01:59:12 how do you make software that calls freebsd features? like if i made an interface manager would it just exec 'ifconfig' binary or is there a more direct API to the OS? 02:00:01 in my program if i use the FS api and create a dir, i doubt it just runs "mkdir ..." under the hood so that's an example of a more direct API to the OS no? 02:21:25 system() 02:22:27 https://man.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=system& 02:35:59 is there any way to know when the next quarterly package release will be? 03:23:38 polyex: what is the "FS api" 03:23:45 and it does run mkdir under the hood 03:23:54 if (mkdir(path, last ? omode : S_IRWXU | S_IRWXG | S_IRWXO) < 0) { 03:24:11 man 2 mkdir 05:51:57 <|cos|> Good morning! I filed https://bugs.freebsd.org/280028 a week or so back, and am wondering what the next step I could do to help fixing it would be. 05:52:53 <|cos|> As I understand it, it must be a userland issue with graphics drivers. But I'm unsure of how to debug further. 05:53:47 <|cos|> If I understand correctly freebsd-update is only able to install all patches between 14.1 and 14.1p1? 05:55:16 <|cos|> Thus my next step is to clone the freebsd git tree and start rebuilding on certain commits to attempt to find the regression point? 06:00:31 +1 if you know a point where it worked, and where it didn't, I'd run a `git bisect` to find out where the bad commit is 06:37:56 <|cos|> When attempting to follow https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/cutting-edge/#updating-src-obtaining-src it seems mv fails, because /usr/src is a separate filesystem. 06:38:32 <|cos|> I'm not great with zfs, but the general steps would be unmount, create new dataset, mount new dataset? 06:41:00 <|cos|> Running `umount /usr/src`, `zfs create zroot/src-git` and `zfs set mountpoint=/usr/src zroot/src-git` appears to have worked. 06:41:45 <|cos|> Will my new dataset conflict in mountpoint with the old one, or are there other gothas one should think of before attempting to add those three commands to the handbook? 06:50:39 Heh, apparently two datasets on the same mountpoint are a thing https://www.reddit.com/r/zfs/comments/12qldul/two_datasets_mounted_on_same_mountpoint_home_what/ 06:51:18 I'm no zfs expert, but maybe `zfs clone` is the way here 06:51:45 Or wait, make a snapshot :-) 06:52:25 zfs snapshot zroot/usr/src@bak 06:52:50 Anyway I'm heading to sleep, good luck fixing the graphics issue! 06:54:47 <|cos|> indigo: thanks, and sweet dreams! 06:55:14 <|cos|> I went with `zfs set canmount=noauto zroot/usr/src`, which seemed most reasonable at first glance 08:42:26 <|cos|> Documentation issue for my above problem created on https://bugs.freebsd.org/280186 08:48:05 I'm trying to setup an sftp server, but neither internal-sftp nor sftp-server exist 08:48:22 which is what I'm assuming I should be putting in ForceCommand in sshd.conf 08:48:31 am I tripping? 08:49:24 <|cos|> fengshaun: you mean you don't have a /usr/libexec/sftp-server file? 08:50:07 oh wait, it does exist 08:50:25 sshd still rejects connections though 08:50:29 I have 08:50:35 Match User myuser 08:50:42 ForceCommand sftp-server 08:50:46 ChrootDirectory /some/dir 08:51:09 and logging in kicks me out with auth fail 08:51:25 if I enter the password wrong, I get 3 tries, but if I enter it right, get kicked right away 09:04:06 alright, the problem was bad permissions on chroot directory. should've just checked the logs *facepalm* 12:18:56 The website doesn't reflect that 13.2 is EOL 12:19:11 but we know 14:37:13 Hi. Anyone using Bastille for managing jails and uses it with ipv6? All the docs show examples of either ipv4 or ipv6, but if you have both I don't see a way to configure it. 14:57:44 My first thought would be to create it with ipv4, stop the jail, edit the jail.conf to add the relevant ipv6 lines as well, and then restart the jail 15:00:10 scoobybejesus: yes, did it this way. Bit silly though that the tool itself appears single stack 15:05:12 Perhaps. I imagine it might be a breaking change to the syntax/usage if one were required to disambiguate the optional interface from additional IPs, so that may be why they haven't added it yet 15:30:14 yeah, that's how I use BastilleBSD -just edit the jail.conf directly for stuff I need done. 15:31:21 I tried to use CBSD, but it's using a sqlite database to implement the jail.conf at start, and I can't sort out how they want the IPV6 addressing in there. CBSD looks like a better tool overall, and I'm sure the IPV6 is great, but no idea how to get that to work. 17:29:39 Is there way to do a "smart" file sort. . . say if the files are named with non-zero-padded numbers? 