01:18:22 <voy4g3r2> rwp: okay.. i will give that a try.. this is only one of those disks.. i as not swaping things out
01:41:59 <jb1277976> Thanks rwp i got it figured out
02:40:38 <voy4g3r2> rwp: old age
02:40:41 <voy4g3r2> that does not sound good
02:40:54 <voy4g3r2> it passed but got a few Pre-fail and old-age
02:41:06 <voy4g3r2> i take it that means the drive is getting long in the tooth and may possibly fail
02:41:51 <voy4g3r2> rwp: https://pastebin.com/YSL7MgJD
02:41:52 <VimDiesel> Title: To check the status of drives, use the following: /usr/local/sbin/smartctl - - Pastebin.com
02:55:09 <jb1277976> im getting some kde errors about dbus after i uninstalled it. how do i capture the error and show it here ?
03:02:29 <voy4g3r2> jb1277976: i usually use pastebin.com if you have lots of txt to share with people..
03:11:31 <voy4g3r2> well 417 minutes to run a long test on a hard drive just seems like a very odd duration
03:51:49 <Macer> meena: With cmounts?
03:52:11 <Macer> Ah forgot that doesn’t work on irc. Wonder what that looks like lol.
03:53:27 <Macer> meena you have to build with cmounts after changing mount_helper.fs to mount_rclone in order to symlink it to mount_rclone and use it in fstab.
03:54:26 <Macer> I was able to build it just fine without fstab / helper support :P
05:15:41 <Beladona> I have a mountpoint /xyz on /ssdpool/xyz. How do I change it to another pool in another drive  which is /zroot/xyz?   This xyz has Postgres data. I believe if I change it, the data will migrate to another pool ?
05:40:13 <Beladona> got answer. nvm
07:30:43 <meena> Macer: building with cmounts requires fusefs-libs: https://www.freshports.org/net/rclone/
07:30:44 <VimDiesel> Title: FreshPorts -- net/rclone: Sync files to and from various cloud services
07:31:43 <polyex> 14
07:31:59 <polyex> why use rclone instead of rsync?
07:33:21 <meena> polyex: can rsync sync with s3 or Dropbox?
07:33:28 <polyex> dunno
07:33:50 <meena> "no"
07:34:53 <polyex> ah
07:35:43 <meena> So let's try again: why use rclone instead of rsync? because rclone does a completely different thing
07:35:59 <polyex> ty
07:40:12 <meena> you're very welcome
08:43:34 <richard_> hello
08:52:04 <angry_vincent> Hi.
08:54:59 <richard_> what backends are there for discover
08:56:22 <angry_vincent> i have no idea what this mean
09:04:20 <meena> richard_: do you mean kde?
09:13:17 <richard_> yeah
09:27:03 <babz> they stopped calling apps Ksomething ?
09:39:22 <meena> babz: since plasma, i guess?
09:39:40 <meena> I would've expected at least Diskover
09:57:48 <FaFaS> Hi. I am using acme.sh to manage LE certs using freedns hook. I am getting errors, when i try to renew the cert. I would like to ask for recommentation which other tool i could use instead, that supports freedns. Thanks!
10:11:20 <meena> FaFaS: what are the errors?
10:17:55 <FaFaS> 1st error: Can not find dns api hook for: dns_freedns (to fix it I created TXT record manually)
10:17:56 <FaFaS> 2nd error: Please refer to https://curl.haxx.se/libcurl/c/libcurl-errors.html for error code: 3 (to fix it, i modified /etc/ssl/openssl.conf to use MinProtocol = TLSv1.2)
10:17:57 <VimDiesel> Title: libcurl - Error Codes
10:28:24 <Macer> meena I had it installed. I wasn’t using the ports tree to build it though. I pulled it from github
10:29:38 <Macer> Wouldn’t come the header for it. (fuse.h). It doesn’t matter anyways. I already installed Debian on it. I’ll just keep FreeBSD on the nas where it doesn’t have to be a smb client (just a server)
10:29:51 <Macer> *find
10:31:38 <Macer> I was just tinkering to finally see if I could use fbsd as an end user but I need smb and if I have to work that hard just to use smb/cifs then the better solution is to just use Debian.
