01:19:13 <ober> and ath9k is not supported...
01:35:54 <kevans> nimaje: I think formally we only guarantee from N-1 major release, but typically N-2 will work as well
01:46:39 <ScrewDriver1337> wasup gentlemen
01:46:52 <ScrewDriver1337> How do I do IPv6 in PF? Just like with IPv4?
01:47:03 <ScrewDriver1337> Any caveats I should know before?
02:00:51 <oprs> ScrewDriver1337: be mindful of ICMPv6, IPv6 relies on it pretty heavily (path MTU discovery, etc), much more so than IPv4 does on ICMP
02:01:11 <oprs> and of coure, read The Book of PF, if you haven't already :-)
02:02:42 <jauntyd> debdrup: I just thought you all had a system and I didn't want to interfere. ty
02:17:46 <ScrewDriver1337> Well, currently I dont know jack shit about IPv6, so I gotta disable it completely
03:04:18 <ivy> ScrewDriver1337: without checking the manual, i think 'block in quick inet6' / 'block out quick inet6' should probably work
03:04:42 <ivy> alternatively, configure your network interfaces with "inet6 ifdisabled" to prevent them bring up ipv6 at all (this may even be the default, not sure)
03:05:28 <ScrewDriver1337> I need to secure my NFS and other services. I know IPv4 and can trust my knowledge here, but I cannot say same for IPv6
03:06:04 <ScrewDriver1337> So until I learn IPv6 - I will block it
05:52:16 <Bushmaster> greetings all, i am planning to install FreeBSD, is it gonna be hard work?
05:54:11 <la_mettrie> probably not
05:57:25 <jb1277976> Bushmaster: its easier then you think. like easier then some linux installs.. probably eaiser
05:59:44 <Bushmaster> excellent, can I install it in Proxmox VE?
06:00:16 <Bushmaster> thanks jb1277976
10:40:49 <debdrup> jauntyd: I've no clue what you're on about :)
11:07:02 <Bushmaster> Installing FreeBSD, so far all going fine
11:09:00 <Hecate> Bushmaster: \o/
11:10:37 <Bushmaster> just a quick question Hecate will UNIX commands will work in FreeBSD right?
11:11:22 <Bushmaster> I borrowed a book from library, its old book in UNIX Commands, I wonder those commands will work with BSD
11:17:04 <futune_> how old UNIX? from the 80s? 90s?
11:17:06 <polarian> https://www.freshports.org/editors/vscode/ ugh... no quarterly, it seems latest always has the built ports, is it better to use latest on desktop then?
11:26:32 <Hecate> Bushmaster: how old is the book?
11:26:54 <Hecate> Bushmaster: in general I'd recommend getting a book about FreeBSD proper, or even just getting the manual
11:49:08 <polarian> I should really start contributing to the port tree :/
11:49:33 <polarian> question, if a port has a maintainer, and the maintainer hasn't yet submitted a patch to bugs.freebsd.org, is it fine for you to write a patch to update/fix it and then submit it to bugs.freebsd.org?
11:55:34 <Bushmaster> I installed FreeBSD but something gone wrong
11:57:53 <Bushmaster> I can log in with user and root account but it keeps throwing me some message
11:58:51 <Bushmaster> bsd ntpd[687] : error resolving pool 2. freebsd.pool.ntp.org : Name does not resolve (8)
11:59:21 <psycorama> this looks like a "kernel" message, these are always printed on tty1
11:59:59 <psycorama> is your network setup properly?
12:00:08 <Bushmaster> the message keeps coming every after minutes
12:01:08 <Bushmaster> well i declared statis IP 192.168.1.75, default route 192.168.1.1 and netmask 192.168.1.0/24
12:01:50 <psycorama> do the outputs of `ifconfig` and `netstat -rn` look ok?
12:01:57 <psycorama> the netmask looks strange.