17:39:35 CrtxReavr: sort -h will sort 1 2 3 before 10 11 12 17:40:35 Well, not by itself. .. 17:40:52 Not by itself? 17:41:41 Basically I had foo_1, foo_2, ... , foo_10, foo_11_, foo_12 17:42:54 Yeah, that complicates things 17:43:02 What I finally ended up with: 17:43:03 ls -1 c7* | sort -t _ -n -k 2,2 17:43:18 From a cow-orker 17:43:26 With gnu sort(1) 17:44:03 Looks like it works with regular sort too 17:44:04 CrtxReavr, Are you aware of sort -V? Maybe that is the feature you need here. 17:44:59 for j in $(seq 1 20); do echo foo_$j; done | sort | sort -V 17:47:39 This version of gnu sort(1) supports no such switch. 17:48:14 Do you need to use gnu sort? 17:48:20 Oh. . . actually, it does, just in a peculiar order. 17:52:36 What made you think that it did not work with both FreeBSD sort and with GNU sort both? 17:53:46 And also, me checks notes, I might see that this is #freebsd not #gnu here so one would expect to use a #freebsd solution, no? :-) :-) 18:50:05 what is the status of the ZFS bug where trying to 'zfs send' an encrypted filesystem random causes it to be marked as corrupt? will we ever get a fix for this? 19:04:25 Hello. I'm trying to run Sway in a FreeBSD VM. Host it Linux, I'm using libvirt with QEMU. I'm getting the following error: "Found 0 GPUs, cannot create backend". https://0x0.st/XBn8.txt I assume that I'm missing some graphics drivers package. How can I fix this? 19:21:39 has that zfs bug been reported by freebsd users? 19:31:28 scoobybejesus: yes, by me several months ago (on fs@) and my mason in this channel 19:31:36 s/and my/and by/ 19:33:57 ah okay. ISTR an episode or two of 2.5 Admins where AllanJude mentioned that the bug reports were generally coming outside the FreeBSD community, and that there didn't seem to be reproducibility or ability to inspect the data, but hopefully it's being figured out now 19:35:51 i don't know what Allan said specifically but it seems like the issue is not being figured out since there's been no movement on the bug since January: https://github.com/openzfs/zfs/issues/12014 - unless perhaps Klara are working on this internally... 19:54:05 are you corrupting data, lw? 19:54:59 jbo: you're talking to me again now? 19:55:21 wtf? did I accidentally ignore something? 19:57:09 well you kinda told me to fuck off on Signal so i assumed i'd offended you somehow 19:57:19 I did what?! 19:57:58 since when is "alright then, take care" after a conversation equivalent to "fuck off"? :D 20:02:45 well... in any case apologies if it came across as such - that was certainly non-intentional. my doors are open (figuratively speaking) - A closed door is a happy door. 20:04:28 this might be my crazy brain talking, i interpret "take care" to mean "i no longer wish to talk to you, but i an expressing this in a polite way" 20:04:54 but in any case i am not corrupting data, it is syncoid doing so, via the aforementioned zfs bug 20:05:06 status: One or more devices has experienced an error resulting in data 20:05:07 corruption. Applications may be affected. 20:05:25 but this is a lie, there is no data corruption on the device, it's in-memory data corruption and rebooting will fix it 20:05:45 aye. I use "take care" as a closing statement when a conversation between friends comes to an end. I might be misusing it tho - not a native english speaker. 20:05:56 (i just can't reboot right now because people are using the filesystem... which is what makes this bug so annoying) 20:07:03 lw, regarding that bug. does the data corruption error happen on the source host or the backup destination host? I truly hope that this bug does NOT corrupt the source dataset. 