00:03:41 cracauer, major lol @ that germany map 00:44:38 jbo: I am from Hamburg, so... :-) 00:45:21 cracauer :D 00:55:57 hmm. i wonder how hard it would be to maintain different versions of gcc and clang to do regression testing 00:57:23 not at all? 00:57:38 multiple versions of gcc and llvm are available from ports 01:33:56 has anyone experience when a bhyve shows as STOPPED but when you try to start it, with vm start it says it is running.. like it is locked in a loop of NOT knowing what is going on with it? 01:40:42 voy4g3r2, yes 01:41:16 voy4g3r2, althought maybe not... I ran usually into the issue that after shutting the VM down it said "locked" and never transitioned to "stopped" 01:41:20 kevans, any update on the newlib stuff? 01:46:42 jbo: is there some kind of "lockfile" that prohibited you? i do not see anything in my /stroage/bhyve/current directory even with ls -lsa 01:47:08 it baffles me.. vm poweroff current vm stop current all say it is not running.. until i do vm start current.. it is like i am running.. how is that even possible? 01:47:15 voy4g3r2, got a bhyve process running? 01:48:18 https://dpaste.org/WW45Q 01:48:19 Title: dpaste/WW45Q (Plain Text) 01:48:32 nope.. nothing 01:48:45 ps -aux | grep bhyve no? 01:49:04 nope, even ps ax | grep bhyve 01:49:10 i just see the grep command itself :) 01:49:23 voy4g3r2, what does 'vm list' report in that state? 01:51:54 https://dpaste.org/bsBL8 01:51:55 Title: dpaste/bsBL8 (Plain Text) 01:51:57 it is stopped :) 01:53:40 voy4g3r2, oh, so you are starting it and it simply doesn't seem to start? 01:53:52 yeah, sorry i may not have been very clear 01:53:53 voy4g3r2, this looks like sysutils/vm-bhyve: check the vm-bhyve.log file in the vm dir 01:55:06 status one code exit.. 01:57:45 well looks like some debug options are needed, better than i was before 01:59:17 i think i am just going to try and reboot this host.. to make this easier 02:02:38 i do not get it.. 02:02:42 reboot the damn host and it is now working.. 02:04:37 Did you try turning it off and back on? 02:04:39 i will chalk this up to .. it is just being a pain 02:04:42 skered: yup 02:04:51 IT crowd in full effect! 02:04:59 great british show! just awesomeness 02:06:13 i should put that on my rewatch list.. if i can find it on a service 02:26:53 voy4g3r2, for the past few days I started to suspect that might be something fishy going on with the nvme disk backend 02:26:56 but I have no proof yet. 02:27:03 voy4g3r2, what's your host oS? 02:42:39 freebsd 14 02:42:43 14.0-RELEASE-p3 02:42:46 FreeBSD momas.home 14.0-RELEASE-p3 FreeBSD 14.0-RELEASE-p3 #0: Mon Dec 11 05:07:37 UTC 2023 root⊙adn:/usr/obj/usr/src/arm64.aarch64/sys/GENERIC arm64 02:42:51 oh crap wrong box.. 02:43:17 FreeBSD harley.home 14.0-RELEASE-p5 FreeBSD 14.0-RELEASE-p5 #0: Tue Feb 13 23:37:36 UTC 2024 root⊙adn:/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/sys/GENERIC amd64 02:44:17 jbo: the host is 14 as above.. the image itself is current as of a few days ago 02:45:04 jbo: well, "it's complicated" 02:45:38 I can just always build newlib as nano and symlink the nano names, but newlib doesn't provide a libc++ 02:45:54 I would need to also grab libstdc++ and build that against newlib 02:46:18 jbo: FreeBSD current.home 15.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 15.0-CURRENT #3 main-n268498-161984ade1fa: Fri Feb 23 08:58:24 EST 2024 chrisdavidson⊙ch:/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/sys/GENERIC amd64 02:46:23 that is the image on the host 02:46:39 wow, I want big version numbers too 02:50:52 i am going to ask the ask the weird question; is geom the utility i use to "copy" a partition table 02:50:53 kevans, was that a typo when it comes to libc++ vs. libstdc++ ? 