12:02:15 <Bushmaster> and then it ask for resolver configuration and i put down bsd.unix.com and DNS 1 : 192.168.1.1
12:02:21 <Bushmaster> left DNS 2 blank
12:02:38 <psycorama> netmask should be 255.255.255.0
12:02:47 <Bushmaster> i could do 255.255.255.0
12:03:16 <Bushmaster> yeah i did that but it did something i cant remember so that i thought i go with 192.168.1.0/24
12:03:31 <Bushmaster> so you think this caused the issue right
12:03:43 <Bushmaster> may be should go with DHCP then to save all the hassle
12:03:56 <Bushmaster> kill it and reinstall again?
12:04:11 <psycorama> it looks like a thing to me. dhcp is the easier part, when you have a dhcp-server in your network
12:04:12 <Bushmaster> it canot connect to internet or do SSH now
12:04:30 <Bushmaster> yeah gonna kill it now
12:05:25 <psycorama> you could fix it https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/network/#config-dynamic-ip-v4
12:05:42 <Bushmaster> i just killed it
12:05:49 <Bushmaster> gonna install back on in Proxmox
12:05:56 <Bushmaster> go with DHCP this time
12:47:45 <Bushmaster> that issue is gone but now new issue
12:47:56 <Bushmaster> if i type su it wont let me root
12:47:59 <Bushmaster> saying sorry
12:48:54 <Bushmaster> how I can be root then, i did declare root password during installation
12:53:28 <Alver> "Sorry" would indicate you typed the wrong password
12:53:55 <stl> Bushmaster: the user from which you are trying to 'su' should be in the 'wheel' group
12:54:49 <Bushmaster> i did put user in wheel group
12:54:54 <paulf> wheel doesn't get sudo access out of the box, you need to modify sudoers with visudo first
12:55:04 <Alver> This is about su, not sudo.
12:55:38 <Alver> Bushmaster: and if you do 'id' it shows you in the wheel group?
12:56:11 <Bushmaster> hang on
12:59:05 <Bushmaster> https://dpaste.com/E4TENCGEN
13:02:31 <Alver> Bushmaster: the user is not in the wheel group as you can tell
13:03:39 <Bushmaster> now that I cannot get into root, I am screwed to fix this issue right?
13:04:27 <Alver> You can get into root by logging in locally on the machine, I would hope. :)
13:04:42 <Alver> Or via SSH, but that's (iirc) not enabled by default
13:05:57 <Bushmaster> so reboot this VM and put root and root password right
13:10:07 <ridcully> isn't uid=1000 in wheel by default?
13:11:07 <Bushmaster> now  I logged in as root but this machine where i am talking to you folks is Debian and I cannot ssh as root from this machine like before
13:11:39 <Bushmaster> but I am root in FreeBSD, can you help me resolving the issue so that when I log in as user I can do su
13:13:14 <oprs> pw groupmod wheel -m cattish
13:13:21 <oprs> should add cattish to the wheel group
13:16:03 <Bushmaster> let me see oprs
13:16:17 <oprs> ridcully: his username (cattish) has uid=1001, so I'm guessing multiple accounts were created for some reason
13:17:13 <Bushmaster> i got the command prompt back oprs
13:17:48 <Bushmaster> oprs first time when i installed FreeBSD i messed up the manual IP hence this is the second time in VM hence it could be the reason of two cattish
13:17:52 <Bushmaster> no idea though
13:17:52 <ridcully> oprs: that's why i asked - i assumed a different user was added and the user with uid=1000 might be used to recover via ssh
13:18:29 <oprs> yeah
13:18:47 <Bushmaster> what I should do now, I executed that last command oprs  kindly provided and I got command prompt back
13:19:11 <oprs> Bushmaster: try the same ssh command again, you should be able to use su now
13:19:37 <Bushmaster> from this Debian machine I am using you mean
13:20:39 <oprs> I mean from bushmaster, as before
