02:45:53 can't load acpi_call: no such file or directory 02:46:39 that was from FreeBSD 14 kldload 02:47:08 oh, I had to install it 03:16:24 is loader.conf in /etc/ or /boot? 03:22:49 /boot 03:23:44 ...I think you can easily remember that as a nmenomic to "boot loader" with /boot/loader.conf :) 03:32:12 ok 06:10:05 thanks 06:24:00 hmm, was that supposed to be sarcasm? 06:40:20 ascreen: somethingm ust have clobbered the session 06:40:37 I'd be curious what the rest of t_session looks like 06:42:43 my first suspicion would've been something assigning it &null->blah, but the only non-NULL assignment to s_ttyvp dereferences it beforehand even 06:46:00 (which made more sense after I actually looked at the name) 07:29:52 Have a system that was running fine on 13.2 booting on a GPT partition'd disk with EFI and ZFS. Ran into a sudden power-off that left the EFI partition needing fsck_msdosfs. Wouldn't boot. Restored the EFI partition from backup. Now, when trying to boot, the system claims the disk doesn't have a partition table. Hook the disk to any other than the boot controller, and it shows up just fine with the partition table. 07:30:14 What's going on? How do I track this down? 09:05:10 kevans: i would take a thanks as a thanks. 10:14:23 meena: It depends on the user. 10:22:49 Hi! My serial console got stuck at ifconfig tun2 destroy -- neither Ctrl+C or Ctrl+Z helps -- any hints how I can recover from this without hard resetting the server? 11:01:44 Greetings people. I tried to dual-boot Windows 10 with FreeBSD 14.0-RELEASE, I did it. But when I was on Windows 10, after a short time Windows 10 freezed and was not responsive. I thought maybe the sectors are corrupt. But FreeBSD did not freeze, I tried fsck on FreeBSD's UFS partitons, no errors found. Also checked Windows 10's partition with Windows 10's utilites(chkdsh, sfc), even no errors on 11:01:50 Windows 10's partitions. 11:02:30 I tried to install FreeBSD first, and then Windows, so the locations of the partitions would change. 11:02:42 But still Windows 10 was freezing. 11:03:06 The repair man says my HDD is corrupted and needs to be changed. 11:03:18 Is it possible that my HDD is corrupted? 11:17:10 Is it old hdd? 11:17:37 tankf33der: I have been using it for 3 years. And I did not use my laptop much. 11:17:43 It was a 1TB HDD. 11:18:10 Install windows10 only and wait for freezing 11:18:36 tankf33der: I have done it several times. What is the point of it? 11:19:11 To check if hdd is ok 11:19:43 Hmm. Good idea. What if it freezes? 11:19:48 It means HDD is corrupted? 11:20:25 Maybe broken from age 11:20:59 It's age is not high. 11:21:06 I bought the laptop 3 years ago. 11:21:17 Sata? 11:21:18 But if it is corrupted, how does FreeBSD work? 11:21:33 Uses unbroken space 11:21:48 I do not remember, but on FreeBSD the device node was ada0p[1-10]. 11:22:07 tankf33der: I reversed the partitions' locations. 11:22:31 I installed FreeBSD at the top and Windows 10 at the bottom. 11:22:32 try to write to disk much 11:22:56 maybe check disk by programs from windows10 11:23:05 I have already done t. 11:23:08 done it* 11:23:11 ask master how he detect corruption 11:23:15 With chkdsk and sfc. 11:23:39 tankf33der: I will ask. 11:24:05 i am sure this is just hardware issue :) 11:25:00 If it was, then why FreeBSD worked normally? 11:25:08 I have to install FreeBSD alone. 11:25:11 And see. 11:25:15 Thank you for your time. 11:25:21 See you. 11:25:25 Welcome 13:20:31 its cold outside 12,4F outside inside i have 66F its getting cold in building 13:45:55 try recompile your port tree? 13:50:12 me? 13:54:52 Yes. 13:54:58 A joke/meme. 13:55:04 huh 13:55:08 k 13:55:09 Recompiling might heat yoru PC 13:55:14 your* 13:55:15 \o/ 13:55:39 -rvvv 14:07:55 any other ways to heat my building 14:08:13 any other joke to heat my building 14:14:00 Burn some Ethylene and recompile cromium at the same time? 14:14:10 Or....dont be naked? 14:16:07 Or if you have a magma-chamber near you, you can try to drill a hole in it : https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg26134722-100-worlds-first-tunnel-to-a-magma-chamber-could-unleash-unlimited-energy/ 14:16:08 Title: World's first tunnel to a magma chamber could unleash unlimited energy | New Scientist 14:17:52 But the best thing is probably open the windows a let the cold air out. 14:19:49 lol 14:27:17 meena: will do, but i don't have great steps to reproduce it 14:41:18 kevans: the s_* all seem weird? https://0x0.st/H67n.txt and t_sessioncnt is 0 14:47:26 is it possible to have multiple access points in one box set up on freebsd? 