00:06:26 <rtprio> 6
00:12:14 <ketas> 7
00:19:40 <mewt>  /25
00:22:30 <ketas> i think mewt is cat from harry potter
00:23:54 <[808]state>  /linux
00:25:41 <[808]state> any suggestions for freebsd hosting?
00:26:47 <rtprio> take your vm provider of choice and put freebsd on it
00:27:47 <[808]state> i just found the /commercial/isp link on freebsd.org
00:28:33 <ketas> there are providers
02:50:10 <GoSox> i'm going to try to make myself a nice detailed step by steyp guide i can use to install freebsd from scratch and set up everything i need to make it my web server
02:50:46 <GoSox> and once i'm done, i'll wipe the test machine and follow my steps and see if it is a follow-able, repeatable guide
02:51:04 <GoSox> and if it is, then it will be time so start browsing surplus servers and see what I can find
03:16:00 <loureir-or-not> hey there! i am thinking of moving to freebsd, is there anything to know about nvidia before i join in?
03:16:15 <loureir-or-not> i've installed it on amd hardware in the past#
03:16:51 <SponiX> loureir-or-not:  you still around?
03:16:59 <loureir-or-not> yes
03:17:22 <HER> nvidia has an official driver for frebd
03:17:27 <SponiX> I am fairly sure the Handbook covers the Nvidia GPU support
03:17:36 <loureir-or-not> it does yeah
03:17:54 <SponiX> Let me have a look, and see if anything needs a side-note from me
03:18:38 <loureir-or-not> its like, `pkg install nvidia-drm`, some sysctl.conf changes (?) then done iirc
03:19:26 <loureir-or-not> i feel like the ports system does what i want with gentoo but i am not confined by the limits of windows
03:19:54 <loureir-or-not> i will admit, i love windows when i'm not doing anything crazy
03:19:55 <SponiX> handbook says "nvidia-driver" is what you need
03:20:03 <SponiX> and one line added to rc.conf
03:20:08 <loureir-or-not> i was close
03:20:36 <loureir-or-not> still really convenient that FBSD has official nvidia drivers
03:20:36 <SponiX> I'm on an AMD Card for my FreeBSD machine right now
03:21:12 <loureir-or-not> maybe that will mean that wayland works perfect (not sure though actually, maybe its different there)
03:21:13 <SponiX> Yeah, downloading directly from Nvidia can get you more up to date versions...
03:21:32 <loureir-or-not> i am fine living on i3 though, i've done it before.
03:21:36 <SponiX> loureir-or-not: I run Wayland on Nvidia with Fedora Linux Rawhide...
03:21:55 <SponiX> Right now I'm in xfce 4.20 on my FreeBSD Machine with X11
03:22:12 <loureir-or-not> interesting
03:22:13 <SponiX> I had a look at the Wayland portion of the FreeBSD handbook and it looked a bit too complicated for me
03:22:24 <loureir-or-not> its kind of a hardware software relationship slot machine
03:22:52 <loureir-or-not> maybe an nvidia rtx 4090 + nixos will work but when you change nixos to arch it completely fails
03:23:00 <loureir-or-not> (nixos-unstable mind you)
03:23:40 <loureir-or-not> but if you change out the card for a 4080 on arch... it will for some reason work?
03:24:07 <loureir-or-not> thats what i believe to be the hardware lottery
03:24:24 <SponiX> either should work fine on Arch, or any other Linux
03:24:41 <loureir-or-not> it should, for some it just doesnt for whatever reason
03:25:10 <SponiX> seems like you need to send them to me. I will test them for you. For a LONG Time ;)
03:26:20 <loureir-or-not> right, be prepared to witness satans cable management (in my pc)
03:26:39 <loureir-or-not> its clean at first, but you open the back and its another world
03:27:27 <loureir-or-not> the contrast between whats perceived as heaven (the glass side panel) and hell (the back side panel)
03:28:28 <loureir-or-not> anyway, getting the freebsd mem stick image (using a philips usb) right now
03:28:40 <loureir-or-not> sorry for the religious derail
03:29:38 <SponiX> wish you the best on your adventure
03:29:46 <loureir-or-not> cheers!
