00:31:02 <polyex> there a style guide on how to assign options, -s (hort) and --long, conventions, what's usually used for what?
00:31:30 <polyex> wanna make a cli util that feels like it fits in with freebsd
00:45:38 <rtprio> not that i'm aware
00:50:25 <BillyJoeBob> So why hasn't 14.0-RELEASE not been anounced yet?
00:54:01 <mjp> https://i.imgflip.com/866tvb.jpg
00:57:05 <polyex> so cli options are all just random and that's ok?
00:58:26 <souji> BillyJoeBob: It will be anounced in a day or so, iirc there was an email on the mailing list that they had to fix some issues.
01:01:50 <rtprio> polyex: usually they follow the first letter of the signifnant action
01:07:10 <BillyJoeBob> Gotcha
01:55:17 <nomia> is there a more active freebsd # on another network?
02:12:51 <rwp> nomia, This is the main #freebsd channel and is often very busy.  It's just quiet now because people were already really excited here yesterday and now they are resting.
02:13:53 <rwp> If you have questions about FreeBSD just ask them and if someone knows something then they will say something.  That's a good way to make activity in the channel.
02:21:48 <A1ice> hi, I have a arm64 FreeBSD device, I'm interest FreeBSD can disable DMA on PCIE? thanks
05:52:42 <nomia> rwp: ok
05:53:28 <nomia> i saw mostly account spam when i looked at channel history
06:15:54 <rwp> Account spam?  You mean people joining and departing?  That's pretty normal activity for all of the channels.  People come and go all of the time.
06:36:19 <hyperedge> where is the source code of the freebsd package manager found?
06:36:37 <darwin> have a good day
06:42:23 <sphex> hyperedge: https://github.com/freebsd/pkg
06:42:24 <VimDiesel> Title: GitHub - freebsd/pkg: Package management tool for FreeBSD. Help at #pkg on Libera Chat or pkg⊙Fo
06:48:18 <hyperedge> Oh, it was not pinned and I was checking inside the tree of src. Ty sphex
06:49:00 <hyperedge> Will I be kicked if I am idle, I see "disconnected" each day. I am using a bouncer and I am supposed to stay online 24/7
06:49:38 <Melon> you are allowed to idle in this channel
06:50:03 <CueXXIII> hyperedge: it might be your isp disconnecting you every 24h
06:50:28 <hyperedge> I really doubt that. I idle in #gentoo for weeks with no problems
06:50:33 <Melon> * hyperedge has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
06:50:48 <hyperedge> oh, ok, will check my bouncer Melon
06:51:16 <hyperedge> is there an offtopic channel for freebsd?
06:51:52 <Melon> #freesbd-social
06:52:01 <Melon> freebsd-social
06:52:16 <Melon> my typing is no good. broken right middle finger, sorry
06:52:40 <hyperedge> :thumbsup
07:48:01 <uskerine_> mns yet from the handbook it seems that you download an uncompress an image for thin jails, it is like you do not really use the base system
08:02:29 <polyex> 14
08:18:34 <polyex> difference between hostname and domain?
08:33:24 <CueXXIII> polyex: www.freebsd.org <- "www" is the hostname, "freebsd.org" is the domain
08:33:53 <polyex> ok so what's www.freebsd.org then? because fqdn is www.freebsd.org.
08:34:19 <hyperedge> Host = computer, hostname = computer name. Example: billy. Whereas domain = some unique identifier which points to an ip address
08:34:51 <hyperedge> the confusion comes because hostname can be used to identify a computer on a network and a domain name can also be used to identify a computer on a network
08:35:02 <CueXXIII> the fqdn ist host + domain
08:35:25 <polyex> fqdn requires trailing .
08:36:33 <polyex> do you call www.freebsd.org a hostname or a domain?
