00:34:57 <luke_jobless_sb> hello I wrote FreeBSD: { url: "pkg+http://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/latest" } in /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf and it does not find any package
00:35:49 <luke_jobless_sb> pkg update -f
00:39:52 <luke_jobless_sb> I get "pkg: No packages available to install matching ..."
00:47:39 <luke_jobless_sb> it works now. thank you!
01:24:31 <luke_jobless_sb> my jail is out of control i can't stop it: service jail stop foo
01:24:59 <luke_jobless_sb> I get Stopping jails: foo: jail_attach: Operation not permitted
01:25:12 <luke_jobless_sb> I get "Stopping jails: foo: jail_attach: Operation not permitted" what could be the issue?
01:26:29 <luke_jobless_sb> is this true freedom to jail user? invisible container with full privacy
01:28:39 <luke_jobless_sb> hopefully nothing to do with 14.0
01:33:05 <luke_jobless_sb>  freebsd-version -u
01:33:09 <luke_jobless_sb> sorrty
01:37:19 <sixpiece> hello I am having the following issue
01:37:38 <sixpiece> trying to add swap space and $ sudo gpart create -s GPT vtbd1
01:42:22 <sixpiece> https://docs.vultr.com/how-to-add-swap-memory-on-freebsd-14-0
01:44:37 <luke_jobless_sb> sixpiece: what do you see: $ [ -e /dev/vtbd1 ] && echo 'si'
01:45:02 <sixpiece> nothing
01:45:06 <luke_jobless_sb> lol
01:45:26 <sixpiece> just a new line
01:45:42 <luke_jobless_sb> sorry. you have another device corresponds to vtbd1 in the example
01:46:18 <luke_jobless_sb> in the example it uses the device 'vtbd1' but your system have another device rather than one you found in the example
01:48:06 <sixpiece> would it be vtnet0?
01:48:26 <sixpiece> nothing either
01:48:38 <luke_jobless_sb> sixpiece: i don't know. it's up to what disks you have
01:50:28 <sixpiece> ok so what do I do?
02:02:15 <luke_jobless_sb> sixpiece: 1. determine which dev you want to have swap space 2. try the same command with the device name
02:02:45 <luke_jobless_sb> sixpiece: feel free to ask
02:03:30 <sixpiece> what do you mean by that which dev you want to have swap space?
02:03:49 <sixpiece> what is a dev I know I see it but don't know more than that
02:04:27 <sixpiece> like dev/sda1 dev/sda2 etc.. on different virtual machines but I don't know more than that really
02:05:46 <luke_jobless_sb> sixpiece: yes the numbered device name you see under the path /dev represent virtual/physical device. some of them represent storage or disk which you want to have the swap space in
02:06:47 <luke_jobless_sb> by the way if you are not individually doing it, if this is part of your company work, you can alway consult me professionally. I can help more thoroughly
02:07:10 <luke_jobless_sb> i want to get paid though. i need a job
02:08:36 <luke_jobless_sb> if not, that's also ok. i still help no worries
02:09:23 <sixpiece> thank you, yes I am also looking for work
02:10:16 <luke_jobless_sb> sixpiece: easy way could be what device did you get after you phyiscally or virtually attach a new volume?
02:11:56 <sixpiece> I have a virtual private cloud 2gb 1 core cpu and 55gb disk space shared
02:12:10 <luke_jobless_sb> sixpiece: try: $ df -h
02:12:33 <sixpiece> https://videotron.eu/pastebin/?36b7d5d5cfd400ee#5vKu6SJ8pYhCJZMzJeEUMaWRJm3Jrny6nS3zxPwwrC14
02:13:47 <luke_jobless_sb> sixpiece: try: $ uname -a
02:16:02 <sixpiece> FreeBSD videotron.eu 14.1-RELEASE FreeBSD 14.1-RELEASE releng/14.1-n267679-10e31f0946d8 GENERIC amd64
02:17:21 <luke_jobless_sb> sixpiece: ok try: $ gpart list
02:19:32 <sixpiece> https://videotron.eu/pastebin/?90f9b21f4f04a634#AaMZuYrUrDpEaZCX2UToMXQwgWWRDaPU6mz6dYixFSNS
02:21:10 <luke_jobless_sb> sixpiece: so you only have volume 'vtbd0' already formatted in ufs on latest FreeBSD.