03:41:15 <SponiX> I'm setting here bored, so let me know if you need any help
04:06:07 <GoSox> i can i determine what version of freebsd i'm running?
04:06:12 <GoSox> "about this mac" for bsd
04:09:48 <GoSox> oh i literally found 'about this sytem' in kde, problem solved
04:33:10 <rtprio> GoSox: uname -a
05:15:24 <loureir-or-not> hey! freebsd is installed now!
05:16:56 <loureir-or-not> though... after enabling i915kms qnd nvidia-modeset, my screen freezes
05:17:16 <loureir-or-not> is it because i can't enable two things at once?
05:17:51 <loureir-or-not> well... two modesets?
05:17:59 <loureir-or-not> you get the idea
05:51:27 <rtprio> there can only be one
06:00:56 <loureir-or-not> popping back in just in case anyone answered the question w/o my knowledge
06:01:18 <loureir-or-not> i had the router shut off
06:03:02 <vyryls>  there can only be one
06:08:02 <loureir-or-not> oh, gotcha
06:08:19 <loureir-or-not> ill use the intel drivers
06:09:17 <loureir-or-not> booting into recovery cant be crazy harx
06:09:23 <loureir-or-not> its just renounting i hope
06:16:11 <rtprio> what recovery are you talking about? 'single user mode' ?
08:34:30 <loureir-or-not> Emacs has saved me lol
08:34:44 <loureir-or-not> managed to use single user mode enough to fix my video issue
08:35:10 <loureir-or-not> currently on nvidia drivers, seems intel drivers just freeze on boot
09:32:55 <vyryls> On a new system I'm downloading gitup via pkg to get the ports tree. I only need to build graphics/drm-kmod so it seems over the top to fetch the entire ports tree or is it mandatory to get the whole thing?
09:52:22 <nimaje> you only need the ports you want to build and the support inftrastructure they need from the ports tree, not sure if it leads to problems if subdirs referenced in top level or category makefiles are missing, but the ports tree is just recepies and not that big, about 1G here or ~3G for the full repository with history
10:00:14 <kfv> vyryls: haven't used gitup for quite a while, but you could do a git clone with depth 1 to keep it as small possible as you only need.
10:01:33 <kfv> Cos I doubt you could selectively (and quickly) fetch only those you need + the support infra.
10:15:38 <GoSox> on an intel Mac, I would tell it to boot off of a USB freebsd installer by holding the option key at boot, and then choosing the USB drive from the list of drives shown
10:16:01 <GoSox> how would I tell a 'generic' intel computer to boot off my usb freebsd installer? Like an HP rackmount x86 server?
10:24:50 <vkarlsen> GoSox: Early in the boot process, try pressing F1, F2, F10 or ESC. See if that gives you a menu to choose boot device
10:25:24 <GoSox> i don't have a non mac computer at this point, i was just wondering how its done on non-macs
10:25:37 <GoSox> if this test machine is successful, ill be buying probably a used hp server
10:25:48 <vkarlsen> Depends on the BIOS
10:40:59 <GoSox> do i want to add a new user, the first user on a new install, to any specific groups or just go with the default setting for the group?
10:41:21 <GoSox> i think later in the process ill have to add this user to a group to get the GUI working, i forget the details for that though
10:45:05 <nimaje> the handbook says you should be in video for Xorg, maybe you want your user in the wheel group and not sure why I decided to put my user in the operator group (maybe for shutdown)
10:52:24 <GoSox> wheel does sound familiar
10:52:32 <GoSox> ok thats enough freebsd config for one night
10:53:25 <GoSox> my poor macosx server is getting crushed by syn floods nearly constanatly, and it has hard drives with bad blocks. Its running out of time, i need to buckledown and get freebsd up and running
10:56:26 <mzar> go ahead and deploy FreeBSD ghere
10:56:28 <mzar> there
10:56:44 <GoSox> lol i gotta learn how to install it and set it up before i deploy it :)
10:56:51 <mzar> OK
11:16:44 <GoSox> the VPN is probably going to be the hard part
11:16:49 <GoSox> but i'm onwhere near that point yet
11:17:03 <GoSox> but i'm taking top notch notes
11:17:11 <mzar> harder than any other parts ?
