00:22:41 <jbo> lw, ping
05:04:53 <voy4g3r2> @releng3.nyi.freebsd.org:/usr/obj/usr/src/amd64.amd64/sys/GENERIC amd64
05:05:23 <voy4g3r2> sorry about that, pasting error
05:17:19 <kevans> y'know as far as pasting errors go that was pretty innocenet
05:17:20 <kevans> innocent
05:19:39 <voy4g3r2> kevans: yeah, thankfully.. i am excited.. i got current working in a bhyve, thanks to the help here
05:20:10 <voy4g3r2> found out bvcp < vm-bhyve
05:20:20 <voy4g3r2> but i have too many tmux sessions open
06:15:17 <lw> jbo: unless you have another suggestion i'm probably going to resubmit the patch with the suggested IGNORE for python <3.10, and you'll just have to testport it as @py310 i guess (i'll check that works, obviously)
06:20:40 <lw> it's kind of disappointing that USES=python:3.10+ doesn't make this magically work, but perhaps that's deliberate so people don't end up with multiple copies of every library unless they explicitly ask for it with the py310 flavour
06:45:17 <rtprio> voy4g3r2: you mean you think bvcp seems better?
12:01:58 <voy4g3r2> rtprio: no, the vm-bhyve package was much easier to get operational. the bvcp setup, i could not get the "bridging" to work with the vm's to the host.
14:31:56 <uskerine> how do you delete a folder which is named '-p' ?
14:32:21 <uskerine> (something went wrong, clearly)
14:33:00 <Demosthenex> rm -- -p
14:33:03 <Demosthenex> ?
14:33:36 <uskerine> it is a directory
14:33:51 <uskerine> well rmdir -- -p
14:33:53 <uskerine> thanks
14:34:11 <uskerine> so -- disables interpretation of - as parameter?
14:35:13 <lw> -- causes argument parsing to stop, so everything after it is interpreted as argument, not option
14:35:22 <lw> er, option passing to stop, i mean
14:36:15 <uskerine> ok thanks
15:08:17 <otis> or rm ./-p
15:12:25 <drobban> dch: do you have any article available on how your tailwind build is setup?
15:22:49 <CrtxReavr> escapting and tab completion still seems safer.
15:23:00 <CrtxReavr> o_O
15:23:06 <CrtxReavr> Escaping
15:32:49 <lw> CrtxReavr: you can't escape options like that (if you mean something like 'rmdir \-p'?)
15:52:49 <CrtxReavr> Sure you can.
15:53:45 <CrtxReavr> 'course. . . in ~33 years of using UNIX, I can probabaly count the time I've used rmdir on one hand. . . rm -rf, yo!
15:54:52 <llua> you actually can't do that
15:54:56 <lw> no you can't: https://www.le-fay.org/tmp/30d/q0feLn.txt
15:55:23 <kevans> heh, i just had the same thought the other (re: rmdir vs rm -rf)
15:55:26 <kevans> day
15:55:59 <lw> CrtxReavr: \- doesn't do anything here because the option is being parsed by the command (rm/rmdir), not the shell, so adding \ makes no difference, the command it passed '-p' as the argument either way
15:56:33 <lw> if the file was called '*', then \* would work...
15:56:56 <lw> (and it it was called '-*', you'd need both, rm -- -\*)
15:57:00 <lw> s/it it/if it/
15:57:36 <kevans> otoh, if that's the only file with a leading hyphen... :-)
15:57:59 <lw> heh, true
15:58:24 <kevans> (not that I'd advise someone asking a question like this to just take that risk, of course)
15:58:36 <paulf> use Dolphin :-)
15:58:48 <lw> kevans: don't you put - at the start of all your filenames to confuse potential hackers though?
15:59:00 <lw> "damnit, why can't i exfiltrate this data, it keeps saying bad option!"
16:00:06 <kevans> aha
16:06:45 <CrtxReavr> Yeah. . . I guess filenames starting with - is a wonky corner case.
16:07:39 <lw> i'm actually surprised how often people ask how to delete a file beginning with -, i don't think i've ever created such file in my life
16:07:42 <CrtxReavr> Escaping and tab completion does work in other case, as you alluded to.
16:07:47 <lw> i guess it could happen as a result of a shell script error
16:08:33 <CrtxReavr> I like to mess with people by running 'dd if=/dev/urandom of=/lib/\*' on their systems.
16:09:06 <CrtxReavr> It's not destructive by itself, but what they do to "fix" it certainly can be.
16:52:45 <lw> is it still the done thing to call time() once per iteration of your event loop, or is gettimeofday() fast enough now (with the vdso stuff) that this is not necessary?
16:54:29 <dch> drobban yes but it’s not possible to build more recent versions they fucked it up so badly
17:02:33 <dch> drobban this is it https://docs.skunkwerks.at/s/WvHJP8OB_ I have a more recent version somewhere
17:02:34 <VimDiesel> Title: Porting tailwind cli to FreeBSD - HedgeDoc
17:02:46 <dch> let me rummage around a bit more I got as far as 3.3.1 IIRC
17:03:28 <dch> aah yes https://git.sr.ht/~dch/tailwindcss-builder/
17:03:30 <VimDiesel> Title: ~dch/tailwindcss-builder - helper script to build FreeBSD-based tailwind-css modules for Phoenix - sourcehut git
17:05:25 <dch> drobban: honestly it really turned me off tailwind in general, I loved the idea but I think I'm better off just  getting some css skills
17:17:28 <drobban> dch: =) well.. Wouldnt say its a skill issue question. =) for me its more about keeping a coherrent design and theme with sane naming.
17:19:20 <drobban> dch: thanks for the links
17:22:09 <dch> drobban do you know any recent news about their rusty work? I am hoping it will include something like https://lightningcss.dev/ and we would just have it build natively and forget the pain and suffering
17:22:10 <VimDiesel> Title: Lightning CSS
17:23:07 <drobban> that would be awesome. No havent heard any.
17:40:44 <AmyMalik> can the freebsd version of pf filter traffic based on the jail it's coming from?
17:40:50 <AmyMalik> (or going to?)
17:42:08 <lw> if it's sending spam and running wordpress, my guess is it's an insecure wordpress plugin
17:42:16 <lw> er, wrong channel