02:56:39 voy4g3r2, you could use gpart-backup/gpart-restore 02:59:47 jbo: they're both a libc++, but libstdc++ is the GCC spelling (maybe there's other differences, I try not to know these things :-)) 03:03:24 kevans, that's why I asked - because they are distinct libraries. both of them implement the standard C++ library (plus custom stuff) but they are different libraries :D 03:03:40 kevans, what I mean to say: it's not just different spelling. they are entirely different projects/libs 03:03:58 kevans, what's your current plan for addressing this "issue"? :/ 03:05:33 kevans, newlib itself is fine & fun (and I would appreciate the port update if you can already make that happen) but we'd certainly want/need a libstdc++ built against newlib too for that toolchain to be useful when dealing with C++ code 03:07:50 jbo: then i could use my zfs snapshots to just then move the data? 03:08:04 i have had this dang 1tb nvm.e drive in my machine and just delaying moving it to the main drive 03:11:55 voy4g3r2, if you only need to move data and and both source and dest are zfs then use zfs send|recv 03:12:39 hrm.. why does nvm.e drives have a nvme0 and a nda0 03:12:42 errr 03:16:44 because 14.0 got a new driver 03:17:32 jbo: right, I'm guessing there's no value in a libc++ and all of the value in libstdc++ 03:17:42 I don't really have a plan yet, if I'm being honest 03:17:51 kevans, exactly, that is why I wanted to clarify earlier - not to be a PITA. 03:17:57 kevans, time to make a plan :> 03:18:02 I think I'd lean towards fetching libstdc++ and building it as part of the newlib build, rather than a new port 03:18:26 kevans, I'd generally agree. because "worst case" a user/consumer of the newlib port simply ends up with a libstdc++ that they don't use. 03:18:42 I was looking around at what linux does, and some distros have a libstdc++-*-newlib package distinct from newlib 03:18:44 kevans, you can always hide it behind an option but not sure if worth the grouble 03:18:45 yeah 03:18:58 and I don't think libstdc++ would add a massive amount of build time either 03:19:03 kevans, I think both are fine. personally, I'd rather have a separate port than an option that is not default-on 03:19:07 presumably it has very few dependencies, but I'm not sure 03:19:32 honestly I probably wouldn't bother with an option, but I guess it depends on how much overhead it adds (dependencies / build time) 03:19:53 kevans, if an option becomes relevant / worth-discussion, I'd opt for a separate port tbh 03:20:02 *nod* 03:20:31 kevans, not sure how much build time matters for a port like this either. it's not a high-freq port and it's almost definitely going to be a leaf port 03:20:49 we'll see how bad it really is, I've never tried building libstdc++ and I don't know how horribly integrated into the GCC build it might be 03:21:04 luckily, you're about to find out 03:21:07 I am counting on you here :D 03:21:13 :-) 03:21:17 (not kidding) 03:21:18 :D 03:22:01 contemplating building just the nano variant of that one as well and providing it under both names 03:22:12 I don't really have a good notion of how bad -Os is vs. -O2 03:22:33 .oO (or was it -Oz in GCC land? grr) 03:22:37 oh, fair point. is that the -*- from the linux land? 03:22:42 nah it's -Os 03:22:48 which is fully because s = size or speed? :D 03:22:50 (it's size) 03:23:16 kevans, I didn't consider that... how do linux packagers handle that? 03:23:50 I think some of them symlink and just build one variant, others run the build twice (one nano, one not nano) 03:23:59 didn't feel like a clear consensus 03:24:23 the nano build is actually not bad; seemed to shave off 10-15k on average 03:24:24 alright, you go do the right thing and tell me when you want me to test :> 03:24:29 *nod* 03:24:48 kevans, I'm doing my part elsewhere: https://reviews.freebsd.org/D44067 03:24:49 Title: ⚙ D44067 devel/openocd: Overhaul Makefile 03:24:55 it's cycling in my free time with adding ECC support to pkg, whichever sounds more fun usually takes the slot for the night 03:25:24 kevans, definitely the libstdc++ - no question about it :p 03:26:56 see i don't know, i'd really like to escape rsa some day 03:28:09 understandable 03:28:23 but see, I'd really like to use gcc 13 for my cm4 builds .