10:36:12 <meena> Macer: i did it from GitHub, too
10:36:39 <meena> and in that process did, https://github.com/rclone/rclone/pull/7435
10:36:40 <Macer> Odd. I had fuse libs installed and it did not want to build for me.
10:36:40 <VimDiesel> Title: Makefile: use POSIX compatible install arguments by igalic · Pull Request #7435 · rclone/rclone · GitHub
10:36:48 <meena> but haven't done your patch yet
10:38:23 <Macer> Well I want to say upstream rclone had it enabled but disabled it because issues.
10:38:47 <Macer> There was a big related to this somewhere even though building with cmounts is supposed to work.
10:38:51 <dch> mmm does an ssh user certificate contain any secret info? it seems it requires you to have the equivalent private key loaded to get access anyway
10:39:42 <dch> so I'm speculating wildly that it doesn't
10:39:53 <Macer> it contains a key to match the pubkey
10:40:29 <Macer> Passwordless keys could be pretty dangerous.
10:41:15 <dch> Macer: that doesn't really clarify it for me.
10:41:26 <dch> 1. cert won't work without corresponding key loaded
10:41:35 <dch> 2. does cert contain any secrets?
10:41:55 <Macer> No. It doesn’t. Only the secrets required to authenticate against the pubkey.
10:43:07 <Macer> I guess the pubkey is typically made with a source reference at the end of it (user@host)
10:43:17 <Macer> If you consider that private.
10:43:39 <dch> sorry I'm not following here... "Only the secrets required ..." what do you mean by that?
10:44:01 <dch> I can see what's in the cert via `ssh-keygen -Lf id_ed25519-cert.pub` for example
10:44:13 <dch> and it contains private info.
10:44:14 <dch> sure
10:44:23 <dch> but does it contain any *secrets*
10:44:45 <dch> private things like my address is not the same thing as a *secret*
10:44:51 <dch> if that makes more sense
10:47:20 <tmp_> Public certs and keys do not contain secrets.
10:49:50 <dch> thanks!
10:52:23 <tmp_> The nature of public certs and keys is that they're distributed to "the world." (Usually as needed, as all the ones in use would take up too much space for everyone and everything to have all of them.)
10:52:35 <tmp_> So, they're kind of anti-secrets.
12:09:34 <babz> see https://cvsweb.openbsd.org/src/usr.bin/ssh/PROTOCOL.certkeys?annotate=HEAD
12:09:35 <VimDiesel> Title: src/usr.bin/ssh/PROTOCOL.certkeys - annotate - HEAD
12:13:28 <voy4g3r2> oh boy.. the smartctl -t LONG /dev/da0 was STILL  at 10% complete after 6 hours..
12:13:58 <voy4g3r2> rwp: i would say that the run of smartctl was NOT successful as i manually aborted it
12:14:28 <voy4g3r2> trying a short test to see if result of noncompletion is the same
12:20:09 <babz> Have you checked the smarts attributes yet?
12:21:13 <babz> smartctl -A
12:22:34 <voy4g3r2> babz: yup
12:23:24 <voy4g3r2> the short online test completed without issue
12:25:48 <voy4g3r2> now we wait for the 2 external hard drive enclosures and see if this is also the case for the other two.. cursing my power backup procedures.. back-up to onedrive, synology but never backup teh backup.. all backups are failures until you can restore !
12:26:35 <babz> I'd say that if you haven't yet seen the error counters explode, it's already a good sign.
12:29:36 <voy4g3r2> thats great to know, i am still in the "kick myself in the butt phase" of this whole situation.. but we are getting there.. even went down an openzfs rabbithole.. i really like the compressed feature, had no clue that even existed
12:45:13 <zyxer> Ok so, time to try and game dev on FreeBSD
12:45:17 <zyxer> Godot
12:45:24 <zyxer> it was in repo
13:16:18 <babz> So you haven't been waiting for Godot?
15:02:36 <zyxer> No? Wat?
15:02:50 <zyxer> it's already in repo what should I wait for?
15:11:21 * thedaemon shrugs
15:34:37 <grinton> zyxer: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waiting_for_Godot
15:34:38 <VimDiesel> Title: Waiting for Godot - Wikipedia
16:06:12 <SoniEx2> we wanna promote removing the ipv4 stack again
16:07:42 <Demosthenex> do what?