11:17:16 <GoSox> i would think so
11:17:52 <mzar> that's probably erroneous assumption
11:18:11 <GoSox> here's a very on-topic question. The "memstick" download is about 1.5 GB and the "dvd" download is 4ish GB. What is the differnece between them?
11:18:25 <mzar> packages
11:18:41 <GoSox> mzar if i'm wrong about the vpn setup being hard, that will be great
11:18:57 <mzar> I believe so
11:58:27 <GoSox> mzar oh btw i was talking about a vpn server not a vpn client
12:01:00 <zip> I've been wondering if I could dual boot freebsd on the void laptop... which raises the question, do I have the prerequisites to get that working at all?
12:01:35 <zip> I've got my fat32 "boot" partition for Linux, after all, and I have zfsbootmenu and refit which should both be able to load up a kernel and boot them
12:02:00 <zip> so I _think_ I can just shove BSD kernels into my existing partition and give 'em enough to get the ZFS module up and running
12:25:27 <duncan> it is supposedly possible to boot the kernel with the kexec mechanism, but I believe they have to be built as ELF like on ppc64le. there is very little documentation about it for non-ppc
12:27:03 <zip> hm
12:27:17 <zip> I suppose worst case I can just grab a spare USB drive and boot off that to play with it
12:27:38 <duncan> also on PPC I believe ZFS may not be working because it's not using the bootloader
12:27:51 <zip> well, this is an x86-64
12:28:16 <duncan> i would not expect zfsbootmenu to know anything about freebsd
12:35:54 <zip> no, it would not
12:36:12 <zip> i guess it's a question of whether it needs to understand the linux kernel specifically
12:36:25 <zip> which I guess comes down to whether kernel command line arguments are passed in the same way, which is probably not the case
12:36:38 <zip> which brings me to refind I suppose
12:37:03 <zip> then there's the problem that zfs has an idea of what's supposed to be the root fs, so I'd need to make sure that freebsd uses its own root
12:39:32 <zip> probably not a worthwhile project compared to just installing it on an SD card or something
16:31:24 <nsoci> I like to give a try to emwm windows manager. I have in .xresourses settings for terminals. Is this okay? How are other settings? Complicated?
22:28:49 <mountainman1312> Is anyone familiar with flashing an Ergodox keyboard on FreeBSD? I'm rather new to FreeBSD and I'm getting tripped up on the part of adding udev rule files since it seems there's no such thing as udev here.
23:23:12 <nimaje> devd should cover most udev use cases, but it will work diffrently of course
23:40:07 <rhaberkorn> mountainman1312: Do you have some guide you're referring to? It might be faster to just boot into Linux or Windows for some one-off keyboard programming. NOTE: VirtualBox on FreeBSD can also pass-through USB devices like keyboards.
23:44:37 <mountainman1312> I've tried a few different ways. Tried following a guide just for QMK, also tried following the guide on the kb manufacturer's website. I think you're right, I'll just ask family to let me use their windows machine for a few minutes
23:44:59 <mason> mountainman1312: There's a QMK Discord that might have ideas.
23:45:26 <mountainman1312> mason: I'll check it out, thanks
23:45:41 <mason> mountainman1312: https://discord.gg/a9YUq9HT fwiw - proprietary platform, but sometimes you have to go where the community is
23:46:28 <mountainman1312> Yeah not a big fan but oh well
23:46:58 <mason> I'd avoided it for years but then had a job earlier this year that used it, so I had no choice.
23:49:09 <rhaberkorn> mountainman1312: I remember having flashed a custom QMK firmware on FreeBSD...
23:51:07 <rhaberkorn> That was using dfu-util, which is working fine. But it will depend on the concrete bootloader your board has. I suppose it should work exactly like on Linux. I guess the udev rule is just giving non-root access to the USB device node. You can probably just skip that and use sudo/doas