14:48:53 i have a router with two ath cards, hostapd works fine 14:49:06 but there seems to be no way to set up multiple cards in hostapd 14:49:20 i want to have both 2.4ghz and 5ghz, thus multiple cards 15:15:14 Hi. Installing kernel using make installkernel I got following error: 15:15:14 kldxref: /boot/kernel/kernel: too many segments 15:27:20 What can I do to avoid troubles? 15:47:19 FreeBSD is generating IP packets with invalid checksum. How do I debug that? I tcpdumped traffic and noticed checksums are wrong but I have no idea what I can do to fix it. 15:50:11 dautor: did you check on the receiving end? i have a feeling that might happen when the NIC is doing hardware checksums 15:50:49 Yeah, that's on the receiving side. I haven't tcpdumped sending side, though. 15:51:40 How do I disable hardware checksum offloading? I think it be that the kernel expects the hardware to do it, but in my case, the packets are not routed to the hardware actually. 15:52:24 because they are sent to a ng_bridge and destined to another netgraph node 15:53:25 ifconfig -rxcsum -txcsum should work (although i've never tried that) 15:54:15 oh, you also need -rxcsum6 -txcsum6 as those are separate flags, and -vlanhwcsum as well. and maybe -vlanhwtso and -tso ... jeez modern nics do everything in hardware 15:55:00 i have no idea how this interacts with hw/bridges 15:55:34 er, ng/bridges 15:55:38 unixwitch: It worked! Thanks a lot! <3 15:56:36 dautor: i think you should file a bug about that, it should never be required to disable hw csums 15:57:37 I will file it now. I'm not sure what should even happen... I would actually expect the kernel to automatically disable offloading when lower hook is not connected to upper. 16:00:03 i know if_bridge(4) (not the ng version) has some weird interactions with tso/lso and forcibly disables those on the underlying interfaces. perhaps ng needs something similar for csums 16:01:55 Can I jump from 12.4 to 13.2 using freebsd-update? 16:03:18 ferz: yes 16:08:04 unixwitch: thank you 16:08:52 unixwitch: I see ng_checksum exists... It seems like that could be the solution. I'm going to try and make it work with that first. 16:38:45 ferz: dont forgett to update your bootloader after upgrade BUT before "zpool upgrade" and "zfs upgrade" 17:25:17 Nixkernal: thank you 17:26:47 Is there any guide for dummies to update /etc/default/ files using freebsd-update? 17:29:12 For example: is local_startup var dropped from rc.conf? I don't see it anymore in new 13.2 rc.conf file while I'm using editor to fix it. 17:29:43 ferz: you should never edit files in /etc/default. for /etc/default/rc.conf, you put your local settings in /etc/rc.conf 17:32:59 unixwitch: yes, I've never touched them in /etc/default/rc.conf but the freebsd-update is finding differences between old /etc/default/rc.conf and 13.2 version. 17:37:28 I would like to keep only the latest version but it's not so easy to understand what to drop and what to keep: http://paste.scsys.co.uk/19441 17:37:30 Title: magnet_web paste from Someone at 217.168.150.38... 17:45:24 ferz, freebsd-update is walking you through a merge cycle so that you can update the /etc copy from the reference copy. If there are differences then just update them. That's the expected path. 17:46:10 The old mergemaster was more clear to understand: you can keep old, use new or merge file. 17:46:15 If things have gotten screwed up then I would manually update /etc/default/ files from a pristine reference copy such as one found at /usr/freebsd-dist/base.txz assuming that exists for you as it does for me when using freebsd-update. 17:46:52 Or you can always do a bsdinstall to a directory and create an unpacked directory tree of pristine files and use it as a reference. 17:47:19 I've never changed anything in /etc/default/ 17:47:52 Right. You have not changed anything there. But changes have been made in the released system bits. And so now for an upgrade you will need to upgrade your /etc bits to match. 17:49:00 ferz: uh, that's weird. i would keep whatever freebsd-update says is the new content, then grab the actual 13.2 /etc/default/rc.conf from git and copy it over (or at least diff it) 17:49:20 I'll dream a little and say that since we don't make changes to these files that I think the freebsd-update utility should be better about just performing the update without our help for those things. And I remember that in 12 it was better but for example now it is always prompting me that sshd_config is changed which is just noise to me. 17:49:54 ferz: freebsd-update is not supposed to work like this, it should just replaced unmodified files, so either it's a bug or you edited it by accident at some point 17:53:51 NixKernal No I´am not naked :)) If I open the windows I will only have more cold air inside :(( 17:55:57 kevin-oculus: Just leave the windows open to let the cold air out, it's the best and most economic method 17:58:03 kevin-oculus, Similar temperatures here. I am warm next to my running equipment but the fans are a little noisy here. :-) 18:07:22 unixwitch: if I answer 'no' when freebsd-update ask if it's resonable, how can I continue without to make it from the beginning? 