16:09:54 <SoniEx2> the ipv4 stack, the part of the kernel that does ipv4 packet processing between userspace applications and the underlying network transport (usually ethernet or wifi)
16:23:59 <SoniEx2> we do not need the ipv4 stack. we have a perfectly good ipv6 stack. we should use it.
16:24:49 <CmdLnKid> wuuuut
16:30:04 <zyxer> I don't have IPv6
16:30:19 <zyxer> I want IPv6, but I am not getting it from ISP
16:31:17 <plasma> SoniEx2: kame to my mind ;)
16:31:19 <zyxer> In the best world we never standardised IPv4 to begin with, it would have died just as fast as 3G, e.g. not even properly supported before dropped for new version
16:33:44 <CmdLnKid> if a communication stack has been used for x number of years ... its going to take of x*2^2 to deconstruct it ....
16:34:51 <CmdLnKid> i still see v4 being used at least internally 50+ years away
16:35:30 <CmdLnKid> unless something changes in the hardware that is ipvNEXT centric
16:37:30 <SoniEx2> CmdLnKid: or software
16:37:38 <CmdLnKid> yeah yeah
16:37:52 <SoniEx2> zyxer: you don't need real IPv6, you just need a NAT64 prefix
16:38:10 <SoniEx2> (or well, stateless packet translator)
16:38:47 <zyxer> You mean I can get IPv6 without ISP providing IPv6?
16:38:56 <zyxer> SoniEx2?
16:39:06 <CmdLnKid> and then what ... get a HE service... if ya ask me its plumbed stupid
16:39:07 <SoniEx2> no, you can get rid of the ipv4 stack without the isp providing ipv6
16:39:20 <CmdLnKid> for adoption only and should have ended long ago
16:39:38 <zyxer> SoniEx2: So how I get internet?
16:39:41 <CmdLnKid> soniex2, how so
16:39:59 <CmdLnKid> waiting for the transport howto
16:41:08 <SoniEx2> zyxer: ipv4 packet <-> stateless IP/ICMP translator <-> ipv6 packet <-> ipv6 stack <-> libc <-> legacy ipv4-only APIs
16:41:35 <CmdLnKid> there's a compatibility layer ?
16:41:35 <zyxer> oh
16:41:46 <zyxer> I get it
16:41:48 <SoniEx2> note how the stateless IP/ICMP translator (SIIT) is not an ipv4 stack, but merely a packet translator
16:43:10 <SoniEx2> and it could be implemented in userspace (ipv4d, using raw sockets and a virtual network interface with the well-known /96 assigned to it)
16:44:04 <CmdLnKid> show me a system where this exists ?
16:44:22 <SoniEx2> CmdLnKid: the idea is to make a system where this exists. this is a proposal.
16:45:24 <CmdLnKid> ah
17:05:23 <zyxer> oh
17:05:31 <zyxer> I thought that existed
17:08:16 <rwp> voy4g3r2, The SMART data on that disk did not look concerning to me.  It's a disk in the middle of its life.  The power cycle count and the load cycle count were both on the high side for the age but it is not clear those are strong indicators not really.  It has had a history of SMART selftests all without any error.  All seems okay.
17:09:23 <SoniEx2> zyxer: SIIT exists actually
17:09:56 <SoniEx2> basically all of the parts exist, but nobody's put them like this yet
17:10:39 <SoniEx2> well, libc would need changes
17:11:09 <SoniEx2> usually SIIT is implemented by calling out to the ipv4 stack, which we're trying to remove here
17:11:17 <meena> SoniEx2: normally i would be extremely on board with such a bold proposal, but i now live in a country where there's no infrastructure outside the capital. that includes things like trains, and buses, and doctors and IPv6.
17:16:11 <SoniEx2> meena: but it doesn't require upstream v6
17:22:46 <meena> well, downstream, we still don't fully support IPv6.
17:23:11 <meena> SoniEx2: until we get dhcpcd imported
18:48:44 <voy4g3r2> rwp: thanks! for the sanity check.. i should know a little more between 330-630 when the enclosures come for the other drive...
18:48:50 <mns> did 14.0 come out yet ?  I didn't see anything on the website.
18:49:10 <voy4g3r2> as for the power cycle, not 100% sure i have an answer.. but i did at one point.. have it goto sleep WAY too early and was doing testing.. but good to know
19:06:12 <termin> memset(*, *, *)
19:07:01 <termin> poor connection rob4226?
