02:22:04 <SNAX_74> If you hold a Unix shell up to your ear..can you hear the C ?
02:40:04 <johnjaye> T_T
02:40:06 <johnjaye> lol
02:46:54 <kevans> it hurts
02:46:55 <kevans> <_<
06:57:47 <|cos|> Could someone please validate my understanding on this. On a default install different boot environments can have different kernels, right? They are just files under the /boot folder on the root file-system?
06:59:58 <|cos|> (I'm asking since the bootloader no longer seems to find a kernel which to me is obviously still there.)
07:10:46 <mzar> |cos|: boot environments is more than kernel, but yes, different boot environments can have different kernels
07:14:29 <mzar> consider boot environment as complete OS
07:16:02 <user123> has anyone run ircd in a jail system before?
07:17:07 <luke_jobless_sb> if so, what have you done? ssl at the nginx proxy jail or ssl on the ircd jail?
07:20:49 <|cos|> mzar: Thanks. It might be a usability issue in the bootloader, with it pointing to the no longer valid kernel of the previously selected BE. Circling through all the kernels back to the one presented by an identical string results in a working boot.
07:40:34 <mzar> |cos|: so it worked? same here, booting non-default kernel from non-standard BE should be supported
07:46:08 <|cos|> mzar: It works. Confusing though, and I guess extra confusing when freebsd-version spits out an error about missing kernel (which I believe only meants non-existent /boot/kernel).
08:30:52 <radhitya> good afternoon. \o/
08:31:27 <radhitya> currently reading about jail
08:31:43 <radhitya> i never touched jails even though i'm freebsd user
08:36:03 <vkarlsen> Here's a funny one. `pkg install netdata` wants to delete kde5. https://paste.karlsen.tech/?b96787d16e3af5ae#3briVN5A7794v4K1FGdALBZxN5P7cTwPRGkd9Kk6duNn
09:26:04 <dandyn> http://paste.tclhelp.net/?id=72dl  <-- may I need to change something?
15:12:36 <voy4g3r2> hello everyone, i have recently tried to update /usr/ports/jellyfin package and i am receiving an unsupported version for this package. Would anyone else be able to confirm that it is an issue with the port vs my machine? i have done a git pull and i am on 14.1-p5 release.. but yet still get this error
15:15:11 <voy4g3r2> which could be confirmd with a simple make install clean.. this is happening on multiple machines..
15:36:15 <nerozero> Hi there, after updating to 14.1 I never managed to set proper shell settings to a root user
15:36:27 <nerozero> eg ~/.profile not ~/.shrc never loaded ...
15:54:39 <mzar> nerozero: it's a bug, please search for relevant PR
15:55:01 <nerozero> mzar, tnx
15:55:12 <mzar> nerozero: you can change default shell to {t,}csh and everything will be fine
15:55:30 <nerozero> ya, but i dont like csh
15:55:41 <nerozero> . ~/.shrc works fine
15:55:53 <nerozero> will wait till be patched
15:55:56 * mzar is addicted to tcsh
15:56:00 <nerozero> thank you for reply
15:56:07 * nerozero fish 
15:56:29 * Tenkawa still prefers bash (yeah yeah I know I'm odd... but noone likes ksh anymore)
15:57:28 <nerozero> pure sh is awesome !
15:58:23 <mzar> it's good for scripting
16:02:59 <mzar> nerozero: I could mislead you
16:03:30 <nerozero> :)
16:03:37 <mzar> nerozero: only "set -o vi" is ignored in .shrc
16:03:39 <nerozero> yeh
16:03:54 <mzar> but I can't find PR
16:04:06 <mzar> so maybe it wasn't reported yet
16:04:47 <nerozero> Then I will make a new thread on freebsd forum and post the link here afterwards, but will do that tomorrow, i need to update some more servers ... :)
16:04:55 <nerozero> thank you so much!
16:05:05 <nerozero> FreeBSD community is awesome !
17:12:51 <dandyn> there's so many json packages :D
17:13:07 <dandyn> which one to pick?
17:13:20 <dandyn> for json support ?
17:47:26 <Tenkawa> I'm impressed how well the RPI support is working on 15... I'm testing on a 4 atm... about to try out one of my 5's
17:53:21 <|cos|> dandyn: what do you mean when you say "json support"?
17:54:28 <dandyn> I solved that, it needed tcllib
17:56:07 <dandyn> but, shouldn't one be able to use .tclsh from shell if one have tcl90-9.0.0 (Tool Command Language) package added ?
18:04:50 <dandyn> |cos| help me out :)
18:52:25 <|cos|> dandyn: I have no idea.