02:21:47 <sixpiece> sounds correct
02:22:59 <jmnbtsls1E> the easiest way to check the presence of your new device, if you attached one, is to ls /dev
02:23:27 <luke_jobless_sb> sixpiece: in brief reading of the tutorial you showed, it seems it expect you to have an additional volume attach
02:24:26 <sixpiece> I am not sure about that tutorial it's really a thread that I posted that motivated this
02:24:35 <luke_jobless_sb> sixpiece: meaning that when you have a new volume (same kind of your root volume) you will have vtbd1 and you would not have any problem
02:24:43 <sixpiece> https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/website-not-working-memory-and-harddisk-consumption-keeps-increasing.95708/#post-679746
02:25:00 <sixpiece> it's a lot to read but basically they suggested a swap memory it seems
02:25:44 <sixpiece> so is there a solution to this ? like redimensioning the drives?
02:25:53 <sixpiece> this is a virtual disk correct?
02:27:02 <luke_jobless_sb> sixpiece: if you don't want to have additional volume, you can also partition the root volume to spare. you will lose the current system though since it overrides
02:27:44 <luke_jobless_sb> sixpiece: do you see that your second paste board "2. Name: vtbd0p2"
02:28:23 <sixpiece> there is no way I am going to start again fresh to do this this took me years to get here...
02:28:33 <luke_jobless_sb> sixpiece: that's the filesystem takes up all rest of your volume.
02:29:10 <sixpiece> interesting
02:30:18 <luke_jobless_sb> sixpiece: what was so difficult to take you years for it?
02:30:55 <luke_jobless_sb> sixpiece: something i can help for partitioning at the reinstall?
02:31:21 <sixpiece> getting the sendmail to work, opendkim , etc.. php-fpm etc..
02:32:48 <luke_jobless_sb> sixpiece: I see. it seems important. why don't add an extra volume?
02:33:12 <sixpiece> https://termbin.com/q64n
02:33:44 <sixpiece> ok I will try
02:35:03 <sixpiece> can it be hdd?
02:35:07 <sixpiece> or it should be nvme?
02:36:12 <luke_jobless_sb> sixpiece: is this vm?
02:36:24 <sixpiece> yes
02:36:49 <luke_jobless_sb> sixpiece: on cloud? vultr?
02:37:02 <sixpiece> yes
02:37:26 <luke_jobless_sb> sixpiece: do they provide the volume of your choice?
02:37:38 <sixpiece> I can add a block volume
02:38:00 <luke_jobless_sb> sixpiece: yes. once you add, you will see what's new in the commnad: gpart list
02:38:02 <sixpiece> yes either hdd or nvme and I choose the size 1$ for 10gb of nvme or 40gb hdd
02:38:22 <sixpiece> how much space do I need?
02:39:01 <sixpiece> 7gb nvme is enough? or I need more?
02:39:32 <luke_jobless_sb> sixpiece: i remember swap space in linux was something to do with factor of ram size but not sure if this is the case
02:40:36 <luke_jobless_sb> sixpiece: let's stick to the example you can have less than 7g
02:42:11 <luke_jobless_sb> sixpiece: did you do: $ swapinfo
02:42:36 <luke_jobless_sb> sixpiece: my machine has even if i didn't pay attention at the installation
02:43:42 <sixpiece> yes four times the ram so it should be like 8 I think according to the manual
02:45:16 <sixpiece> sorry double the size
02:45:58 <luke_jobless_sb> sixpiece: make sure you don't get any out put from command: $ swapinfo
02:46:31 <luke_jobless_sb> sixpiece: I installed and I didn't even know I have swap space
02:48:05 <luke_jobless_sb> sixpiece: also my swap space is set 1/10 of root volume. I don't have any idea of how I did so
02:49:20 <sixpiece> interesting I am trying to attach it now not sure how exactly
02:50:28 <luke_jobless_sb> sixpiece: that's your cloud platform. I can't help
02:52:52 <sixpiece> interesting understood
03:00:40 <sixpiece> the instructions don't work...