20:07:08 I might be in trouble otherwise. 20:07:19 it happens on the source and it does *not* actually the dataset 20:07:33 it just causes the host to *think* the dataset is corrupted (= it will return I/O errors) until you reboot it 20:07:42 s/actually the/actually corrupt the/ 20:08:04 so I can have a ZFS native encrypted dataset, do a zfs send (for example via sanoid/syncoid) and then I can no longer use the dataset on the source host?! 20:08:06 also, it only happens if the dataset is using ZFS native encryption 20:08:11 (GELI is not affected) 20:08:48 jbo: correct, but it only happens randomly and not very often - this host runs syncoid 4 times per day and has not reported the problem for 2-3 months until it happened yesterday. but it's guaranteed it will happen at some point. 20:09:19 do you really have to reboot the host or can you just export/import the pool or whatever? 20:09:39 on that i'm not sure, but since the problem seems to be related to in-memory data corruption, i prefer to reboot 20:09:52 whats th ebest way to backup data... 20:09:57 or well, what would you guys recommend 20:10:06 polarian: zfs + syncoid (part of sanoid) 20:10:37 +1 on that 20:10:58 jbo: also, it mostly only affects snapshots in my experience, so the dataset itself still works fine, you just can't send any of its snapshots 20:11:07 but since that means you can't back up the dataset anymore ... 20:11:12 lw, still makes me unrestful 20:11:41 yeah, i really dislike that a) this bug exists, and b) no one seems to care to fix it 20:11:54 i still think zfs is better than any other filesystem... but... 20:12:13 aren't ZFS bugs usually pretty high-priority items? 20:12:24 you'd think so? 20:12:53 i really don't understand why the bug hasn't been updated in 6 months 20:13:04 if i were OpenZFS, this would be my #1 higest priority issue to fix 20:13:08 time to ask/bump? 20:13:56 incidentally the bug was first reported in 2021 20:14:46 does allan know? 20:15:08 idk, he did just email me about a job at klara so maybe this would be a good time to ask :-D 20:15:17 maybe i'll reply to my fs@ post to mention this 20:15:26 nice - congratz! 20:15:43 jbo: you like music right? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRI7LLkq7E4 (not related to zfs) 20:16:01 I do in fact also like music that is not related to ZFS, yes. 20:21:10 lw, I'll tell allan that you were mean to me 20:21:16 lw: GPLv3 :/ 20:22:45 polarian: so? are you going to modify it? 20:22:53 * polarian moans 20:23:09 what makes syncoid good? 20:23:21 it does exactly what you want and it's set+forget 20:23:25 it just uses zfs features under the hood, no custom formats, files etc. 20:23:36 i'm sure there are other zfs-based snapshot/backup scripts if you don't like sanoid though 20:23:48 hmmm 20:23:51 sanoid is just what i use and find it works well 20:24:03 you can even write your own, it's not all that difficult 20:24:06 https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/complete-tool-for-automated-backups-to-amazon-aws-google-cloud-or-microsoft-azure.85372/#post-569989 20:24:27 that script is why I don't get job offerings from allan 20:25:38 jbo: i interviewed for a job at Oxford University a few years ago and part of the application requirements was to provide a Perl script you'd written, which they decided to ask about during the interview. so most of it was like "yes, this is not the best way to do it but it works for what i was trying to do". i didn't get the job. 20:26:04 lw, perl == WOL 20:26:11 Wake on LAN? 20:26:16 write-only-language 20:26:19 heck I haven't written a perl script since 2014 20:26:54 lw: well you must be knowledgable if they even bothered to interview you :) 20:27:16 jbo: also i didn't get a job offer from Allan, he just followed up on the mail i sent them like 6 months ago asking if they had any jobs going 20:27:20 so we'll see what happens there... 20:27:31 why did oxford want you to know perl though 20:27:34 couldn't it have been shell? 20:27:37 or python? 