02:26:56 other than modifying /usr/local/etc/rc.d/nginx to require named, is there a cleaner way of doing that? maybe in rc.conf? either adding a delay for a specific service or something like nginx_depend="named" ? 02:27:35 if not, then adding that seems kinda rudimentary, and I feel like a patch is required :) 02:55:30 antranigv, Why does your nginx require named? That's not a normal requirement. Certainly my nginx installs do not require named. 02:56:22 rwp by default it doesn't, but I have some proxy_pass which has DNS entries in it, and because I use IPv6 + DNS I ended up using both internal and external domain names. 02:56:40 rwp but I did just hit the issue again. WriteFreely didn't start automatically, it needed MySQL. 02:57:01 now I could move MySQL into another jail, and then use the depend= feature in jails. 02:59:27 If you need it then you need it, and should modify your rc script to require it. But that would not be a patch forced upon the rest of us. 03:01:28 rwp what I did mean is a patch for rc.subr, for a feature like _depend, not patching nginx itself :P 03:01:45 otherwise having named as a dep for nginx would be a nightmare yes :D 03:03:03 Ah... Gotcha. 03:04:01 Pretty sure it is rcorder(8) which handles the dependencies. 03:11:13 has anyone here been able to successfully get the signal-desktop ports package to build? 03:41:18 rwp turns out there's a better way to do things: https://antranigv.am/posts/2025/01/changing-freebsds-rcorder-without-patching/ 06:00:50 Hello 06:00:59 When Poudriere finishes compiling 06:01:08 do I need to do anything else to update packages? 06:01:28 because when I run "pkg version -v" it still shows that my packages are out of date 06:03:11 i have been using Poudriere for a little while and i never had that issue before 06:03:29 after Poudriere finished compiling, my packages were automatically updated 06:03:49 "pkg upgrade" also does not do anything 06:33:34 is there a way to set the MAC address on an interface in Bhyve 12:04:50 crb yes 12:05:18 crb according to the man page it should be tapN[,mac=xx:xx:xx:xx:xx:xx][,mtu=N] 12:06:29 here's a dumb questions: if I want to upgrade from 13.1 to 14.2, should I do 13.1 -> 13.2 -> 13.3 -> 13.4 -> 14.2 OR should I do 13.1 -> 13.2 -> 14.0 -> 14.1 -> 14.2 ? 12:59:03 antranigv: You can skip steps 13:03:53 0fg 13:03:58 sigh. 13:12:59 Is there a freebsd `watch` command available for macos? 13:32:51 no, macos doesn't have this, at least no man page and it's not in the PATH 13:50:25 alas 15:52:36 antranigv, I would think you can go 13.1 to 13.4 to 14.2. 16:32:04 ghoti: there might be one in ports, I usually write my own though. Something like: while x=$(pgrep svnlite); do clear; ps auxd -p $x; sleep 2; done 17:19:20 function watch() { while true; do clear; $@; sleep 2; done } 17:19:22 * pertho grins 17:20:45 ghoti gwatch is a thing, I guess. 17:20:57 but I do what pertho does. 17:21:33 vkarlsen you *can*, but I don't think its recommended. I once upgraded from FreeBSD 7 to 10 directly, but in that case the rollback might not work, other things might be broken, etc. 17:22:07 so (I feel like I'm repeating what I said in Discord, btw :P) I'm not looking for the "possible" way to upgrade a system, but rather the recommended way!. 17:23:02 I don't think 13.1 -> 14.2 is as big a leap as 7 -> 10 :D 17:23:53 antranigv: are you using root on ZFS? Make a snapshot.. try upgrading to 14.2.. if anything breaks, you can always go back to the snapshot/boot environment 17:24:17 pertho I know, I know, but again, this is not for that case :D 17:24:47 we (as very advanced users) know all of this 17:24:50 but newcomers don't 17:25:11 it would be nice if the FreeBSD docs mentioned the best practice in it 17:25:14 and most of them don't even check the installation page e.g. https://www.freebsd.org/releases/14.2R/installation/ 17:25:30 it says: The freebsd-update(8) utility supports binary upgrades of amd64, arm64, and i386 systems running earlier FreeBSD releases. Systems running 13.4-RELEASE or 14.1-RELEASE can upgrade as follows 17:25:58 but no one reads this, so, I'm making a web app where you input which version you're on, which version you wanna go to, and it tells you the recommended path. 17:26:39 hell I don't even update servers at all. I just reboot and iPXE boots the newest image. but we also need to take care of newcomers :D 18:43:24 I do always read the doc but with 14.2 I forgot to check the errata 18:43:39 Which explained the main issue I had 18:44:50 I love the way that with FreeBSD I can always find a reason for things that break 19:41:06 "It's not working, but I know why!" 20:07:26 can anyone here recommend a replacement for tinydns (that supports DNS views)? 21:30:45 antranigv: Yeah, I just yolo those things and deal with fallout if things go awry, but I understand this is not appropriate in all situations :) 23:36:17 if anyone interested... 23:36:32 jim brown on qemu streaming for NYC*BG 23:36:35 NYC*BUG 23:36:37 https://youtube.com/live/RZYoZi2Lkh4?feature=share