03:00:45 <sixpiece> I will open a ticket
03:02:10 <sixpiece> thank you very much going to sleep soon or now I guess...
03:14:50 <luke_jobless_sb> sixpiece: you're welcome.
04:06:57 <Soni> we asked this in a few places without much of a satisfactory response (except we did almost give someone a stroke apparently) but, what does POSIX, or at least freebsd, have to say about this usage of sockets? https://chaos.social/@SoniEx2/113495834154945337
04:26:14 <luke_jobless_sb> does anyone know if root on '/dev/ttyu' always have permission denied at the use 'jail_attach'?. if so, is this intended? if it's intended, do you know the reason?
04:44:30 <zijjgfs> Soni, it's kind of a stupid question no offense.  To answer your question you should start with reading the source for SYS_socket:  https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-src/blob/main/sys/kern/uipc_syscalls.c#L131
07:54:13 <luke_jobless_sb> any pf expert? I ask to ask because I am not answered any how. worth to ask to ask before ask here
07:57:18 <luke_jobless_sb> oh i figured though. thanks.
07:58:42 <luke_jobless_sb> I have another question though
08:05:35 <luke_jobless_sb> It does not need to be an expert since I'm an idiot
08:10:27 <luke_jobless_sb> ;p
08:17:58 <luke_jobless_sb> I figured out. thanks
11:02:57 <Soni> zijjgfs: so it is UB to use an fd after it's allocated but before it's initialized?
13:46:45 <zijjgfs> Soni:  depends on who's defining said behavior
13:49:04 <zijjgfs> for freebsd?  i do not see any such conditions mentioned in `man 2 socket`.  so it's behavior that has been left undefined (implicitly)
13:50:33 <zijjgfs> but you're free to look at the implementation of kern_socket(), and if you find it deficient in how you think the scenario ought to be handled, you're welcome to create a patch for it.
14:28:54 <zip> say, do I need to do anything to secure the root account in a jail?
14:32:01 <zip> I can see that we start out with no password, but SSH won't permit root login, `su` users need to be in `wheel` which utility accounts shouldn't be, and presumably there's no ttys running getty
14:32:23 <zip> is this actually secure by default or do I need to set a root password for every jail?
14:50:33 <zip> I suppose I could simply assume the worst and write a tool that yells at me if I have a jail without a root password
15:04:13 <ivy> zip: you should set a password or disable password login (i.e., set the password hash to '*').  i recommend the latter as you never need to log in as root on a jail, you use jexec.  i don't think this is secure by default or really intentional at all, it just happens to not open an obvious remote vulnerability due to sshd default configuration
15:14:12 <l00py> i used cloned_interfaces in netif service to create taps for each vm. if i add some more taps can i simply service netif reload to get them initialized? and if so, will that drop existing connections?
15:58:23 <koolkat332> hello
15:58:50 <koolkat332> my freebsd vm cannot connect to the internet after a reboot
16:00:11 <koolkat332> ping 8.8.8.8 works but name does not resolve for some reason
16:00:39 <vkarlsen> koolkat332: cat /etc/resolv.conf
16:02:00 <vkarlsen> koolkat332: The resolvconf service might be tripping you up
16:02:19 <koolkat332> nameserver 8.8.8.8
16:03:02 <zip> ivy: i figured as much. i guess I'll do that before I take the template snapshot
16:03:18 <vkarlsen> koolkat332: Ok, does `host freebsd.org 8.8.8.8` work?
