00:03:07 https://www.freshports.org/net/bsdrcmds/ 00:03:21 I wrote the maintainer and he told me he no longer has the time to take care of it 00:03:52 (there is a small bug since the package binaries were moved from /usr/bin to /usr/local/bin) 00:04:25 but in general it can be other packages in the future 00:04:31 Is there another active irc chan for freebsd-arm or mostly discussed here? 00:05:35 Trying to find other users/devs working on pwm/power/te,p drivers for the bcm soc 00:05:45 s/te,p/temp 00:09:31 Tenkawa: efnet#bsdmips maybe ? 00:10:19 Ahh good idea 00:10:28 https://wiki.freebsd.org/Torrents is lagging... NO 14.2 yet -- get your shit together :P 00:10:38 I thought I was forgetting one.. thanks 00:11:52 HER: I'm actually quite pleased how well it runs so far on the RPI5 with NVMe so far.. just needs some tweaks 00:17:45 HER: did you the see the package? 00:18:48 uskerine: no 00:20:26 I wrote it above, since you asked I thought you would want to see which one was it 00:25:36 uskerine: there is porters handbook for that, miles long and very good 00:26:26 metric miles 00:26:29 :p 00:29:16 I am opening it, it is very difficult to port a package provided that it compiles out of the box? 00:30:02 but what would be rsh usage in 2024? 00:30:09 usecase 00:30:41 I use rlogin everyday in my develeopment LAN environment, it is simple and I can forward the X11 with no drama and no overhead 00:30:50 and I would like to use rcp too, but I can not because of the bug 00:33:34 I also write some tools that might be encapsulated and reusable enough to be interesting to some people out there 00:34:36 so it is not just this particular package 00:35:28 hmm 00:35:36 at rsh 00:35:40 maybe 00:36:28 I have a desktop and a couple of servers with jails, rlogin allows me to move easily from the desktop to the jails 00:36:59 and since it is a controlled environment, you do not need ssh/scp 00:37:16 i'm surprised tho 00:37:28 rsh might have some usages in developing systems too, since you could launch things in another jail 00:38:16 i have used plaintext nfs actually 00:38:20 It is not used anymore, but I am sure other people are using, just they do not mention 00:38:26 locally 00:39:29 funnily was aware of rsh 23 years ago 00:39:43 but ssh was already in use 00:40:01 the r commands are a thing from the 80s 00:40:29 sure 00:40:34 but I think simply people defaults to ssh even in situations where rsh/rlogin/rcp might make more sense 00:40:59 you can also write your own remote services with rsh, it has niche cases 00:42:19 i grew up with ssh to extent that i ssh into local vms 00:42:22 :p 00:42:50 now, that's not bad habit 00:43:17 I think I marginally used rsh/rlogin as a user in the mid 90s in Sun workstations at the university, but it was already a legacy thing 00:43:49 somebody implemented none encryption in openssh tho 00:43:55 for perf 00:44:15 * checkpoint still uses rsync 00:44:35 everyone uses rsync 00:45:34 to be honest i've used rsync in windows machine to copy files betweem two local disks 00:46:01 * Tenkawa is really feeling old with his token ring and X.25 usage back in the day 00:46:41 i think i'm too young for uni in mid 90s 00:46:50 if it makes you feel any good Tenkawa, I had a former colleague at work that used to receive the service orders via telex 00:47:16 ice 00:47:17 he worked at Philips, installing x.25 stuff for banks 00:47:20 er Nice 00:47:25 although it might have been good idea to put me somewhere at age of 12 00:47:47 Yeah I was at AT&T/NCR/Lucent 00:48:02 I started on those thogh much younger 00:48:25 I came to industry later, but I still had to learn -and configure at the lab- x.25 stuff at the university 00:48:35 but that was already clearly legacy stuff 00:48:52 uskerine: heheh I hear ya 00:48:53 just nobody mention uucico, y'hear? 00:49:12 haahaa 00:49:46 actually it's to my relief that some of those technologies are gone 00:50:10 somehow 00:55:41 jgh: don't forget fidonet as well 00:57:04 ahhhh, ka9q 00:57:21 r9laj 00:58:39 been using ax25 and fbb 01:01:22 ketas: in an rsync context, rsh is just a useful way to communicate the concept of an rsh-like thing 01:01:38 from an rsync perspective, there's no practical difference between rsh and ssh 01:02:05 it's just the tunnel via which you execute the server-side rsync on the remote machine to conduct the transfer 01:02:13 s/tunnel/conduit/, maybe, to avoid nitpicking 01:02:51 What's the right thing to do when ZFS reports that your block size isn't correct: nda0 ONLINE 0 0 0 block size: 512B configured, 32768B native 01:30:43 last1: "yep, with Docker" Aka, how to distribute your software the wrong way. 04:36:30 crb: i have a few VMs like that; not sure there is anything to do 08:35:14 uskerine: its pretty easy. you are welcome to bug me in #freebsd-ports with questions (or anybody else ofc) 08:37:27 crb: check the block size of the h/w device, if possible I would recreate the pool with the correct blocksize. 08:37:45 atm every 0,5K write will rewrite a full 32K block. 08:38:01 if the blocksize matches, then zfs will be smarter. 08:38:35 imagine writing a 64k chunk to a file, you can either write 2 32K blocks (and the parent blocks also, because CoW) 08:39:04 or 128 0,5K writes that actually each cause a 32K to be written physically on the device 08:41:10 crb: I am interested in the nvme device in use here. you may find some lowlevel parameter that lets you tune this. 08:41:17 https://kernelnewbies.org/KernelProjects/large-block-size#Increase_in_block_sizes_on_flash_storage was very informative for me 08:56:53 crb: this is the definitive article https://openzfs.github.io/openzfs-docs/Performance%20and%20Tuning/Workload%20Tuning.html#alignment-shift-ashift but my suspicion is that this nvme device block size is not actually 32k. more common would be 4k or possibly 16k. 08:57:21 crb: a low level nvme format might be possible, I have not needed this in the past so never tried it 08:58:44 crb: the actual command is https://man.freebsd.org/nvmecontrol 09:29:27 Guten Morgen dch! 09:29:54 * dch waves to Oclair servus 12:01:56 yep, nvmecontrol identify on namespace should show the list of LBA formats, and the current one 13:33:52 Oclair: you are German? 13:41:49 when we getting tea 13:42:20 err...wrong buffer, sorry :-| 14:42:25 https://stackoverflow.com/questions/79244484/how-can-you-use-awk-to-replace-a-pattern-with-an-environment-variable 15:06:57 You should never need to low-level format a block device, unless you're making a change to the block size. 15:07:52 Dealt with this when borrowing Fibre Channel drives from SAN/NAS kit to install on a Windows server. 15:08:26 The SAN/NAS technology used 520 bytes/block, and PCs used 512. 16:08:02 CrtxReavr: was the 512b fs 520b disks solely to piss everyone off or they used ecc there or why? 16:11:45 and did they split a byte and bit for that 16:11:47 There was a technical reason for it. . . I think it was some checksum value or something. 16:12:21 I prefer my 4096 ones personally but anything that uses u-boot and sbi (I do a lot of risc-v and arm stuff) is really annoying to work woth them 16:12:33 s/woth/with