02:27:11 <kevans> polarian: I know you weren't a fan, but I do prefer PEBCAK to 'some weird bug in the system' :-)
02:27:38 <kevans> nobody needs a ghost in the shell
06:09:10 <wildeboskat> Hmm portsnap has been deprecated?
06:09:18 <wildeboskat> How should I update my ports tree now?
06:10:35 <wildeboskat> I tried doing git pull but that doesn't work either, it says it's not a git repo
06:10:43 <wildeboskat> I'm on 14.1-Release-p3 by the way
06:11:27 <flatdog> when something just works, break it!
06:12:31 <flatdog> and break it some more, re-write it in Rust.
06:12:35 <wildeboskat> Hmm maybe I should remove my ports collection and install a new one from git according to the handbook?
06:13:58 <flatdog> worth a try, that's what I would do
06:14:05 <wildeboskat> Yeah doing it now
06:14:22 <wildeboskat> I assume my ports collection was still based on 13.1 or something
06:14:44 <flatdog> makes sense
06:15:04 <wildeboskat> I thought the upgrader would have taken care of that
06:15:22 <tercaL> What's actually that Rust stuff on all the news about FreeBSD?
06:15:46 <wildeboskat> Ok I think that fixed it
06:15:52 <wildeboskat> I can update now with git pull
06:16:20 <flatdog> ooh, there's a whole thread on the forums, about 20-some pages about Rust in the base
06:17:15 <flatdog> :wildeboskat Good job
06:19:04 <wildeboskat> Is just removing the files in /usr/ports enough though? Is there some kind of registry that tells the system I had the original style installed?
06:19:55 <wildeboskat> I wish I understood better how this all works :)
06:24:34 <flatdog> just rebuilt your ports, once the git finishes
06:24:46 <flatdog> *rebuild
06:25:23 <wildeboskat> Ok thanks!
06:29:34 <flatdog> Don't even mention it. If I may, keep an eye on the forums, quite active and with plenty of cases like yours. Take the shorter path.
06:31:05 <wildeboskat> Which forums?
06:31:32 <wildeboskat> Ahh https://forums.freebsd.org/
06:31:37 <wildeboskat> I didn't even know that existed sorry
06:31:39 <flatdog> https://forums.freebsd.org
06:31:50 <wildeboskat> I only knew about the handbook and here
06:32:03 <wildeboskat> Thanks!
06:32:14 <flatdog> Most welcome.
06:33:37 <flatdog> *you beat me by a second :))
06:33:45 <wildeboskat> hehe yeah I was looking for it
06:34:12 <vedranm> wildeboskat: git clone/pull is so much faster than svn up that portsnap was no longer necessary
06:34:25 <wildeboskat> Yeah it is very fast
06:34:32 <wildeboskat> It pulled the whole tree in 20 seconds
06:34:40 <wildeboskat> From nothing
06:34:44 <vedranm> wow, you have a fast connection then
06:35:10 <wildeboskat> Meh 1gbit
06:35:18 <wildeboskat> You can get 10gbit here too
06:35:27 <wildeboskat> But I don't see the need
06:35:39 <vedranm> absolutely none
06:35:46 <wildeboskat> My router can also only do 1
06:36:00 <wildeboskat> And I don't want to use the provided one
06:36:16 <vedranm> my Fritzbox has 2.5G port, but no other devices have anything 1G+
06:36:29 <wildeboskat> I have this new unifi box, but it was a fairly cheap one
06:36:53 <wildeboskat> https://eu.store.ui.com/eu/en/category/all-unifi-cloud-gateways/products/ucg-ultra
06:36:53 <flatdog> Fritzbox!en are quite good
06:37:07 <vedranm> quite expensive too
06:37:13 <wildeboskat> Oh it does have a 2.5Gbit WAN port
06:37:22 <wildeboskat> But what's the point if the other ports are 1Gbit
06:37:34 <flatdog> well, quid pro quo :)
06:37:45 <vedranm> well, if you watch Netflix at the same time as downloading Ports...
06:38:11 <flatdog> cron rules
06:38:15 <wildeboskat> Ah yeah I guess but most of my ports go to other 1gbit switches
06:38:40 <vedranm> flatdog: @daily git -C /usr/ports pull ?
06:38:55 <nimaje> Demosthenex: how about moving the redirection to the front? like   <file grep pattern   ?
06:39:04 <wildeboskat> If one of my servers in my server room is pulling a big LLM and at the same time I'm updating steam in the livingroom, it might be slightly faster
06:39:25 <flatdog> :)
06:40:20 <nimaje> wildeboskat, flatdog: the ports tree is independent of releases, there is no ports tree that is based on 13.1
06:40:51 <wildeboskat> Ahh I see
06:40:58 <wildeboskat> so the updater will not touch the tree?