__. 03:30:53 jbo: thanks on the gpart stuff.. painful at first.. but i got the drive "cloned" now to resize and copy 03:31:58 happy to help 03:33:29 and it looks like with the partition table setup, i got my zfs layout so i can use zfs recv 03:33:32 but we shall see 03:43:24 https://dpaste.org/NQ1oe <--just beautiful 03:43:25 Title: dpaste/NQ1oe (Plain Text) 03:44:59 What was that sysctl that allows use of partition tables which fail the check? 03:46:56 cracauer: that directed towards me? 03:48:33 cracauer: it was some bit in kern.geom.debugflags, no? 03:49:25 voy4g3r2: no, unrelated. 03:49:34 debugflags=0x10, maybe? (see description in geom(4)) 03:49:49 cracauer, is always up to no good 03:50:48 this is true 03:51:34 cracauer: ah, i was just playing with sysctl while doing this gpart and geom stuff.. it was just "odd" it came up 03:54:51 man, I need to go re-wire some stuff in our racks tomorrow 03:55:07 I am pushing internal backups over a 1gbps connection while everything else is 10gbs 03:55:27 239.8 GB ETA 0:35:38 03:55:29 q__q 03:57:54 kern.geom.part.check_integrity 03:58:04 kevans: thanks. 03:58:39 Intact partition tables are boring. 03:59:01 well tp-link jetstream omada based poe is loud 03:59:15 ah, sorry 03:59:17 err.. this network stuff.. too many options, information overload 04:10:35 kevans, is bugmeister@ somebody being smart when they choose their handle or is that a legit group? 04:11:44 never mind... the wiki helps... 04:12:27 heh, group :-) 04:12:43 indeed 04:12:44 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=277241 04:12:47 Title: 277241 – devel/ocaml-camlp4: Upgrade to ocaml 4.14.1 04:12:49 no idea why this is assigned to bugmeister@ tho 04:13:35 is there a way to make man search for manual pages in a specific directory 04:13:37 no idea what happened there 04:13:46 ohh 04:13:58 note the metadata change; it was created in spam 04:14:19 fixed 04:16:02 fixed for real this time, even. for some reason I thought the default assignee was ports@, but alas; no. 04:17:09 nevermind i found it its the -m flag 04:17:25 fsck says "Journal inode removed". Nothing at all is wrong with this disk. 04:18:38 kevans, thanks! 04:19:49 cracauer, I rarely say this / this rarely happens but that line is t-shirt worthy: Intact partition tables are boring. 04:24:06 imo he's got a lot of good material, you just have to stalk him a little bit 04:24:33 I only stalked him on the forum so far. prime dude. saw him on irc the first time yesterday 04:29:51 admittedly i try not to venture onto the forums unless i'm linked to something specific to look at 04:31:01 Is anybody using CBSD? 04:31:17 s2r, yes - and I am dealing with the same thing right now ;) 04:31:47 kevans, it's interesting... I was quite active there the past few years but since I became a committer I notice that I am getting more and more passive there. 04:31:47 jbo, you mean moving vms? 04:32:01 s2r, dealing with "the issue" preventing me from 13.2 -> 14.0 jup. 04:32:42 jbo: ah, that's interesting 04:32:54 i only recently created an account just to necro an old thread 04:33:01 kevans, interestingly, I have made similar observations with others before me 04:33:02 jbo, Now I ran into a bigger problem. I tried exporting with bexport and after that command the VMs are not listed and can not start them. with a simple bls nothing is shown. 