22:07:27 <gewt> the installer doesn't time out or anything if the verification pass for distribution sets takes awhile, right?
22:07:50 <gewt> installing via a 40mbit up link's not gonna be fasyt. :P
22:46:52 <ivy> i'm confused, i built a new 15.0 pkgbase image, and built a new set of packages with poudriere, but i still get this
22:46:53 <ivy> [12!] amaranth ~# pkg
22:46:54 <ivy> ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libmd.so.6" not found, required by "pkg"
22:47:41 <ivy> even weirder:
22:47:43 <ivy> [1? 20!] amaranth ~# ldd /usr/local/sbin/pkg|grep libmd
22:47:43 <ivy>         libmd.so.6 => not found (0)
22:47:43 <ivy>         libmd.so.7 => /lib/libmd.so.7 (0x2a7d599fb000)
22:49:06 <ivy> ah wait, i think this is the poudriere bug where it doesn't correctly recreate the @clean shapshot after updating the jail, so the upgrade doesn't effect
22:50:31 <Tenkawa> Well now my PI5 is up and running nicely on 15 current...
22:52:26 <ivy> Tenkawa: is PI5 in this context = Raspberry Pi 5?  i thought that didn't support freebsd
22:52:37 <Tenkawa> Yeah...
22:52:41 <Tenkawa> works fine
22:53:12 <Tenkawa> It doesn't support all the hw yet..
22:53:32 <ivy> what doesn't work?  if it does NVMe, Ethernet perhaps i will buy one to desk
22:53:35 <ivy> er, test
22:53:36 <Tenkawa> but enough to do what I need to start porting
22:53:38 <ZedHedTed> are you logged into IRC from the pi5?
22:54:03 <Tenkawa> ZedHedTed: no this is my mbp... I'm running a buildworld on it atm
22:54:32 <ivy> although i really came to hate the rpi4 so i don't know i want that to be my upgrade path
22:55:09 <Tenkawa> ivy: in theory yes with the nvme however I do warn you if you haven't seen the pi5 nvme options yet they aren't for everyone anyway
22:55:21 <ZedHedTed> Tenkawa: does freebsd recognize the ethernet port on the pi5?
22:55:28 <Tenkawa> ZedHedTed: no
22:55:36 <Tenkawa> I use usb ones
22:56:07 <Tenkawa> I am going to debug that first probably
22:57:21 <ZedHedTed> i just looked up the specs. apparently the pi5 has wifi on it too.
22:57:47 <Tenkawa> I am just looking for something to mess around with... since newer RISC-V support is way out there still
22:57:49 <ZedHedTed> Tenkawa: is wifi also not working? i'd be surprised if it actually is
22:58:16 <Tenkawa> No... Broadcom is going  to be a problem...
22:58:30 <Tenkawa> (with wifi on almost everything)
22:59:04 <Tenkawa> I still run into brcm driver issues in Linux even now
23:00:03 <Tenkawa> I'll be happy if  I can get one of my usb wifi dongles working though
23:00:26 <Tenkawa> I have a 3 port USB3 switch hooked up
23:03:19 <ZedHedTed> same here, on the dongle part. when running freebsd on my recent dell inspiron 15, everything works except the wifi & the touch screen.
23:03:57 <ZedHedTed> the internal wireless card isn't recognized, and even the USB wifi dongle i bought after checking the list of compatible devices isn't recognized.
23:04:23 <ZedHedTed> once i'm well again, i'm gonna look through the the relevant parts of the handbook again.
23:04:24 <Tenkawa> Yeah I was impressed enough that all I needed was the efi loader and 15 image and it loaded right up
23:05:23 <Tenkawa> I will work on trying to put one of my nvme drives in the mix in the next few days (all 4 of my pi5's use them)
23:07:39 <ZedHedTed> gl
23:09:10 <Tenkawa> Thanks... fortunately this is what I work on all day so I have lots of time to commit on it..
23:12:54 <ZedHedTed> Tenkawa: is it a paid job for you? i'm kinda jealous if it is...
23:13:11 <Tenkawa> No... I'm retired.. its a hobby
23:13:27 <Tenkawa> It was my job for most of my career though
23:14:18 <Tenkawa> I focused on Linux kernel and Telecom software development.
23:17:11 <ZedHedTed> nice
23:18:32 <ZedHedTed> i'm 28 and work full time in school IT, so getting all the components working on freebsd or ghostbsd is gonna be a weekend project
23:19:29 <Tenkawa> Fun project though... I have a ton of SBC's around here... that's what I focus on now..
23:57:22 <ivy> fricking poudriere, now what is going on? https://i.imgur.com/HrIOdpK.png