00:06:53 dug up an old thread https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-desktop/2023-December/003877.html 00:18:05 I'll say this, if sound works on Nomad, your hardware is compatible and it should work on regular FreeBSD even if you need to tweak it. The opposite isn't necessarily true: If sound doesn't work in Nomad you still might be able to get it to work in FreeBSD with some tweaking. 00:18:19 Or maybe not. 00:21:53 Thanks 00:35:13 we have an issue with ipv6-only 01:00:54 anyone know how to read this ?https://bsd-hardware.info/?id=pci:8086-02c8-17aa-22af&dev_class=04-03-80&dev_type=sound&dev_vendor=Intel&dev_name=Comet+Lake+PCH-LP+cAVS&dev_ident=4414f 01:36:12 How'd it go so far, jb1277976? 03:16:08 win 15 03:16:11 Oops. 06:02:28 more like loser 15 09:04:29 Greetings 09:04:52 is there any problem with freebsd-update repos ? 09:04:56 Fetching 3 metadata files... failed. 09:05:19 I got this error while attempting a 14.1-RELEASE upgrade 09:06:50 lemme try 09:07:22 the fetching seems to have worked, its now inspecting system 09:07:47 I just upgraded to -p4 sucessfully. 09:07:54 14.1-releaes-p4 09:08:30 thank you yourfate , I will check my system 09:08:53 mine used "update2.freebsd.org" as a server. I'm in germany 09:15:52 I cleaned /var/db/freebsd-update directory, seems ok now 09:17:15 nice. 10:54:50 for now , is there any difference for pkg built for 14.0 and 14.1 ? 10:55:49 I don´t see any 141amd64 in https://pkg-status.freebsd.org/api/1/builds 10:56:02 afaik 10:56:34 s/pkg/packages 11:27:00 Hi, I hope I can explain my question well enough. Here I go; I have in my rc.conf file, two lines; ipv6_defaultrouter="fe80::1%vtnet0" and ifconfig_vtnet0_ipv6="inet6 2a04:e8c0:18:510:1 prefixlen 64" 11:27:17 And my resolv.conf has only: "nameserver 127.0.0.1" (local unbound running), no IPv6 nameserver added there. Now the question is how it's possible that ping6 google.com works and gets responded, an IPv6 hostname resolves without any IPv6 nameserver in my resolv.conf? 12:04:27 tercaL: Try `drill @127.0.0.1 AAAA google.com` I don't think you need a ipv6 nameserver to resolve ipv6 address. 12:05:13 erk: That's the output: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/8fBOMV1A 12:06:04 tercaL: As you see there you get a response with Googles address which is then pinged. 12:06:46 I don't think ping6 says that the DNS query is also done over ipv6. 12:06:56 erk: So the local unbound of FreeBSD running here (127.0.0.1) actually capable of resolving IPv6 as well? 12:07:31 Yep IPv6 is just the AAAA field in the DNS response. 12:07:40 I see.. 12:07:54 Thank you. 13:18:16 is all the breakage from FreeBSD-SA-24:05 (PR 280701) fixed in main now? seems like yes but i'm hesitant to upgrade... 13:33:57 a lot of drama in that PR 13:35:00 yeah, that was weird, seems people are annoyed about bugs in opnsense/pfsense or something? which is nothing to do with freebsd 14:14:47 Is anyone familiar with Burp Suite? 14:16:43 more drama than the "official branding" argument between openbsd and palemoon 6.5 years ago? 14:18:55 to answer my own question, kp@ confirmed all the issues are fixed in freebsd now 14:27:25 antranigv: hey, are you around? 14:57:10 mane: https://nohello.net/en/ 14:57:38 :D 15:10:44 sidh: packages have always been built for the oldest supported version 15:15:00 lw: it's always interesting (sometimes the kind found in "Interesting Times" by pterry) seeing the kind of feedback that come from users of downstream project.. 15:17:54 Capole_: not surprised that someone's created a website for that, it's a perennial problem 15:31:01 debdrup: i was inclined to ignore it but apparently core@ is getting involved in that PR somehow?! 15:31:20 ok fair that des@ was a bit rude as he always is but this hardly seems like a core issue 15:31:57 15:32:36 as the young folks say nowadays, there's lore involved 15:39:21 so unbound fails to start on boot because some interfaces arent created yet when the unbound script starts 15:40:25 is there any directive correction to solve this? 15:41:31 what causes the interfaces to be created? 15:41:49 if you have a service that creates those interfaces, unbounds rc.d script can be modified to depend on that 15:42:37 that'd delay startup a bit, but it'd make it reliable (provided the interface creation is reliable, i guess - you'll want to build in some error handling in the interface script, i suppose) 15:43:12 mane: try configuring ip-transparent: yes 15:43:26 however, it would be better to fix your rc config to not start unbound until interfaces are available 15:45:07 i also recall having someo weird issues with ip-transparent although i don't remember the details 15:45:32 i used it to let unbound bind to an anycast address that wouldn't be configured until unbound was working 15:47:39 btw, #dns is very helpful for unbound questions in my experience, that's how i discovered that option originally 15:51:38 insert dns haiku here. 16:29:41 How can i get pulseaudio to start automatically when i boot up freebsd ? i installed it via pkg.. also does my pcm need to be there or can i use virtual_oss to get audio ? 