04:33:23 kevans, very well :D 04:33:49 every time i'd looked at the forums since i started using freebsd, it felt like the s/n ratio was quite bad 04:34:33 jbo, I ran sudo cbsd bexport jname=ubuntu2 and after that I got an error: Error in ___NCSTART_DATA=1: Unable to fetch vm data from: /usr/jails/jails-system/ubuntu2/local.sqlite and from that moment the VMs are not listed so I can't start them... 04:35:10 kevans, indeed. but I guess it's sort of operating as a "filter" if you know what I mean - so I'm not complaining about that necessarily. Imagine that kind of traffic on the MLs... 04:35:17 yeah 04:35:24 It must be something with a symlink 04:35:58 kevans, as the forum helped me when I was even less experienced than now I try to stick around to "give back". 04:36:15 s2r, that sounds like fun 04:36:30 s2r, did you mess with the paths _before_ you exported? 04:43:36 jbo, I didn't change anything. I thought that exporting would not create any problems. 04:44:37 s2r, that is a reasonable thought to have. I have not encountered that issue before. 04:44:55 s2r, I assume your VMs still exist tho? 04:45:44 s2r, I was a very happy cbsd user the past 8-ish years but I'm starting to "migrate away" slowly. nothing against cbsd or the author (great guy) - maybe it's just me having acquired enough experience to handle things manually. 04:46:43 I opened 28 issues on the CBSD GH page in the last four years :/ (and, to be fair, the author always responded very quickly and provided a decent explanation or solution) 04:47:52 it's just a weird mix between "advanced features" and "silly restrictions" that I seem to run into frequently - but again, that is almost certainly just me. 04:48:20 the author is an extremely patient & helpful guy :) 04:48:39 jbo, it's still there I tried to create a new VM and then use the disk of the troubled VM but bconstruct-tui says that the ip is already used by the old vm. So it's not found when trying to start it but it is found when I try to create a new one. 04:48:59 jbo, yes Oleg is kind. 04:49:15 s2r, does cbsd bls error out or succeed and just not list anything? 04:49:48 jbo, cbsd bls -> Unable to fetch vm data from: /usr/jails/jails-system/ubuntu2/local.sqlite 04:50:05 jbo, but that file exists and has data. 04:50:05 s2r, and the file exists at that location? 04:50:19 s2r, can you do an integrity test on the sqlite db? 04:50:31 jbo, -rw-rw---- 1 cbsd cbsd 69632 Dec 1 08:46 /usr/jails/jails-system/ubuntu2/local.sqlite 04:50:47 Dec 1 ?!?! 04:51:01 jbo, how do an integrity test, I'm afraid of running cbsd initenv 04:51:48 jbo, is it wrong december 1st? It's a production vm nothing changes in the configuration 04:52:14 s2r, cbsd initenv is generally harmless. you should be running that after every cbsd update anyway. but I was suggesting an sqlite3 test (outside of cbsd) 04:52:45 PRAGMA integrity_check or whatever it was 04:52:54 jbo: *nod* that's fair (re: 'giving back') 04:53:13 (5 points for gryffindor if you backup the sqlite file first, s2r) 04:54:13 jbo, after initenv the VM is shown in bls 04:54:22 s2r, awesome 04:54:29 jbo, I already did it. 04:54:38 jbo, but it won't start. 04:54:50 what does it say? 04:55:23 jbo, it was not listed. but it was running.... 04:55:37 jbo, with a bstop it stopped, now I will try to start it... 04:59:44 jbo, it worked.... now I can go to sleep... 2am 05:00:16 s2r, glad to hear that! 05:00:21 s2r, 6am here so... lucky you. 05:03:46 jbo, thanks for your help! Goodnight for everybody 05:29:09 o/ 05:29:15 happy to help 07:39:02 so regarding the noises this ThinkPad E14 is making at me, is there anything FreeBSD's Intel HD Audio driver could be doing that leaves the sound chip in a malfunctioning state that persists across reboots? I'm a bit confused about how on FreeBSD, the sounds never go away until I cold boot, but when I boot into Linux, the sounds play on that initial boot, but then they seemingly stop for the time being 10:39:13 tm512: that is crazy. what happens if you soft reboot in linux? 10:39:34 also i bought a thinkpad recently. amazing construction 10:41:57 I haven't done extensive testing with Linux. I'm honestly at the point where I'm looking at buying a different laptop, seeing if this seller will honor a return on the E14 10:42:27 due just to the sound issue? 