00:17:29 <OwlWizard> no i do not run pf
00:17:55 <OwlWizard> i honestly thought the conversation had moved on tbh
00:18:12 <OwlWizard> and ill need to got to bd so im sorry for wasting your peoples time
00:53:32 <mns> How long does it take to upgrade from 13.4 to 14.0 ?  The second run of 'freebsd-update install' has been running for almost 3 hours now
01:35:12 <skered> mns: I've seen it take a long time.
01:35:19 <skered> I would just let it sit.
01:36:35 <skered> mns: root on zfs?
02:34:19 <randomuser894879> Hello.
02:34:52 <randomuser894879> Which cipher does OpenBSD use by default when installing the system with Full Disk Encryption?
02:35:45 <randomuser894879> I know this channel is for FreeBSD, but I couldn't get the answer I want anywhere else, so I thought that maybe someone here could help me.
02:36:07 <randomuser894879> After all... I'm talking about a BSD!
02:37:13 * duskmoss sighs
02:42:34 <llua> you could look at the source code
02:43:58 <randomuser894879> Yeah, but I'm not an experienced programmer.
02:44:01 <randomuser894879> But thank you.
02:44:45 <randomuser894879> I'll see what I can do.
02:44:50 <randomuser894879> I'm leaving now.
02:44:56 <llua> cya
02:45:01 <randomuser894879> Thank and have a great day/night.
02:45:30 <duskmoss> randomuser894879:  (did you try openbsd mailing lists?)
02:45:46 <randomuser894879> duskmoss Yes.
02:48:15 <LXGHTNXNG> wrong channel?
02:49:20 <llua> indeed
02:50:00 <kevans> have to applaud the optimism, though
02:50:19 <kevans> it wasn't actually /that/ crazy, we just don't know
02:50:31 * break19 joins a F-150 channel to ask about a Ram truck. After all, it's a truck!
02:50:37 <duskmoss> hehe
02:51:12 <duskmoss> I found it in the code because I got curious. not particularly hard, nice comment. I think if they look (or actually mail the mailing lists) they'll have better luck
02:52:06 <llua> i only got as far as something called bioctl's -cC option
02:52:28 <duskmoss> https://github.com/openbsd/src/blob/master/sys/dev/softraidvar.h
02:57:38 <LXGHTNXNG> «oh yeah i had a ram with the same problem, to fix it i fribnicated the frooble; no idea if it really fixed because i sold the ram to afford the ford»
03:15:57 <kevans> the truck analogy is a kind of bad one, imo.  it's only been relatively recent that proprietary crap has taken over more of the vehicle and shrunk the pool of knowledge applicable across makes
03:17:13 * kevans has a mini-fleet of 90's and early 2000 dodges, but still feels competent when asked to work on a ford of similar vintage
04:09:23 <mns> skered: yeah its 6 hours now,  and yes root is on zfs
04:37:14 <skered> Check this out.  https://www.gamecreatures.com/blog/2024/04/05/freebsd-update-13-to-14/
10:29:02 <debdrup> or you could use the handbook
10:31:13 <debdrup> more importantly, do you know what that does?
10:54:42 <OwlWizard> um is it normal that the freebsd forum wont let you join because the recaptcha wont stop giving you tasks?
10:57:26 <daemon> OwlWizard, no that is not normal
10:57:39 <daemon> I just signed in for the first time in years and did not even get a captcha
10:59:26 <OwlWizard> maybe its because i have so many privacy things in my browser
11:00:44 <OwlWizard> daemon, im trying to make an account not log in
11:01:26 <daemon> quickly try it in a secondary browser
11:03:02 <OwlWizard> ive managed to get it finally
11:03:09 <OwlWizard> reloaded the page a few times
11:07:27 <debdrup> kevans: you mean we're crazy enough to answer if we know? :P
12:06:58 <TommyC> OwlWizard: Maybe you're a bot...programmed to not think you're a bot.