18:08:30 most of the times it's not visible the filename using it from a console and ssh connection. 18:42:13 NixKernal Thats for summertime not wintertime with cold air outside 18:43:34 freezing fog 18:59:16 is FreeBSD cgit web frontend down for everybody, or just me? 18:59:50 zear: not loading here 18:59:59 thx 19:00:24 zear: if you need src, there's a copy on github https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-src 19:00:25 Title: GitHub - freebsd/freebsd-src: The FreeBSD src tree publish-only repository. Experimenting with 'simple' pull requests.... 19:00:36 according to the forums, the relevant people are aware of the issue. 19:06:51 kevin-oculus: Sorry i got that the other way around ;) 19:16:31 ascreen: t_session->s_count is plausible if something underflowed, but the rest is garbage so it seems more likely that something else overflowed their own allocation and took out this particular session 19:16:47 hard to say based on what's been written what that something else might be 19:19:26 I always use cgit.freebsd.org when I am discussing code and pointing other people to a specific line but for myself I always use my local checked out sandbox copy. 20:00:40 Do we have a way to "start service X after service Y" ? I know I can add the service next to the REQUIRED keyword in the rc.d script, but I wanted a way without modifications 20:05:37 i think i'm getting bored of audio/sublime-music before the port has even been committed... it has weird issues/bugs and development seems a bit dead 20:05:39 I don't think I understand it enough to say it but this is documented in rc(8) and rcorder(8) 20:06:16 And I know that for example this will print the order: rcorder /etc/rc.d/* /usr/local/etc/rc.d/* 20:09:20 antranigv: if you do a `man 8 rc` and do a forward-slash search for "REQUIRE", that might be what you're looking for. 20:09:40 rwp true 20:09:53 kenrap yes, but I want to do that WITHOUT modifying the rc.d script 20:10:01 say I want to run nginx after named 20:10:16 so in nginx's REQUIRE I add named 20:10:31 all good, except when nginx's rc script changes 20:11:01 depending on how things are, either my changes will be gone, or I need to look at diff, or the file might not me touched at all 20:11:29 I think I need to add __ 20:11:34 for rc.conf that is 20:12:17 I am reading the docs and I don't see a way to add a local override off to the side of the file and modifying the file seems to be the expected process. (mergemaster would then merge it on the next upgrade.) 20:12:42 so someone could do `nginx_require_add="named"`. well that's bad design but you get my point :D 20:13:00 I'll dig into the code and see how to create a dependency tree for rc 20:13:08 anyone runs freebsd on a thinkpad x250|? i cannot wake it up after sleep 20:13:17 Seems like for example nginx the entire script from /etc/rc.d/nginx could be copied to /usr/local/etc/rc.d/nginx and then that copy modified as needed. 20:14:04 mane, I have a similar problem and have not resolved it for myself yet but the laptop wakes up but the display driver is dark. I can ssh into the system but I haven't figured out the driver issue. 20:14:20 you need to reset vidseo 20:14:31 I think it likely that your x250 is awake but just without a working graphics display. 20:15:31 hw.acpi.reset_video=1 is what you need 20:15:55 rwp it has nothing to do with a graphics driver, the system does not wake up at all, it just remains asleep 20:16:03 i cannot resume it entirely 20:16:37 ...I was thinking that, e.g. copying the "nginx" rc file as "nginx-custom" and *THEN* modify the latter's contents without interferring with the original pkg provided file could be a way to go about, but that wouldn't solve needing "diff" every now and then... 20:16:46 whatever 20:21:23 this was fixed in a recent commit on main right? /usr/include/netinet/tcp.h:82:8: error: unknown type name 'inline' 20:21:34 maybe i didn't installworld recently 20:22:37 mane, I am pretty sure I tried that hw.acpi.reset_video=1 and it did not work on my Thinkpad x201 that I was using for testing. But I don't know. I'll try it again. 20:24:49 hmm ok apparentlty it was not fixed 20:25:09 wait no. it was. i just forgot to update the jail 20:26:03 This is kinda a Linux-question, but not fully. Anyone know how to install libfetch on Linux? 20:26:07 I can't seem to figure that out... 20:26:38 unixwitch: i finally starting looking at sanoid, holy moly is it easier than zfs-periodic or other zfs send | zfs recv things.. 