20:27:54 polarian: this was a Unix admin job like 10-15 years ago, knowledge of Perl was basically expected back then 20:28:28 ah, that aligns with my "I haven't even written a perl script since 2014" quite well then 20:28:36 tbh i'd still be a little dubious of a Unix admin who didn't know perl, even though i don't use it myself nowadays 20:29:06 sandoid+syncoid is great for my use case (auto snapshots and auto sending of snapshots, pull style in my case, for backup purposes) 20:30:09 + retention policies for auto deleting 20:30:19 lw: right... so I would have been in primary school then when you applied :) 20:30:27 maybe secondary... 20:30:46 scoobybejesus: couldn't you just cron it? 20:31:04 also according to the handbook, snapshots != backups 20:31:08 you should also do full backups 20:31:34 right, snapshots are not backups, syncoid turns snapshots into backups by sending them to a remote host 20:31:41 polarian, you make snapshots (which are not backups) and then copy them to another host (which is a backup) 20:31:56 yeah, sanoid and various syncoid jobs are scheduled in cron 20:32:05 jbo: so if you lost the zfs volume 20:32:09 say you reformatted it 20:32:20 can a snapshot be used to rebuild the entire pool? 20:32:23 polarian: ... then you would just create a new zpool and send the remote snapshot to the new pool 20:32:24 polarian, then you pull the data back from the backup 20:32:35 why not just use zfs send/recv then 20:32:39 whats the point of syncoid 20:32:44 syncoid *does* use zfs send/recv 20:32:46 syncoid does zfs send/recv 20:32:50 the point is it does the sending for you automatically 20:32:54 oh so its basically just a useful script then? 20:32:56 it just gives you a nice config file to set "hey I want one snapshot every 24 hours" 20:32:57 to make it more simple 20:32:59 it works out what snapshots don't exist on the remote host and sends them 20:33:07 I thought it was more fancy 20:33:12 why is it like... 2000 lines then 20:33:14 and does things like adds pv for a progress bar and adds mbuffer, and things like that 20:33:16 yes, it's nothing you can't script yourself if you wanted to (like i said earlier) it's just a pre-existing thing that does this 20:33:25 when it comes to backup solutions, you don't want anything fancy - trust me. 20:33:34 it seems to follow gnu coding conventions of trying to have as many lines as possible 20:33:39 jbo: +1 and also you want something which is well tested 20:33:50 sanoid/syncoid is widely used and well tested, so you can depend on it 20:34:04 or I can try to use my peanut brain and make my own shell script :P 20:34:17 I have always wanted to write my own backup script 20:34:20 seems like, yes, a large benefit is that it responds well to a simple config file 20:34:20 * polarian is too lazy 20:34:26 lw suggested sanoid to me a few months ago (half a year by now if not more). I was doing zfs send/recv myself before with custom shell scripts but that was just a PITA to maintain especially for production machines that have 100 jails. switched to sanoid and have been happy since. 20:34:34 scoobybejesus: ohhh so a lot of it is parsing of data then? 20:34:45 (I haven't read the code only looked at the line count and was shocked by it) 20:34:46 polarian: i think it's worth writing your own zfs backup script so you understand how all the pieces fit together, but tbh, i'd still prefer syncoid 20:35:00 * polarian still doesn't like the licence :P 20:35:10 I will stick it on my todo list then 20:35:13 you don't have to use it. use something else then. 20:35:15 thanks 20:35:33 I am still a little confused about the handbook 20:35:43 we're just answering the question of "what would your recommendation be". if you don't like the recommendation that is fine. we're not a rust community - you're welcome to use what you like for your job. 20:35:47 it says snapshots shouldn't be used as backups... yet send/recv'ing them is considered a backup?!!?!? 20:35:58 no you're misunderstanding it 20:36:15 so does it mean, keeping it in the same pool is not a backup? 20:36:16 polarian, snapshots live on the same disk/hardware as the data itself. so it's not a backup. but once you send|recv it to different disks/hardware, it can become a backup. 