19:10:42 <cybercrypto> mns: not yet... probably is already around the corner (rc4 is running with no major issues)
19:20:25 <ZedHedTed> i seeded the 14.0 rc torrents (only for i386 and amd64) all weekend
19:25:36 <tmp_> At least some architectures have release images available. I've got one system running that, but am holding off on pkg upgrade as the UPS package isn't currently available for 14.
19:28:57 <jb1277976> I asked this on discord about an hour ago but no answer
19:29:02 <jb1277976> I bought this https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08XB66YYH?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details and this https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00NMXY2MO?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details Plugged everything into the right port and sound is working as far as the headphones but the microphone isn’t working. Any ideas ? I turned the volume up on the mic and
19:29:02 <jb1277976> everything. All this is via usb. Should be working right ?
19:29:04 <VimDiesel> Title: Amazon.com: SOLMIMI Headphone Mic Splitter, TRRS Headset Splitter with Separate Headphone and Mic Jack, 3.5mm Combo Audio Adapter for Dual-Plug Headset Compatible to Xbox One, Smartphone, PC, Ps4-10inch : Electronics
19:29:38 <jb1277976> oh if i switch the headset from mute to unmute adacity and a zoom test call can pick that up
19:30:12 <jb1277976> could it be the headset ?
19:34:38 <babz> Well can you record audio ?
19:42:24 <mns> cybercrypto: thanks.  I'd seen some talk of it being released last week, since release builds had started.
20:13:53 <jb1277976> babz the microphone didn't with at all
20:14:02 <jb1277976> Work*
20:14:11 <babz> did you try to record sound with anyhing else than this hadset ?
20:14:17 <babz> head
20:14:48 <jb1277976> Nope. I did a zoom test call and mictest.com
20:15:18 <jb1277976> Nothing picked up the microphone. Also audacity
20:15:31 <babz> Well, if you have the same problem with two different drivers
20:15:54 <babz> ... The problem could be this headset
20:16:10 <babz> Or your configuration ^^
20:16:18 <jb1277976> Yep I'm going on Amazon right now
20:16:21 <voy4g3r2> do you have a gaming console?
20:16:33 <voy4g3r2> maybe can plug it into a gaming console such as  xbox or ps
20:16:42 <voy4g3r2> if it is NOT working there.. will DEFINITELy isolate
20:18:19 <babz> Or a smartphone, or most PCs, or...
20:19:35 <jb1277976> My son plugs the header to his PS4 controller and talks all the time. But it could be that the controller is has a microphone
20:19:54 <jb1277976> Headset*
20:22:23 <cybercrypto> jb1277976: first thing first. PS4 controller does not have a built in mic.  If he can hear and talk = this means the 'plugable' headset is working properly (mic and speakers)
20:26:19 <jb1277976> Hmm
20:27:33 <jb1277976> It's my setup
20:28:32 <cybercrypto> jb1277976: ps4-controller=only has speakers built-in                  ps5-controler=built in mic and spearkers.             I suspect it is your setup.
20:29:23 <jb1277976> Dan so buying a new headset and mic won't do anything?
20:29:45 <jb1277976> Dam*
20:32:04 <jb1277976> Probably something with device.hints will work unless it doesn't work on USB devices
20:38:34 <rwp> voy4g3r2, Here is on of my older drives for your comparison. 108,935 hours and still going strong! That's 11+ years. https://bsd.to/qu6v/raw
20:38:35 <VimDiesel> Title: qu6v
20:48:37 <voy4g3r2> ohhh
20:48:45 <voy4g3r2> nice! and i am "stealing" bsd.to also
20:48:55 <voy4g3r2> holy moly has pastebin become an ad nightmare
21:01:02 <rwp> I always run uBlock Origin as a security measure.  But look at the channel topic.  That's the channel recommended pastebin. :-)
21:19:31 <kenrap> Happy 14.0-RELEASE everybody! 🎊
21:21:03 <entikan> yay
21:21:20 <isley> yay
21:22:11 <voy4g3r2> now the waiting of press release...
21:22:17 <isley> i updated last week
21:24:13 <cybercrypto> release announcement is published main site, i see 8-)
21:24:49 <voy4g3r2> oh wow, that was a few seconds delay
21:24:53 <voy4g3r2> i just checked a few seconds ago..