20:26:46 fikran: that depends on your linux distribution, i suggest asking in #debian or #fedora or whatever whether it's been packaged 20:26:54 ^ 20:27:04 voy4g3r2: right? like i said when jbo was talking about this the other day, life's too short to write this stuff by yourself 20:30:04 exactly! 20:30:07 you just made me shit my pants 20:30:21 once i can figure out this flock /var locking, i think i am good 20:30:24 just pushed a commit and got an IRC highlight a few moments later... thought I fucked up. 20:30:42 apparently audio/cmus is also broken on freebsd, the file browser doesn't work properly... what do people use to play music (mp3/flac)? 20:30:44 unixwitch: do you use that command line utility to "push" the snapshots to a remote server.. or you do it in the cron job? 20:30:56 voy4g3r2: i have syncoid in cron 20:31:04 unixwitch: pine player on my mac, typically flac.. i loothe mp3 20:31:29 unixwitch: yeah, me too.. i am trying to figure out the remote part but i could just be reading things wrong. 20:31:41 jbo: nah, unixwitch was just complementing your skills and sanoid 20:32:03 jbo: I hope that was a figurative :) 20:32:18 kenrap, this time it was :D 20:32:27 phew 20:32:35 my blood pressure is certainly higher since I became a ports committer. 20:32:48 unlike src you push a commit and stuff breaks immediately :p 20:33:50 voy4g3r2: https://www.le-fay.org/tmp/30d/syncoid-backup.sh 20:34:15 jbo: I'm already getting high amounts of anxiety just from hearing about your anxiety :/ 20:34:33 ohh 20:34:34 unixwitch, I need to talk to you about sanoid at some point btw. I was playing around with it at home before putting it to use on servers and I had some weird behavior where syncoid wasn't able to successfully push "updates" after the first initial sync :/ 20:35:01 jbo: i am temporarily not using it because of a different issue where my zpool is reporting random corruption, triggered by snapshots... 20:35:10 well that is helpful, thank you unixwitch .. i am trying it under a backups user 20:35:25 those two things, you both bring up, does not give me much faith 20:35:36 but whatever.. can't fix something if you do not break it first 20:35:49 my issue at least is not caused by sanoid/syndoid itself, and i haven't seen anyone else report it 20:36:04 i might de-encrypt the pool and see if it's caused by that, or maybe try with GENERIC kernel 20:37:49 well my issue right now is.. trying to save a /var/run/sanoid/snapshot.lock file when backups can not write to that directory 20:44:29 Welp, it would be time for me to experiment with the new drm-61-kmod package and see if and how I can get my Arc A770 GPU to work 20:51:08 kenrap, Thank you for your work re GPU (I do not have it; for future) 20:52:04 parv: No problem! I'm thinking of making a reddit post guide if I'm successful 20:52:21 (assuming it's a bit of a process) 20:54:07 Going to jump back into 15-CURRENT first and learn to take advantage of BEs before getting started 21:18:33 huh, bectl isn't all that complicated... 21:19:54 Probably because of "newcomer" anxiety from half a year ago. 21:52:12 i do have to say sanoid code is quite nice to read 21:59:34 This may be heresy, but I find the per-application volume/mic controls in pulseaudio really helpful. I am curious whether that is actually what folks use these days for more advanced sound configuration, or is JACK still a thing? 22:02:03 rtyler: i used to do this but i found trying to mix every application in a way that works consistently was just too difficult. it's easier to just adjust my hardware volume control as needed 22:04:00 i do use pulseaudio though, connected to jack -> oss in bitperfect mode, that's mostly so i can use jack with ardour (which i still haven't gotten around to trying out) 22:05:04 success, we got sanoid backing up stuff and wow that was fast 22:06:21 I think sndio does something similar to pulseaudio but it's a simpler design. Although I suppose it really comes down to app support, so stick with pulseaudio 22:07:07 that's pretty much why i went with pulseaudio. i don't have any particular preference, if everything supported sndio i'd probably use that 22:10:26 fair enough, Iwasn't clear based on the handbook how/if pulseaudio was in good shape atopi FreeBSD 22:11:40 i haven't had any issues but i'm not doing anything complicated with it 22:12:20 rtyler: it's pretty good, pactl(1) is your friend also :) 22:17:13 and pacmd(1). This one is more useful because of it being a repl shell for pulseaudio 22:24:45 I forgot to uncomment the `KERNCONF=GENERIC-NODEBUG` and `WITH_MALLOC_PRODUCTION=yes` lines in my /etc/src.conf... 23:28:25 Is there a way to get JID from a ng_ether node? 23:40:47 (I am using VNET jails)