16:04:00 <zip> honestly I'm half wondering if I should just install void on this machien and run all my services in podman
16:04:14 <koolkat332> connection timed out no servers could be reached i removed the stuff that was commented out in
16:04:25 <koolkat332> resolv.conf
16:04:36 <koolkat332> and deleted the 8.8.8.8 entry but can readd it
16:04:39 <zip> but also half this project is just trying to get myself to stop being quiiiite such a docker-brained admin
16:05:58 <koolkat332> I also added a block storage in the hope of getting a swap
16:06:53 <koolkat332> everything is failed
16:10:10 <koolkat332> permission denied on a ping
16:12:22 <koolkat332> it was ipfw
16:18:01 <l00py> btw no we can't add more tap interfaces to cloned_interfaces and just restart netif service and routing service. that sucks
16:18:11 <l00py> wish we could dynamically reconfigure that without having to reboot
16:18:38 <voy4g3r2> really?
16:21:19 <voy4g3r2> cloned_interfaces="bridge0"
16:21:59 <voy4g3r2> ifconfig tap0 create
16:22:07 <voy4g3r2> ifconfig_bridge0="addm tap0 up"
16:31:50 <l00py> not what i said
16:38:36 <luke_jobless_sb> I thought bsdinstall cli was changed but it was the differnce between ttys
17:02:24 <Soni> can you exploit the kernel via careful manipulation of file descriptor initialization in multithreading?
20:34:51 <rwp> If l00py comes back perhaps someone could mention that after "service netif restart" they also need "service routing restart" too.  That's likely what they are missing, no default gateway route.
21:02:43 <uskerine> FreeBSD specific question: I am trying kevent's for first time to monitor when a file changes. I get the event working flawlessly when the file is modified by a program but if I modify it manually in vim, the events are not triggered. Any idea or hint on why? https://bpa.st/5N5Q
21:07:04 <satanist> uskerine: have you saved the changes you make with vim?
21:08:18 <uskerine> satanist of course
21:10:38 <ivy> uskerine: vim may be unlinking the file and re-creating it rather than modifying it in place, i can't remember off hand if it does that by default
21:11:29 <uskerine> same if I change it using dd
21:11:37 <uskerine> it does not work
21:11:40 <uskerine> this is extremely weird
21:12:15 <vkarlsen> vim juggles temp files, no?
21:12:55 <vkarlsen> dd however should be rawdogging it
21:13:40 <uskerine> there muyst be something else
21:13:51 <uskerine> I also tried a basic C program and same
21:14:00 <uskerine> but it works flawlesly in the original main program
21:14:31 <uskerine>     /* REGISTER THE KQUEUE FILE DESCRIPTOR WITH THE XT EVENT LOOP */
21:14:31 <uskerine>     XtAppAddInput(appContext, kq, (XtPointer)XtInputReadMask, eventfile_callback, (XtPointer)client_data);
21:15:01 <uskerine> could it be that I am registering the callback in the Xt loop
21:17:34 <satanist> have you tried the sample out of the manpage?
21:19:24 <uskerine> I need to register it using XtAppAddInput, is a X11/Xt app, if I do it normally it will block the X11 app
21:25:30 <uskerine> I think I am missing something relevant here
21:25:52 <uskerine> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/71655596/select-works-but-kqueue-doesnt-when-waiting-on-x11-connection
21:27:23 <uskerine> where can I learn more about kevents related to file changes?
21:33:08 <satanist> in the manpage: kqueue(2)
21:33:34 <satanist> search for EVFILT_VNODE
21:45:40 <uskerine> ok my fault --partially--
21:45:44 <uskerine> the plain C program works
21:45:53 <uskerine> VIM no, because it seems to change the inode (I check with stat)
21:47:07 <uskerine> same for dd
21:47:14 <uskerine> the tests I did with dd and C were not properly done
21:47:17 <uskerine> and vim changes the inode
21:47:26 <uskerine> good, gravity remains in place