21:29:48 <cybercrypto> thats great release, Congratz! Amazing job for everyone who has contributed.
21:33:45 <pstef> I contributed a new bug
21:36:00 <rwp> Congratulations everyone!
21:43:52 <cybercrypto> pstef: the best thing about freebsd is even the unstable versions (including nightly snapshots) are way more stable than most so called "stable" OS'ses around 8-)
21:45:16 <voy4g3r2> time to download the RPI image.. and give this bad boy a try
21:45:33 <voy4g3r2> will be done in 45 seconds :)
21:46:04 <pstef> well, the thing I referred to has little to do with stability and more to do with interface (I fixed mount not to lie about one case, but now it can lie about another case I didn't foresee). And now that's released, can only be fixed in the next release
21:46:29 <kenrap> voy4g3r2: 👍
21:48:42 <jb1277976> This is my first time being on a os that had a major release. to much distro hopping in the past. i'm here to stay
21:51:06 <voy4g3r2> and it is writing to flash storage :)
21:51:17 <kenrap> Oh, neat, I found a repo with a more updated rpi gpio implementation in python: https://github.com/ethanlmiller/python-GPIOfbsd, gonna do what voy4g3r2 is doing and try this out.
21:52:59 <cybercrypto> pstef: I see. sry to hear that.
21:53:43 <jb1277976> No updates needed to update system to 14.0-RELEASE-p0.
21:53:43 <jb1277976> WARNING: FreeBSD 14.0-RELEASE is approaching its End-of-Life date.
21:53:45 <jb1277976> lol
22:02:19 <voy4g3r2> danger zone righ there.. flash card, stick in raspberry pi, try to login ssh for first time.. no monitor/keyboard in sight
22:10:36 <voy4g3r2> kenrap: do you notice that your "lights" go off on raspberry pi when it gets to freebsd
22:10:42 <voy4g3r2> mine always were on in linux land
22:11:56 <voy4g3r2> FreeBSD generic 14.0-RELEASE FreeBSD 14.0-RELEASE #0 releng/14.0-n265380-f9716eee8ab4: Fri Nov 10 08:59:18 UTC 2023     root⊙rnfo:/usr/obj/usr/src/arm64.aarch64/sys/GENERIC arm64
22:12:00 <voy4g3r2> woohoo
22:23:30 <kenrap> voy4g3r2: I was able to reproduce that. That red led would turn off mid way into booting the system.
22:24:08 <voy4g3r2> yeah same here
22:28:34 <kenrap> It might be worth making a bug report. I could make one later but I need to get some rest for now.
22:31:47 <kenrap> And I would to see if I can play with neopixel LEDs  with that repo's gpio wrapper in FreeBSD
22:32:11 <kenrap> That would be badass
22:36:57 <mariuss> Oh joy: editing the diffs between 13.2-RELEASE and 14.0-RELEASE invokes vi. I've hated vi since 1995...
22:38:51 <mariuss> At least, it seems I only have to delete some lines.
22:42:41 <pstef> I guess it is possible to choose a different editor
22:43:59 <mariuss> How do you do that? Set VISUAL for root?
22:45:04 <pstef> not sure what is the parent process, is it etcupdate?
22:46:10 <mns> VISUAL or EDITOR
22:46:12 <pstef> whatever it is, I'm almost sure setting EDITOR should work
22:47:08 <pstef> and not for root, just for the shell that will run the update
22:49:44 <scoobybejesus> i'm doing a zfs send into a zfs recv on the same system (actually syncoid). mirror disk with one nvme and one ssd. just doing this w/ a recvoption of -o recordsize=1M because it's all for music files, so i would rather them be in a dataset with this property. I need to limit the bandwidth to 5M/sec because the SSD is getting overwhelmed.