16:30:10 jb1277976: you're not meant to use pulseaudio that way, it should be started per-user unless you're doing something extremely unusual, and usually the application handles that 16:30:31 Got it 16:30:37 i'm not sure what you mean by 'does my pcm need to be there' but you do need a /dev/dsp device for pulseaudio to work 16:31:01 lw i have a /dev/dsp and /dev/dsp0 16:31:08 freebsd's /dev/dsp supports multiple opens with an in-kernel virtual mixer so e.g. multiple pulseaudio instances can run at the same time if several users are logged in 16:31:35 (not that you'd really want multiple users to output to the host sound card, but... it works...) 16:34:01 when you have a /dev/dsp etc.. that means your laptop/desktop is recognizing your sound card right ? 16:34:07 sound(4) is also getting actively worked on again 16:34:32 https://freshbsd.org/freebsd/src?q=sound%284%29 16:35:04 jb1277976: probably yes, but cat /dev/sndstat to be sure 16:35:09 notably, mixer(8) now does hot-swapping 16:35:11 jb1277976: that should tell you the hardware output device it's using 16:35:26 debdrup: yeah Christos and the other guy are doing great work there 16:35:35 they did briefly break my USB audio device but that was fixed pretty quickly 16:37:44 br@ also got some patches for snd_hdspe, which pleases me since i've got one of those from when i was working as a disc jockey at a radio station (just flipping discs) 16:38:12 should let me update the firmware 16:38:17 are those the RME PCIe cards? 16:38:39 yep 16:39:03 lw: let me tell you a little background about me.. i was actually using freebsd for about 2 months. posted lots on the fourms and lists about getting sound to work but it never has. using a chromebook and the only pcm that shows up in /dev/sndstat is pcm0: (play) default stopped using freebsd since last year and came back to test again. i love freebsd 16:39:05 i wouldn't mind one of those, i have Focusrite stuff because it's cheap but their Windows drivers are terrible 16:39:34 florian (the guy who's working with christos now) was also involved with those 16:42:32 jb1277976: idk sorry, i use a USB audio device which i literally just plug in and it works :( 16:42:37 never really dealt with onboard hda 16:43:52 jb1277976: can I ask what you're using pulseaudio for? With Firefox, it isn't necessary to get audio working.. 16:44:45 Got it.. coming from gentoo and i had to use pipewire to get audio working 16:44:54 specially on this chromebook 16:45:22 pulseaudio and pipewire aren't generally needed on freebsd 16:45:38 debdrup: how about virtual_oss ? 16:46:04 jb1277976: short answer is, it depends 16:46:47 https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit/?id=390dc369ef this looks pretty neat 16:48:16 virtual_oss usually isn't needed 16:48:42 i use it because my audio device has 20 channels and i want to force some applications to use a subset of those, like video conferencing / voice chat should only use 1 channel 16:49:24 i've been using it to combine some input channels on one device with output devices on another device - but yeah, i don't think that's very standard :D 16:49:32 yeah 16:49:52 there's definitely situations you'd want to use it but for 99% of use cases like 'i want to play/record audio on my laptop' it's not necessary 16:51:02 lw: what usb audio device do you use ? maybe i can get it so i can have sound ? 16:51:05 you got a link ? 16:52:16 jb1277976: i use a Focusrite 18i20 https://focusrite.com/products/scarlett-18i20 but you can definitely cheaper (and smaller) options if you just want working audio on a laptop 16:52:50 for example https://focusrite.com/products/scarlett-solo has headphone and stereo speaker output 16:53:11 lw: you on a desktop ? 16:53:26 jb1277976: yes 16:54:40 Thanks 16:56:49 in fact if you just want headphones, buy one of the Google or Apple USB-to-3.5mm adapters 16:57:02 i've not specifically tested those with FreeBSD but they are just basic stereo audio DACs so they should work fine 16:57:52 (they're sold as 'adapters' but they are a complete DAC in a tiny form factor, it's really amazing) 17:08:56 for the price, the apple usb to 3.5mm DACs are decent quality as well 17:09:14 that's what i just suggested 17:09:36 i know, i was just adding to what you said :) 17:09:42 ah right 17:10:40 i was a bit dubious about the build quality of the Apple one (based on my experience with the old MagSafe PSUs) but i've been using one on my ipad for months and it's working great 18:29:10 The generic kernel that comes with freebsd does it have all modules/drivers in it by default or do you have to create a custom one for a specifc module you want ? 18:29:56 jb1277976: it contains all modules and most drivers (including the drivers that are available as modules) 18:30:24 the only drivers that are not included in GENERIC are some extremely esoteric hardware that you almost certainly don't have 18:32:44 Got it 21:06:05 I can't get any of the freebsd download sites to load. I don't know if this is something on my side or something on the website side, but it won't let me use any of the links. 