20:36:17 it means in the sense that RAID is not a backup, because you can accidentally delete files and RAID doesn't protect you from that 20:36:34 jbo: but I would assume you would copy it to a different pool anyways 20:36:37 snapshots are not a backup because you could accidentally delete the pool or your server could be hit by a meteor 20:36:37 thats common sense no? 20:36:54 a backup requires the data be stored on a remote, geographically distinct host 20:37:14 you can *use* snapshots to copy data to such a remote host, which is a backup, but a snapshot *by itself* is not a backup 20:37:17 yeah like to a thumb drive that lw carries around when going to the disco 20:37:24 lol 20:37:48 I can't find any UK-based block storage 20:37:58 its all German or Finish datacentres 20:38:02 Finnish* 20:38:03 "snapshots are not a backup" means a snapshot *by itself* is not a backup, it doesn't mean you can't *use snapshots* to create a backup solution 20:38:14 thanks for the clarification 20:38:23 polarian: my backups are on Jump, who have by far the cheapest block storage of any UK VPS provider 20:38:37 https://www.jump.net.uk/vps 20:39:10 it is in UK datacentres correct? 20:39:20 lw, what's your account password? I'm asking for a friend. 20:39:20 yes 20:39:24 ok cool 20:39:33 I don't like the concept of overseas storage of personal data... 20:39:36 even if its encrypted 20:39:41 polarian: also it's run by cool people who know what they're doing, i highly recommend them 20:39:55 polarian: irc.jump.org.uk #jump if you have questions prior to ordering 20:39:56 lw: any other alternatives to jump you recommend? just looking at my options 20:40:00 rsync.net for the win. you can just zfs send|recv directly to them. 20:40:09 jbo: where is it hosted 20:40:13 but i have 1 VPS, 8GB RAM, 1.5TB block storage, and i pay £21/month 20:40:20 polarian, I know you said you're lazy but c'mon... 20:40:21 https://rsync.net/products/locations.html 20:40:36 polarian: the only others i can think of are Mythic Beasts (good, but expensive) and Bitfolk (also good, but they are hosted at Jump anyway) 20:41:09 lw: I can't reach jump... 20:41:31 Mythic Beasts I have already used in the past... they are outstanding... they are the definition of you get what you pay for... 20:41:57 you can't "reach" them, what do you mean 20:42:03 jbo: non-UK storage no thanks... 20:42:13 lw: can't connect to their website 20:42:19 times out 20:44:39 that's weird, is your ipv6 broken? 20:44:44 IPv4 20:44:49 my laptop doesn't have IPv6 (too lazy :P) 20:44:53 my servers have IPv6 though 20:45:17 mtr and traceroute seems to suggest jump edgerouters are dropping all packets 20:45:23 oh yeah, their IPv4 site does seem to have some issues 20:45:28 oh... 20:45:39 wait nvm its making it through the edgerouters, its the internal network dropping it 20:46:53 polarian: i nudged them on irc 20:47:06 Thanks 20:47:11 it is cool they have an IRC channe;l 20:47:17 lw: by any chance you used AAISP before? 20:47:36 you seem into the tech savvy companies, so if you haven't tried AAISP I will be shocked 20:48:05 polarian: AAISP is our ISP and also my mobile phone provider (sip2sim) 20:48:11 yeah thought so :P 20:48:17 pricy, but well worth it 20:48:36 it's not cheap, i pay about £80/month for internet + sim service, but yes it's worth it 20:48:39 they provide my server network, and have been extremely useful 20:48:58 plus they entertain my idea of running a BSD router (currently OpenBSD) 20:49:35 i hope they'll add some better options for sip2sim data though, at the moment the only option is the £35 'unlimited' plan which is more than i want to pay 20:49:57 iirc they were phasing out the sims 20:50:05 their contract with O2 is coming to an end iirc 20:50:24 wait I am pretty sure I have seen you in #a&a how could I forget... 