13:21:05 <Bushmaster> yes it worked, but let me send you the link
13:21:29 <Bushmaster> oh no
13:21:32 <Bushmaster> it wont let me in
13:22:06 <Bushmaster> https://dpaste.com/9ZC9ZZN42
13:22:58 <oprs> yeah, that's because you're trying to connect as root
13:23:03 <oprs> what you should do is: ssh cattish⊙111
13:23:09 <oprs> then use su
13:24:04 <Bushmaster> oh yes, you folks are cool, it worked, i got it hehehe https://dpaste.com/DXSTLSTZB
13:24:45 <Bushmaster> is it okay I hang out here and learn
13:24:57 <Bushmaster> ilearnt more here than from that old book
13:28:05 <oprs> sure, hey which book is that btw ? just curious
13:32:24 <Bushmaster> Beginning Modern Unix, Manish Jain, Apress Publication, 2018
13:33:04 <Bushmaster> sorry, its not a BSD Book
13:33:21 <oprs> oh it's not that old, I was expecting something from the 80s :-)
13:33:48 <oprs> anyway, if you want something more FreeBSD specific, you probably want to read the FreeBSD Handbook: https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/
13:33:50 <Bushmaster> so what is the command to update the system, surely its not apt update or dnf upgrade hehehe, is it pkg update
13:34:09 <Bushmaster> let me check
13:36:18 <Bushmaster> great, it has pdf version as well, just downloaded it, very good
13:36:21 <Bushmaster> thanks a lot
13:36:32 <oprs> yw !
13:36:44 <Bushmaster> how to update the system
13:37:20 <ivy> Bushmaster: pkg is for ports (third-party software), in current version it does not handle the base system, you probably want freebsd-update command for that
13:37:39 <ivy> that might change in future if we get pkgbase by default (slated for 15.0 release, but we'll see)
13:38:54 <Bushmaster> you folks are BSD Developer I think
13:39:07 <Bushmaster> hang on let me utilize that command
13:39:23 <ivy> do read the handbook chapter on freebsd-update before using it
13:39:37 <Bushmaster> okay
14:00:12 <Bushmaster> it just showing colon sign, may be doing something, https://dpaste.com/7DPRCLSYY
14:03:34 <ridcully> Bushmaster: it's showing you the changes it would bring using the pager (e.g. `more`).  press `q` to quit the pager if you are fine with the changes
14:05:09 <Bushmaster> oh okay thanks ridcully and then issue that command from the hand book page 636 freebsd-update install right?
14:06:30 <ifreund> for some reason my FreeBSD guest vm does not receive any DHCPOFFERS when attepting to configure the vtnet0 interface using dhclient
14:07:11 <ifreund> DHCP works fine for a linux guest vm on the same host system with the same host network configuration
14:07:22 <ifreund> anyone have a tip for how I could debug this?
14:11:00 <Bushmaster> i think update is done https://dpaste.com/7U4QUZHPQ
14:11:05 <Bushmaster> thanks a lot folks
14:11:16 <Bushmaster> i am happy and you folks being BIG BIG HELP
14:11:24 <Bushmaster> I will be around anyway
14:14:29 <Bushmaster> one thing i just noticed it cannot shut down if i issue shutdown now
14:15:04 <Bushmaster> it comes up with saying Enter Full path of shell or RETURN /bin/sh:
14:15:26 <polarian> what tools do you guys use for presentations
14:15:50 <polarian> slides and stuff :)
14:16:16 <ifreund> polarian: pdfpc
14:16:44 <ifreund> to actually make the presentations, anything that can generate pdfs
14:16:55 <polarian> GPLv3 :/
14:17:07 <polarian> anything _more free_?
14:17:14 <polarian> aka not copylefted
14:18:20 <psycorama> what about LaTex?
14:21:00 <polarian> psycorama: already planned to write it in latex the issue is presenting the pdf
14:21:20 <polarian> something minimal, lightweight and permissive
14:29:30 <psycorama> aaah, i misread that
14:33:44 <polarian> wait beamer exists...