21:19:40 Welp. 21:21:40 https://www.isitdownrightnow.com/download.freebsd.org.html confirms download.freebsd.org is down right now. 21:23:43 Sure seems to work for me. 21:27:24 debdrup, I can certainly ping it too - but I belive we are both from Denmark 21:27:36 BarnabasDK: yep. 21:28:45 so, maybe someone outside could confirm? 21:30:24 I cannot ping either IPv4 or IPv6 download.freebsd.org from Colorado in the US. 21:31:01 hmm, where is it hosted? 21:31:11 DNS wise and physical 21:31:12 173.228.147.97 seems to not be responding 21:33:31 ikolaj@ThinkPad-X1:~$ host download.freebsd.org 21:33:31 download.freebsd.org is an alias for download.geo.freebsd.org. 21:33:31 download.geo.freebsd.org has address 85.30.190.138 21:33:31 download.geo.freebsd.org has IPv6 address 2a02:80:0:3ffd::15:1 21:33:31 download.geo.freebsd.org mail is handled by 0 . 21:33:42 a short host lookup from my end 21:33:49 rwp, what is yours? 21:34:16 download.freebsd.org is an alias for download.geo.freebsd.org. 21:34:16 download.geo.freebsd.org has address 173.228.147.97 21:34:17 download.geo.freebsd.org has IPv6 address 2610:1c0:1040:606c::15:0 21:34:27 trying to see if it is a dns issue or an IP issue 21:35:18 since yours is different from mine, it would lead me to belive your host is down - mine is not 21:35:23 BarnabasDK: 'your' mirror seems fine 21:35:24 does this make sense 21:35:26 mine is not 21:35:55 check - but it could still be a dns issue and/or an IP issue as well 21:36:17 dns issue isnsofaras the geo.dns is still resolving hosts that aren't responding 21:36:23 85.30.190.138 appears to be located in a New York datacenter in an NYI hosting facility. 21:36:47 Oops! Bad paste. Strike that. 173.228.147.97 appears to be located in a New York datacenter in an NYI hosting facility. 21:37:35 so some outage at that facility seems to be the cause 21:37:58 obviously 21:38:16 did a metor finally hit NY 21:38:16 except my mirror, 204.15.11.67 also is not responding 21:38:48 which is on the other side of the country 21:39:10 rtprio, and that is something you run on your own premises? 21:39:37 no, that's what download.geo.freebsd.org resolves to on the west coast 21:39:45 ah 21:39:50 "my" mirror, i use loosely 21:40:01 hah ok :-) 21:40:19 maybe you had a mirror in your basement .. who knows 21:40:24 Seems https://people.freebsd.org/~dbaio/mirrors/mirrors-new-section.html will be the workaround path for anyone affected by the current outage. 21:41:03 maybe the freebsd team should add a healthcheck or two to their geo resolver 21:41:36 or maybe more than one IP to a name lookup - I think most clients would accept that 21:41:58 ofc you would be depending on said impl 21:41:59 or that 21:43:00 The plus of multiple IPs is that it mostly works when one of the IPs is offline. The negative of multiple IPs is that behavior gets very strange when they are out of sync with each other. 21:43:17 The troublesome case being both online but returning differences. 21:43:53 With one IP the view is usually consistent over the entire repository at least. 21:44:33 and IP lookup caching can make this even more flaky 21:44:42 shifting between ips 21:45:04 I guess there is not one real good solution 21:45:35 I am not using it but the FreeBSD NTP pool also uses GeoDNS too and therefore it is possible to be out of wack right now as well. 21:46:12 oh, for that i use pool.ntp.org 21:46:28 is this a geodns thing? 21:46:39 I actually just learned it by reading https://www.freshports.org/dns/go-geodns/ 21:49:03 Well nothing I can do about it. I am returning to my hole. 22:01:28 Anyone else having issues fetching the ports INDEX-14.bz2, by chance? 22:02:36 I noticed "portmaster -L --index-only" failing and it looks like the http://www.FreeBSD.org/ports/INDEX-14.bz2 URL it's attempting to use times out. 22:10:58 took 1s to download 22:15:02 yuripv: Hrm. Very strange. Any chance you can take a look and tell what your host is resolving www.freebsd.org and/or download.freebsd.org to? 22:15:38 Still seems to time out for me. Not sure why. DNS resolution appears to be fine. 22:19:05 ek, Look up in the scrollback to see the recent discussion of some mirrors being down right now. 22:19:31 You can look at https://people.freebsd.org/~dbaio/mirrors/mirrors-new-section.html and select a different mirror to workaround the outage. 22:20:13 rwp it has been working all along here in europe 22:21:17 i really see no outage here 22:24:52 rwp: Dang. I actually did try to do a lookup to see if anyone had mentioned the index not being unfetchable. 22:25:04 I guess my search-fu failed me. Thanks! 22:25:18 BarnabasDK: It looks like a GEO issue. 22:26:26 ek: 203.80.16.154 and 203.80.16.151 22:27:02 yuripv: Thanks. Very different than mine so that now makes sense. 22:27:55 looks to be Malaysia