10:43:20 i got a carbon x1. at first i thought there was a battery problem. then I realized it's actually a too-many-processors-problem. 10:44:00 When I did a build task which could be multi-tasked it basically heated up and all the cpus went to 100% and drain the battery by like 20% or something 10:44:36 but as long as i'm just using it for browsing or email the battery is fine 10:45:57 "just" over the sound issue? constantly having to work around the sound not working properly is a big problem. I've also got a strong suspicion that the same root cause is leading to the GPU driver errors I've been getting 10:48:15 like when the audio starts malfunctioning, it makes squealing or buzzing noises at me any time the sound hw gets initialized, including when resuming from suspend, but all audio breaks system-wide. I have to power down, give it a couple minutes to rest, and then do a cold boot in order to get it working again 10:48:25 doesn't seem worth the trouble 10:49:14 to me, it absolutely seems like grounds for returning the laptop for a refund. dunno what's wrong with it or how long it's going to last before its condition degrades further 10:59:21 oh ok, i didn't realize it was to that extent. 10:59:37 but to be honest i've rarely used laptops and I always immediately put freebsd or linux on them. 11:00:04 honestly i wanted a 17" screen but I don't think i was able to find one with the specs i wanted 11:13:03 maybe not the best financial decision but it's 3am so I just went for it. I'll figure out what to do with the ThinkPad E14 later on 11:13:55 bought a ThinkPad T495, one of the mid-tier configurations with a Ryzen 5 PRO, 16GB RAM, 256GB NVMe 11:14:01 cost $180 11:27:08 hmm that does sound like a good deal. did you buy it from lenovo directly or from a 3rd party? 11:37:11 johnjaye: on ebay, from a seller that has pretty good reviews, like >99% positive 11:37:22 same 11:37:32 sounds like you got unlucky then 11:38:42 I think you're misunderstanding. the ThinkPad E14 is the one with issues, the T495 is the one I just ordered, to replace the E14 11:39:10 the E14 was bought on ebay as well, for $150, also from a very reputable seller 11:44:58 right. but i mean I don't see what you could have done better to avoid the problem 11:46:41 one nice thing about this T495 is that it comes with an intel wireless card, supported by iwlwifi, which on FreeBSD seems to have better support than rtw88 that I had on this E14 (rtw88 was broken to the point of causing kernel panics, iirc) 11:47:04 and iwlwifi seems to be where all of the development focus is with these LinuxKPI wireless drivers 12:21:32 johnjaye: but yeah it's a case of "shit happens". I'm a bit skeptical of the refurbisher in the case of this E14 since a screw fell out of the laptop when I opened it up, seemed to just be let loose in the case 12:22:30 I'm wondering if all of this started because they didn't secure a screw well enough, or one dropped into the case unnoticed, and then while it was rattling around in there, it short-circuited something 12:23:31 do the specs normally get so specific you can tell the model of card? 12:24:11 I know from first-hand experience that short-circuits can make computers act in rather bizarre and seemingly inexplicable ways. I was pretty dumb when I first got a multimeter, and had the bright idea to see if I could measure the 5V coming out one of the USB ports on the back of my PC 12:24:23 that mobo was never quite the same after that point 12:25:27 yes i did something similar. random shorts lead to random problems 12:26:43 johnjaye: at least in this case, yes, evidently. the listing says it's a T495 type 20NK, which has an exact spec sheet available. I dunno about direct from Lenovo themselves, but I found https://www.zayntek.com/product/20nk000vus-lenovo-thinkpad-t495-20nk-ryzen-5-pro-3500u-2-1-ghz-wi-new 12:26:49 Title: 20NK000VUS -- Lenovo ThinkPad T495 20NK - Ryzen 5 Pro 3500U / 2.1 GHz - Win 10 Pro 64-bit - 16 GB RAM - - ZaynTek 12:27:20 confirms that I'm getting the 1080p IPS panel, and for wifi it has an Intel 9260 12:27:46 oh. ok 14:44:09 I'm trying to get spamassassin running on a FreeBSD server. the rc file is /usr/local/etc/rc.d/sa-spamd, I assed sa-spamd_enable="YES" to /etc/rc.conf, but if I try to run service commands against it, I get "/etc/rc.conf: sa-spamd_enable=YES: not found". did I miss something? 