i think it's called) or kerneldb something like that. really sexy tech coming our way 09:52:46 demido: si. The folks in the video. Are you? 09:53:07 are i what? 10:03:27 luke_jobless_sb ? 10:03:44 it was a video i saw the tech in but i wasn't 1 of the ppl in it 10:04:10 but it was basically structured kernel state + sql query language. really powerful 10:06:13 I saw it in the video as well. it was interesting 10:06:24 ya 13:08:47 if there's a port that need libcap (the linux capabilities thingie), how do I compile it on FreeBSD? 13:15:55 https://privatebin.at/?50c7cd488cbc6afb#4UdkBJJPxLcRseTBFDC8kHJX44LTmA2Jw1QVcRsYnnuv , is there a reason freebsd doesn't have include directories /usr/local/include ? 14:10:02 quickrr: https://reviews.freebsd.org/V6 14:15:40 babz: ah, thanks 14:16:52 :S blame cmake :) 20:04:58 Hello friends. I am currently running 13.2-RELEASE (yes i just realized its EOL). Can I upgrade directly to 13.4, or do I need to go to 13.3 first? 20:18:24 RoyalYork: You can upgrade directly to 13.4. 20:18:32 Thank you. 21:49:12 hey - i have been building ports with poudriere and i really do not want to have to do it for EVERTYHING. At this point in time, i have made freebsd jail clients ONLY point to the poudriere repository.. is there a way to have it check this library first.. and if it can't find the package default to the "main" freebsd repo.. for example postgresql@17 22:15:01 voy4g3r2: yes, you can define your repository in /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/mylocal.repo.conf and give it higher priority 22:18:05 with the contents like here https://pastebin.com/XFiZ4tNJ 22:19:44 but if the package was installed from one repo, the upgrade will usually stick to the same repo regardless of the priority 22:19:56 so the priority is for installing new packages 22:38:01 ohhh, that is what that does 22:38:10 the priority tag i did not have an djust disabled the other one 22:38:11 thank you! 22:59:08 sweet, it worked