06:41:22 <wildeboskat> That explains why I didn't have the git mechanics
07:33:53 <antranigv> The Google Cloud Images are outdated. I see 13.3 and 14.0, but not 13.4 and 14.1, is that normal? who should I ping?
07:37:15 <nimaje> well, 13.4 is upcoming and not released yet, but probably a -rc1 build should exist, but no idea who to ping
07:38:55 <antranigv> nimaje good point, I was beta testing 13.4, so I thought it should be there
07:39:08 <antranigv> but 14.1 is lacking. The announcement page says that
07:39:20 <antranigv> FreeBSD 14.1-RELEASE is also expected to be available in the Google Compute Engine™ Marketplace once they have completed third-party specific validation
07:53:12 <nimaje> hm, sounds like that 'Google Compute Engine™ Marketplace' is some third-party where you can submit os releases to and then they do something and if they accept the release everyone can use it and 14.1 probably is stuck in the 'do something' stage, but maybe they have some reason not to accept it, I wouldn't expect betas and rcs there
10:40:54 <nerozero> Hi there, can I find /usr/ports/UPDATING fine online ?
10:41:00 <nerozero> somewhere ?
10:42:41 <nimaje> in the ports repo, if you want to find it in the web, use the web view of the repo https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/tree/UPDATING
10:43:24 <nerozero> https://cgit.freebsd.org/ports/tree/UPDATING
10:43:27 <nerozero> yeh
10:43:36 <nerozero> nimaje, yeh found
10:43:37 <nerozero> thanks
11:22:21 <ei> is there a fast way to reproduce memory fragmentation so that when a kernel module requests contiguous pages, kernel would spend time reclaiming pages?
11:22:54 <ei> filling tmpfs with /dev/random until memory is almost full and then running the system doesn't get deterministic results
11:23:15 <ei> I want something to put in a shell script to reliably get severely fragmented memory
12:18:34 <ei> solved. make buildworld with tmpfs and /dev/random seem to work fine enough + https://reviews.freebsd.org/D40575 helps to get insight
13:08:44 <Demosthenex> nimaje: but i'm already building pipes from left to right, why not just use cat?
13:08:54 <Demosthenex> nimaje: also for large datasets i may prototype with head instead of cat
13:44:18 <mane> antranigv: ping me when you're around
13:44:37 <mane> also if anyone will help me setting up a mail service on freebsd plese respond
13:44:55 <mane> i want a fully functional mta on my freebsd
14:15:07 <tercaL> mane: That's some huge story.
14:16:16 <tercaL> mane: A complete starter pack: https://www.purplehat.org/?page_id=1450
14:16:48 <mane> thanks
14:16:56 <cybercrypto> MTA... remembers me my good old friend "the bat book" from the late 90's...
19:13:01 <CrtxReavr> The web-based src repo has gone though so many iterations over the years.
20:18:41 <ibs> I'm trying to get the "classic" look on my console. When i boot the computer docked with the laptop screen open, it's perfect. But if I reboot with it closed it's too small font. I'm not really sure where to find what knob to twist. I'm on 14.1 and UEFI.
21:23:27 <tsoome_> ibs so with screen closed it apparently fails to fetch preferred resolution and defaults to 8x16 font or something. you can try to set screen.font on loader ok prompt (or load font once you have working userland)
21:38:27 <ibs> tsoome_: I just stumbled upon allscreen_flags="-f terminus-b32" which is very close to what I wanted and Good Enough(TM) in my opinion. :-)
22:03:35 <ibs> Could I set that in loader.conf to get it sooner?
23:37:56 <ignucio> Hi! I have a (possibly) dumb question, I have a fresh Freebsd14.1 install, am trying to use the ports to install git first, but it fails saying permission denied on /usr/ports/distfiles, that dir doesnt exist, and even as root I cant create it, I suspect its read only, I read somewhere that I can change the working directory for ports, what is the standard way to start using ports? have I missed something?
23:38:06 <ignucio> I'm confused because the handbook doesn't mention any about this, it just says the source files will be downloaded to /usr/ports/distfiles, but makes no mention of previous steps for it to work
23:48:44 <Schamschula> ignucio: why are you trying to build git from source code? "sudo pkg install git" should download and install git (and all its dependencies) for you.
23:50:12 <ignucio> I want to use the ports collection, git was just an example, but I cant seem to be able to install any ports, pkg works fine, but the Handkbook doesn't recommend mixing pkg and ports, and some packages I may want to install from ports to configure some compilation options
23:54:10 <Schamschula> ignucio: That's right. For a long time I built ports using portsnap and portmaster. However, I have switched to using Poudriere, which builds all the packages on my local machine, but lets me use pkg to install and update them. More importantly, I don't have to (re-)build everything on each machine,