20:50:27 that's old news, they phased out the old service, they have a new service with ONSIM/Mobile-X 20:50:33 which is based on EE with O2 fallback 20:50:53 thats much better 20:51:00 EE network is fast... even if the coverage isn't great 20:51:07 it certainly is for me as i get full 4 bars with EE, O2 only had 1-2 bars at best 20:51:26 I looked into getting a sim from a&a but for the amount of data I would use it would have costed me £50/month 20:51:27 gotta have all the bars 20:51:37 which is eye watering considering spusu gives me more than enough data for £9/month 20:51:41 and uses EE's network 20:51:44 and supports esims 20:51:48 polarian: i believe the new "unlimited data" SIM is £35/month vs. £10/month for voice-only 20:52:01 thats not bad... 20:53:05 it's still a trial service though and IME that's really the case... sometimes calls randomly don't connect 20:53:23 aiui they're raising this with ONSIM and working on fixing it 20:53:42 (at least that's what RevK and AA-Steve said when i complained the other day) 20:54:04 onsim uses the business backhaul too 20:54:09 which is a lot less congested 20:54:36 sounds cool though 20:54:54 yeah i've been pretty happy with it so far, certainly the customer support is a lot better than O2 20:55:11 not sure if you followed my O2 saga in #a&a but i had no service at all for 3 months and O2 literally did not care 20:56:30 https://www.aa.net.uk/etc/news/data-allowance-on-sip2sim/ 20:56:33 I like how they limit hotspots 20:56:38 but its so easy to spoof it 20:56:54 you remove the inital hop to the phone... 20:57:22 so the packet looks like it has come directly from the phone 20:57:29 I assume this would be illegal though 20:57:40 yeah, i'm 100% sure that's not AA's policy though, it's something ONSIM imposed on them 20:57:52 lw: my friend uses O2... we both are in London and he doesn't seem to have any issue 20:57:57 so maybe its a regional thing 20:58:17 people tell me three works really well and to use smarty, I did use smarty once... the three service was so horrific I had to cancel 20:58:23 I would average 100kbps 20:58:26 polarian: i'm sure it is, or perhaps it was a me-specific thing because i'm sure a nationwide 3-month outage of O2 would have been reported in the press :-) 20:58:33 it didn't matter where I was in North London 20:58:37 I was lucky to get 100kbps 20:58:38 but point is, they didn't care at all or do anything to fix it 20:58:43 even worse it was ~15% packet drop 20:59:02 I will never trust 3 again 20:59:04 tbh i might order the £35/month data sim, it is a lot of money but... feh 20:59:21 someones got money to burn 20:59:24 I dual sim 20:59:45 i really don't have much money (i earn £20k pa) i just care a lot about functional internet access 20:59:59 I have a lebara cheapo sim which I use for calling and as backup data... (5GB of vodafone data) and then I use a spusu esim as a data sim which uses the EE backhaul and is FAST 21:00:13 vodafone has the coverage almost everywhere but is pretty slow everywhere (~10mbps) 21:00:22 EE where it has coverage can easily get into 200-300mbps on LTE 21:00:31 I assume 5G would be faster too... 21:00:48 lw: how do you afford AAISP then? 21:01:48 polarian: £20k pa is £1,600/month, AA costs £80/month? 21:02:12 i pay far more in rent and groceries than i do to AA 21:03:02 like if i moved to TT maybe i'd pay £20/month for Internet but i'd only be saving £60/month which is the cost of two takeaways 21:03:17 so i just eat less pizza and get better Internet 21:05:21 so... i have a system, and the primary drive just went out on me. i didn't make any backups because it is a pretty basic setup. but i have a set of drives in a zfs pool. if i drop a new drive into the computer for the primary drive, enable zfs, then run `zpool import -a` will it reconnect my pool? or are there other things i'll have to do? 21:07:22 desnudopenguino: you probably need to forcibly import the pool as the host will have changed - run 'zpool import' for a list of importable pools, then 'zpool import ' then it'll probably tell you that you need to run 'zpool import -f ' which will actually do the import 21:07:35 s/host will/hostid will/ 21:08:34 lw: okay, cool! that seems easy enough 21:08:37 the -f is to override the hostid mismatch, which is intended to prevent a pool being imported on two systems at the same time 21:09:35 that makes sense. 