12:09:29 <break19> *stares in Connor*
12:52:00 <aquamo4k> in case you didn't know, euro-bsdcon streams are still live now: https://www.youtube.com/@EuroBSDcon/streams
12:53:08 <debdrup> thanks to 0mp@, i just learned about 'service <serivce> poll' which works like 'service <service> status' but waits until the service stops running
12:53:37 <debdrup> https://www.youtube.com/@EuroBSDcon/streams on stage end stream
13:26:06 <debdrup> the talk by 0mp@ is basically mandatory for anyone working with rc(8)
13:26:42 <aquamo4k> i missed the beginning but am going to rewind it once I have my coffee made and watch the whole thing
13:27:44 <debdrup> i learned so many things from that talk
13:28:04 <debdrup> performance measurements and jailing services are completely new to me
14:13:26 <armin> debdrup: I purposefully built a dedicated jails host using some cheap Ryzen 5 thinclient at my home
14:13:48 <armin> debdrup: 10/10 can recommend
14:36:50 <debdrup> armin: i've been using jails since 2000 when it was added; the jailing services part is <service>_svcj in rc.conf specifically
15:42:38 <matt0000000> hello!
15:42:51 <matt0000000> i've been using freebsd for over a month now and its been good. just wanted to share!
15:44:06 <Yaazkal> matt0000000: welcome!
15:50:10 <matt0000000> thank you!
15:53:55 <debdrup> Usually people come here because they have an issue, so it's nice to hear that, occationally
15:54:23 <cation> who said my name
16:22:59 <jmnbtslsQE> heh
16:26:35 <matt0000000> lol
16:31:08 <matt0000000> any point to not using freebsd13 instead of 14?
17:26:58 <njn> i mean your going to have the most up to date features
17:27:02 <shbrngdo> some people prefer using a more 'tested' release, and go for the one prior to the most recent version, but I have not seen any issues in FBSD that might justify that kind of thing since the switch from 4.11 to 5.0 (that was a bit rough).
17:28:12 <shbrngdo> oh he's off line...
17:28:21 <njn> ah
17:28:25 <njn> didnt notice either
17:33:03 <mns> should I be setting vfs.zfs.dmu_offset_next_sync in my /etc/sysctl.conf file?  I am on 14.1-RELEASE-p5.  I just migrated from 13.3 -> 13.4 -> 14.0 -> 14.1 in the last 36 hours.
17:45:21 <ivy> mns: no, the problem requiring that workaround was fixed by https://www.freebsd.org/security/advisories/FreeBSD-EN-23:16.openzfs.asc
17:46:35 <mns> ivy: ok, that sounds good.  thanks for the pointer.
19:19:21 <Ymarg> j #openbsd
19:19:24 <Ymarg> ops
19:19:38 <Ymarg> :P
20:37:10 <ivy> yikes, net-mgmt/snmp_exporter is a release from 2021
20:37:22 <ivy> sysutils/snmp_exporter rather
20:57:38 <vkarlsen> For some reason, resolvconf runs now and then even though it's disabled in rc.conf. I wonder what's triggering it.
21:00:50 <vkarlsen> Setting resolvconf=NO in /etc/resolvconf.conf prevents it from nuking resolv.conf, but should it not be sufficient to disable it in rc?
21:08:52 <jmnbtslsQE> maybe dhclient via /sbin/dhclient-script ?
21:09:18 <jmnbtslsQE> maybe that would follow the rc.conf variable though. not sure
21:44:29 <scoobybejesus> if those eurobsd videos have been timestamped somewhere to know what talks are in each of those videos, a link would be awesome.  as of now, it's three 7-hour videos
23:36:13 <Yaazkal> New photo, this is not Macro, that leaf is big: https://www.flickr.com/photos/yaazkal/54012185989/in/dateposted-public/
23:57:14 <duskmoss> I htink that part is new in CURRENT, and not yet in any official RELEASE
23:57:36 <duskmoss> oop that was in reference to svc_j a while ago