14:44:24 s/assed/added/ 14:49:43 run "/usr/local/etc/rc.d/sa-spamd rcvar" and see what it says you're actually supposed to put there. probably take the other thing out. 14:52:26 isley: thanks! according to that it needs to be spamd_enable 14:52:44 but the service name is still sa-spamd... that's a little confusing, but so be it 14:53:58 it looks like it's happy now 15:13:46 hi jbo, worse problem now. 15:14:20 jbo, I could start the vm but inside there's data from december... I'm going to have a panic attack..' 15:15:09 jbo, I remember you pointed me in the chat that a date from Dec 1 in local.sqlite. Well i don't know what the vm has old data. 15:15:43 jbo, I do a diff backup daily but the backup directory shows the last backup from 20231202 15:30:27 Is is possible that bhyve starts a VM using a .vhd disk from a snapshot ? I started a VM and the data inside is OLD, it was working fine until midnight that I tried to export the VM using CBSD bexport. 15:32:04 Or maybe the VM (linux ext4) detected errors and rolled back? 16:04:16 s2r: there is a #bhyve channel on this network, they may have better guidance than is possible here 16:19:31 s2r, did you create the vm snapshots via cbsd or manually? 16:53:05 tsundoku, in rc.conf, i guess it should be spamd_enable="YES" 16:53:39 oh missing a scroll ... sorry, 17:07:50 jbo: around? 17:14:49 jbo, the disk file for the vm hasn't got snapshots. Don't know why it reverted to december 17:15:18 jbo, I didn't create any snapshot 17:15:34 jbo, the ones I've got are the ones created by freebsd-update 17:16:44 jbo, this are the snapshots that I have, ubuntu4 is a clone of ubuntu2 it also has old data. https://dpaste.org/LXK7u 17:16:45 Title: dpaste/LXK7u (Plain Text) 17:38:10 Anyone using sssd to authenticate users in FBSD 14 and Windows AD? 18:33:09 lw, here now, but about to join meetings 18:33:42 jbo: ah, just wanted to say i heard back from Factorio devs and they said they "might" consider supporting more platforms (like freebsd) after the expansion is done. also, ty for libmpeg2 commit 18:33:57 lw, that is awesome! thank you <3 18:34:08 lw, also ty for libmpeg2 18:34:43 lw, the sad (or nice) part is that last time I checked factorio was almost only depending on sdl2 so a native release seems very doable. 18:35:13 i think it needs opengl which means Mesa from ports, i don't know how that works for closed-source software... static link i guess? 18:35:30 iirc it only uses sdl to create the windows to run opengl in 18:35:30 lw, or just dynamically link and dlopen() ? 18:35:38 yeah that might work too 18:35:45 that is how you'd typically do it afaik 18:36:06 has anyone (cough otis cough) upgraded from net-mgmt/unifi7 to net-mgmt/unifi8? are there instructions or notes anywhere? (i checked UPDATING and the ports listing) 18:36:20 oh hi wcarson 18:36:25 hey there lw! :) 18:37:02 wcarson, I went from unifi5 to unifi6 to unif7 and never had problems 18:37:11 https://blog.insane.engineer/post/freebsd_unifi7/ 18:37:12 Title: UniFi 7 controller on FreeBSD 18:37:44 hm ok, i copied the backup dir just in case, but was wondering if i should do anything else 18:41:52 wcarson, I typically log into the web interface, pull a backup from there, then do the binary upgrade. 18:41:59 and if necessary, restore from backup (again, via the web interface) 18:42:41 lw, gotta run for a meeting now - thanks again for the update! 