21:12:06 phew that's a load off of my mind. i wasn't sure if i'd have to jump through other hoops to get it working with a fresh install. i should probably make a backup of my OS disk somewhere available outside of the box so i can just dd it to a new disk. then i'll be prepared for this 21:12:52 you could always zfs send your OS disk to the redundant zpool 21:13:08 then you could restore the OS by just booting from the install media and sending it back to the new root disk 21:27:02 now that's an idea! do you mean set up a zpool for the OS disk, with redundancy (like a mirror?) then if one disk goes out, boot it and use the backup disk? 21:28:24 desnudopenguino: well, ideally your boot disk would be mirrored, but i was thinking in the case that it's not, when the disk fails, you just replace it, then zfs send the backed up datasets back to the new disk 21:35:05 oh! that's a neat idea as well. 21:43:07 lw: if you are knowledgable, why aren't you in more skilled profession? 21:43:14 I doubt computer scientists are paid £20k 21:43:21 the entry wage is £30-40k iirc 21:43:27 also thanks for the help 21:44:47 "more skilled profession"? what do you mean? 21:45:09 i work in IT, my day job involves writing F# code for data transformation in local government finance 21:45:19 seriously 21:45:24 they only pay you £20k? 21:45:36 for part time work, yes. there's not a huge amount of demand for this work 21:45:49 hmm 21:45:53 sounds sucky 21:45:56 which is why i applied to Klara... 21:46:17 if you got so much knowledge how come nobody takes you on? competitive market? 21:46:45 i have crazy brain and can't work for people? 21:48:04 work for yourself? 21:48:19 sure, then i'd make no money at all 21:48:19 (I know its not that easy) 21:48:34 sure... you need a business stategy of course 21:49:26 do you have any idea what it's like to have a personality disorder? i'm frankly amazed i'm not homeless and that's mostly because of luck 21:51:08 * polarian googles personality disorder 21:52:12 ohhh its a group of disorders 21:52:36 well I guess congrats on being self sufficient :) 21:54:52 my particular PD has a 10% incidence of suicide so honestly i think i'm doing pretty well just to be talking here 21:58:45 polarian: [#jump] www.jump.net.uk ipv4 problem is fixed, was a faulty static route on the host machine 21:59:07 lw: thanks a ton 21:59:29 polarian: this problem aside, i still recommend Jump... this was only about the www machine specifically 21:59:46 oo jump is in telephone house in the docklands 22:04:07 lw: iSCSI looks appealing but £25/TB is quite a lot... I get it is because of all the redundancy they provide... a vps looks ideal, £10 for 1.5TB of RAID 1 HDD for backups 22:04:35 I can then expose it as block storage to be mounted on my home server... or I can copy zfs directly over to it... 22:04:36 polarian: ignore the iSCSI stuff, that's mostly aimed at people with colo servers 22:05:14 lw: they do supports freebsd right? 22:05:22 on request? 22:05:35 polarian: i don't think they updated the website yet, but yes, they do support freebsd now (after i nagged Andrew about it) 22:10:29 lw: legend 22:10:39 this looks like a good solution as a cheaper alternative to mythic beasts 22:10:41 thanks a ton 22:10:58 lw: you ever been to *bsdcon? 22:11:19 heh no 22:12:25 ah... I am going this year... was just curious 22:12:50 is there one in the UK? 22:13:00 looking at company house filings jump network ltd is pretty small... 22:13:03 i could probably expense that... 22:13:19 lw: no... the closest is EuroBSDCon which rotates around Europe... it will be in Dublin, Ireland this year, hence why I am going 22:13:26 it wont be held in UK for at least 20 years 22:13:28 polarian: yeah it's a tiny company, it basically started as a couple of people with a server rack who wanted to offer colo to people 22:13:51 which, to me, is a positive thing 22:14:14 james is online on #jump now btw if you wanted to ask anything 22:15:06 small companies <3 22:15:30 I am going to go watch house of dragons, thanks a ton for all the advice 22:39:40 Is there any way to issue ATA secure erase on FreeBSD, or is hdparam used like on Linux? 22:57:43 hdparam is within freebsd man pages... but i cant seem to find it in the port tree or anything either 22:57:45 any ideas?