22:50:35 <scoobybejesus> gstat shows the SSD choking after even 10 min limited to 10M/sec. the cpu's are sitting around doing nothing, but the system is practically halted if it needs to write to disk. had to control+c a few times to get to a comfortable bandwidth
22:51:27 <scoobybejesus> interesting exercise.  i look forward to zfs destroying the original dataset once this completes and i confirm everything is good to go
23:08:28 * meena just rebooted her server into 14.0
23:11:37 <scoobybejesus> still.. half hour, and i had to abort the process.  i think the SSD has some smart cache that is getting overwhelmed, or heat, or who knows.  it's relatively inexpensive SSD though.  tempting to replace.  wish money grew on trees
23:12:27 <scoobybejesus> the disk remains +/- 100% busy minutes after aborting the send/recv
23:16:08 <voy4g3r2> rwp: you were wondering yesterdy about "weird" things the hard drive was showing.. https://raid.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Timeout_Mismatch explains a lot.. i have a "red" drive.. western digital looks to have gone to "shit"
23:16:10 <VimDiesel> Title: Timeout Mismatch - Linux Raid Wiki
23:22:49 <babz> Well, adding an FTL to spinning rust doesn't sounds like the greatest idea...
23:24:59 <wildeboskat> 14.0-RELEASE is still being built??
23:25:17 <wildeboskat> Ah wait no it was released yesterday super
23:25:33 <wildeboskat> 6 day building time is a lot, wow
23:27:07 <flatdog> I wouldn't do the leap to 14 before patchlevel 1
23:30:07 <flatdog> YMMV
23:35:13 <meena> flatdog: I've been on 14 since it branched in some capacity
23:35:45 <meena> (and I'm now on 15 on my dev vms)
23:39:04 <babz> She was on 14 before it was cool
23:41:15 <flatdog> Fair enough. My nick says "flatdog", not "guinea pig"
23:41:25 <wildeboskat> I like guinea pigs
23:41:28 <wildeboskat> I'm also on latest
23:41:53 <flatdog> To each his/her own
23:41:58 <wildeboskat> I'll just zfs snapshot in case of issues
23:42:27 <flatdog> Time is irreversible, sometimes so is data
23:42:28 <wildeboskat> And there's bectl too of course
23:42:37 <wildeboskat> Oh all my data is backed up anyway
23:44:02 <flatdog> Well, you have a pretty much well designed policy
23:44:23 <wildeboskat> Borne from many mistakes
23:44:45 <flatdog> Sounds familiar
23:44:49 <wildeboskat> Like that time I  had my DOS drive mounted on Linux somewhere in the late 90s and I did rm -rf /<space>something
23:44:54 <wildeboskat> And the space was nonintentional
23:45:03 <flatdog> :)
23:45:10 <armin> i just learned, you can now buy freebsd: https://aws.amazon.com/marketplace/pp/prodview-4csbncujmsgbk
23:45:15 <VimDiesel> Title: AWS Marketplace: FreeBSD 14 (ZFS)
23:45:18 <wildeboskat> It took me a few seconds before thinking "umm why does it take so long for a few files"
23:45:25 <armin> .oOo0(excuse me, uhm, ...!?)
23:45:35 <armin> crazy new world...
23:45:36 <wildeboskat> And then I spent 2 days with norton undelete guessing the first characters
23:46:31 <wildeboskat> Well in the breakdown it says the software is $0
23:46:50 <wildeboskat> Not a fan of AWS tho
23:47:01 <wildeboskat> But to each their own like flatdog says
23:47:02 <armin> me neither :)
23:48:53 <flatdog> wildeboskat: boer?
23:49:11 * wildeboskat burps
23:49:19 <wildeboskat> You asked for it
23:49:40 <flatdog> and got it :)
23:49:48 <flatdog> cheers
23:54:50 <bendodroid> When doing a freebsd-update fetch on the freshly upgraded FreeBSD 14.0-RELEASE machine I get: WARNING: FreeBSD 14.0-RELEASE is approaching its End-of-Life date.
23:54:56 <bendodroid> This doesn't seem right :D
23:56:30 <flatdog> bendodroid: perhaps you missed a reboot and another freebsd-update?
23:57:04 <bendodroid> I did a freebsd-update install right before that and it said: No updates are available to install.
23:57:54 <bendodroid> So I don't think I missed one. I strictly followed section 26.2.3 in the Handbook
23:58:18 <bendodroid> (and the following applicable parts about reinstalling packages etc.
23:58:35 <meena> Guinea pig is my (unpaid) job.
23:58:36 <wildeboskat> Don't you have to do -r 14.0-RELESE ?
23:58:43 <wildeboskat> Ideally with the A
23:59:32 <bendodroid> wildeboskat: I already am on 14.0-RELEASE, that's why I'm confused