18:42:46 yeah, that's what i'm doing. wish me luck :D 18:46:19 wcarson: I upgraded from 7 -> 8 with no issue, no additional changes required to prepare 18:46:31 nice 18:48:28 I'm planning on doing a unifi7 to 8 upgrade soonish too 18:48:34 hah well, it seems to have worked, although the auto updating of all my APs at once was surprising. thankfully only a brief outage 18:49:08 jbo, I found that a snapshot is mounted on the directory of the vm. zroot/ROOT/13.2-RELEASE-p5_2023-12-04_162146/ubuntu2 /usr/jails/vm/ubuntu2. If I try to unmount it I get an error pool or dataset is busy. The VM is off, 18:49:27 mine was still on mongodb36, so it was a bit of a procedure to update mongodb to 4.4 18:50:25 huh, I don't recall it auto-updating o_o 18:51:37 It was a while ago when the unifi port switched from 3.6 to 4.4. 18:51:51 MonogoDB doesn't like it when you skip versions when upgrading 18:52:26 kevans: maybe i have an auto update option turned on somewhere 18:52:54 hmm yep, "automate device updates at 3am" 18:54:56 but what if you're still awake at 3am? :-) 18:55:24 an all too frequent occurrence 18:55:32 (turned that feature off!) 18:55:48 maybe that's your sign that you should be in bed, not that updates are all that commonplace 18:56:21 i'm unlikely to have noticed, as i tend to hard wire anything i actually care about hehe 18:56:30 ah, lucky 18:56:56 I haven't gotten up the courage or proper outfit for going into the crawlspace to try and wire stuff up 18:57:28 i think it's ridiculous all these new wifi-only houses they keep building 18:57:39 there's definitely mice, probably lots of spiders, just lots of stuff I'd rather not deal with rubbing all around i 18:57:42 in 18:57:58 just bring a cat with you :D 18:58:00 crawl space seems like a happy place for a brown recluse 18:58:10 yeah that's true 18:58:42 we're in an area with lots and lots of brown recluses, so that's a legitimate concern even 18:58:46 and yeah, wifi-only kind of sucks 18:59:17 from what i've read brown recluses (and black widows) are not aggressive spiders, and you're relatively unlikely to get bitten. i want to say they aren't even strong enough to bite you, without you exerting pressure onto them or something (of course, when you're crawling through their home...) 18:59:27 yeah we have them here as well 18:59:41 my dad got bit like 3 times on his calf 19:00:18 very cavalier about it, too 19:00:58 at first he didn't go to the doctor, not knowing what it was, but then it got pretty ripe so he went in and they gave him antibiotics. then he got bit two more times, but since he knew what it was and still had the medicine, he just followed the same procedure and those healed up just fine 19:04:44 ooof 19:28:27 wcarson: yes, there are instructions in UPDATING, basically 20230310, but I might be more explicit also for unifi7 to unifi8 upgrade 19:29:07 basically, backup, clean install, restore 19:29:08 yeah, ok, that's the process i followed figuring it would be similar :) 19:29:19 although i skipped cleaning out of curiosity, and it maintained my config 21:02:00 it's quiet tonight 21:22:11 jbo: we could change that, but it would just me "complaining" about this dang nvm.e drive and getting it mounted for moving zfs data 21:24:10 voy4g3r2, if you're mounting something you're probably already way off-track. if both are zfs just use zfs send|recv. 21:24:18 see 21:24:30 i have the drive partitioned like the main drive 21:24:40 so i got partitions but do i just do zfs send even if not mounted 21:24:59 1\ zfs doesn't know about partitions 21:25:00 2\ yes 21:25:43 sorry I thought I told you about zfs send|recv already yesterday - I must have been mistaken 21:25:58 you did.. i just assumed i needed to "mount it 21:26:02 so it was my misunderstanding 21:26:33 there shouldn't be anything to mount 21:26:47 if anything, you'd be mounting zfs datasets, but that would happen "afterwards" 21:27:12 so if i have these snapshots.. i shoudl just be able to send them to these partitions.. if i do it right 21:27:19 i think i need to lay these out 21:27:41 https://dpaste.org/D8aWO 21:27:42 Title: dpaste/D8aWO (Plain Text) 21:27:47 you don't zfs send to a partition, you send to another zfs filesystem 21:27:51 i am moving the zroot ones 21:28:08 you don't send/recv partitions. you send/recv to/from zpools 21:28:18 (or technically datasets, I'm not sure about that one) 21:28:59 zfs snapshot pool1/my/filesystem@copy; zfs send pool1/my/filesystem@copy | zfs recv pool2/whatever 21:34:25 so i again made this way to difficult 21:34:41 i setup syncoid and sanoid all that to do remote backups and now i just have to pull them in 21:34:47 after i create a new zpool 22:04:43 jbo: is convention to name the "main" drive zroot? and i really can name it anything i want? 22:07:53 voy4g3r2: I tend towards "tank" or sometimes other Matrix characters. 22:10:01 Oh, root, not pool. Sorry. 22:10:05 i just need to push through this.. i gotta make a /boot mount non-zfs 22:10:20 yeah, i am quite comfortable doing this as non-root stuff.. when i get the root, it is foreign to me 22:11:50 https://dpaste.org/c73Wm 22:11:51 Title: dpaste/c73Wm (Plain Text) 22:12:05 lets try this dd from one area to another.. can't be that hard :) 22:45:20 well i did find out my backup strategy sucks.. i do not even backup /etc 22:57:02 lw, it's time... 22:58:22 backing up /etc and /usr/local/etc is boring. I usually just read the files every couple of weeks to remember what changes I made to default configs - and more importantly: I have grown a habbit of just not changing defaults unless necessary :D 22:58:28 lw, you up? 23:06:22 jbo: yes, but afk for ~10 minutes 23:06:40 lw, I might try to get factorio running under wine now 23:06:45 I decided to just leave work and go home 23:15:15 always a good choice 23:15:23 lw, do I go for the .exe or the .zip from wube? 23:15:42 use the zip, just extract it somewhere 23:16:53 lw, trying to figure out how to install that shader (compiler?) you mentioned but in ultra lazy mode. care to help? :D 23:17:17 jbo: install winetricks, run wintricks, select default wine prefix, install windows components, d3dcompiler_47 23:18:02 If using Poudriere, please make sure your repo is setup to use FreeBSD:14:i386 23:18:03 wat 23:18:12 use wine64, not wine. wine is for 32-bit 23:18:43 (wine64 is what the package actually installs, wine is a wrapper script to use the 32-bit package) 23:19:17 oh sh*t there's even a handbook section on wine 23:19:26 not sure how I ignore that for so long... I have always been using a VM 23:24:05 lw, is there some magic I'm missing to get this working? just running winetricks doesn't give me the GUI, just some warnings and what I pasted here earlier. 23:24:31 lw, https://termbin.com/bn7f 23:24:53 well that was just stupid... --> https://termbin.com/purs 23:25:48 jbo: try running 'wine64 winecfg' to create the default wineprefix, then run winetricks 23:33:13 lw, no bueno 23:33:32 lw, 'wine64 winecfg' seems to work. I also added a C:/ drive and it created ~/.wine 23:33:42 winetricks still doing the same thing tho 23:33:46 PEBKAC? 23:34:26 jbo: try deleting wine prefix and restarting... with a 64-bit wineprefix it should say this at startup: warning: You are using a 64-bit WINEPREFIX. Note that many verbs only install 32-bit versions of packages. If you encounter problems, please retest in a clean 32-bit WINEPREFIX before reporting a bug. 23:36:31 lw, seems to work now... :/ 23:36:46 lw, do I need to add a C:/ drive under winecfg or is that optional? 23:37:14 shouldn't be needed, just check audio device is correct 23:37:22 and increase dpi if you use a hidpi display 23:44:07 lw it's working .__. 23:48:38 jbo: see you in three weeks :-d 23:49:13 sry I'm busy, ttyl 23:49:15 :p 23:53:24 I guess deathworld preset it is