14:43:18 <ivy> i have a raidz2 with 8x 7200rpm SAS disks, and when copying the files to a Samba share from a Windows client (10GbE, 9k mtu) i only get ~550MB/s at most.  if i copy files from the share that are in the cache i get ~1GB/s, so i don't think the problem is a network issue.  is this the typical performance i should expect from this array?  i thought it would be a bit faster given the individual disks can do at least 120MB/s sequential i/o each
16:15:45 <shbrngdo> a long time I noted performance bottlenecking between samba and windows.  Using samba between BSD and either FBSD or Linux performed better, maybe even 50% better (this was back in the 2000's though) with equivalent hardware.  Still you have spinny drives and writing is always slower than reading, eespecially if they are 'shingled'
16:46:43 <CrtxReavr> ivy, for "spinning rust," I'd say 550/MB/s is pretty freak'n amazing.
16:47:27 <CrtxReavr> s/\//
17:03:24 <duskmoss> ivy: thats all I'd expect for writes. thats 90 MB/s per drive which is pretty close to max.  if you're not using a large recordsize you may get a bit more, or maybe a bit more from adding a metadata vdev to reduce iops on the HDD but I wouldn't bet on either.  you may also be bandwidth limited by your system bus, or your HBA
17:21:21 <lts> That would be a really old HBA
17:34:40 <ivy> it's not a bandwidth limit, i get ~1GB/s if i read from data in the ARC.  but i could believe it's just the practical limit of 7200 rpm disks
17:34:48 <ivy> was mostly curious what sort of speeds other people get
17:35:14 <ivy> when i tested these disks they did about 120MB/s each in sequential write (but i know zfs needs to write metadata as well...)
17:36:47 <ivy> fwiw the HBA says:  PCIe Width/Speed: x4 (5.0 GB/sec)
17:37:39 <ivy> i'm not entirely sure what that means because no PCIe version does 5GB/s over an x4 connection
17:37:47 <ivy> maybe it means 5GT/s, which would be right for PCIe 2.0 x4
17:37:58 <ivy> (so 2GB/s)
17:40:16 <lts> A single lane of PCIe 2.0 is 5GT/s
17:41:11 <ivy> right, 5GT/s per lane, x4 being 4 lanes, so minus overhead 2GB/s total
17:41:58 <ivy> ((5*4)/8)*0.80 = 2.00
17:42:26 <lts> Right, my bad, B vs b
17:44:08 <ivy> but anyway this HBA is pretty old (as you can tell from it using PCIe 2.0 to begin with :-) so that could be a factor even if it's not reaching the theoretical PCIe limit
19:12:00 <daemon> hey all I have a gateway/router with mpd5 that has re0: local lan 172.31.5.0/24 em0: backup 4G network, igb0/fib1: PPPoE connection, igb1/fib2: PPPoE connection, is anyone able to provide me with a link to a basic nat setup for just dealing with twe two pppoe links fib1/2 for packet filter?
19:12:13 <daemon> they both have the same gateway ip hence the different fibs
19:19:50 <dch> ivy: I read this article a few days ago, https://allthingsopen.org/articles/noisy-zfs-disks & it gave a lot of info on how raidz works, and some of the constraints, would like to know if its useful for you too
21:27:51 <uskerine> which package contains -if any- the legacy rcp, rsh and rexec ?
21:29:38 <nimaje> pretty sure there is one and that the update notice listed it, but I don't remember, you could use freshports to search for rcp in pkg-plists
21:31:15 <uskerine> nimaje thanks. so if you search using pkg-plists you search for files contained in the package ? https://www.freshports.org/net/bsdrcmds/
21:40:24 <nimaje> each port (except for shitty exceptions) declares what files it will install statically, mostly via a file named pkg-plist and sometimes via some variables in the ports makefile (if there are only a few installed files), freshports lets you search for those statically declared files (and the ports framework will complain in stage-qa if it doesn't match what really gets installed)