08:36:48 <CueXXIII> sometimes on the www the hostname is left out, so you can reach websites without the hostname of the http server (ie. specify freebsd.org directly)
08:38:08 <CueXXIII> (ok, these days sometimes > 99%)
08:39:24 <hyperedge> freebsd.org is a domain and it can have multiple servers (ip addresses) doing different things. like, www.freebsd.org serving websites, mx.freebsd.org sending emails, ftp.freebsd.org hosting an ftp server, etc.
08:39:57 <hyperedge> nowadays freebsd.org is understood to host the website and www is kind of obsolete
10:18:28 <ueberall> How do I find out which upstream version of BoringSSL the port https://www.freshports.org/security/boringssl/ contains? If I specify the environment variables BORING_BSSL_PATH, BORING_BSSL_INCLUDE_PATH mentioned in https://docs.rs/boring/latest/boring/, Cargo seems to pick up the files from the port below the specified 'sysroot' -- so far so good --, but it displays a version "boring-sys v2.1.0", and if you look at the displayed URL (https://github.com/
10:18:30 <VimDiesel> Title: FreshPorts -- security/boringssl: Fork of OpenSSL
10:18:30 <ueberall> signalapp/boring?branch=libsignal#3809a7e1), you'll see a version 4.0.0[-rc*]. Unfortunately, the interfaces don't match.
10:36:27 <ueberall> (Native builds -- without cross-compiling, that is -- also show "Compiling boring-sys v2.1.0 (https://github.com/signalapp/boring?branch=libsignal#3809a7e1)", but this works flawlessly.)
10:36:29 <VimDiesel> Title: GitHub - signalapp/boring: BoringSSL bindings for the Rust programming language.
14:04:19 <antranigv> I'm getting an interesting error with bhyve
14:04:20 <antranigv> # vm poweroff -f comp0
14:04:20 <antranigv> errno = 37
14:04:24 <antranigv> any thoughts ?
14:20:56 <scoobybejesus> uskerine_: you can see in the link I pasted yesterday that the base/template jail is used for the part of the file system that is shared and immutable. That jail uses the same file you could use to create a new full FreeBSD host, so no you're not sharing files with the host. Look at the fstab
14:24:39 <uskerine_> scoobybejesus thanks
14:25:01 <uskerine_> I am still trying to get my first thinjail up and running
14:30:45 <babz> antranigv: i think that means your vm is already off
14:31:23 <antranigv> babz thanks! I will try to kill it somehow
14:32:25 <babz> kill what ?
15:00:25 <uskerine_> https://bpa.st/BGLQ  <- shall the (thin)jail contain all filesystem folders under 13.2-RELEASE-skeleton? I am almost 100% sure that I have followed the handbook step by step (twice)
15:00:26 <VimDiesel> Title: View paste BGLQ
15:06:53 <antranigv> babz not sure :(
15:10:53 <babz> lol
15:24:42 <uskerine_> I am glad that somebody has God attributes and does not file (like the Pop in the Middle Ages)
15:24:47 <uskerine_> fail*
15:24:55 <uskerine_> Pope*
15:25:43 <CmdLnKid> uhm why would root not have access to kmem and mem in /dev ? first time ive noticed this during a install mtree operions
15:25:58 <CmdLnKid> mtree: dev/mem: Permission denied
15:25:59 <CmdLnKid> mtree: dev/kmem: Permission denied
15:26:18 <CmdLnKid> ls from root on those provides the same thing
15:27:06 <scoobybejesus> uskerine_: i guess that write-up is partly stale.  damn it.  i am looking for something for you.  i have an idea.
15:27:39 <uskerine_> scoobybejesus I am using UFS, it seems that most of the material uses ZFS
15:37:37 <scoobybejesus> where is your base jail?  you had to download base.txz and extract it somewhere.  can you ls -l that directory?
15:48:24 <scoobybejesus> i haven't done manual jails in a while.  i should get familiar again
15:49:08 <angry_vincent> dch wrote really nice guide on it
15:49:36 <angry_vincent> i also prefer just plain manual jails with no managers for them
15:51:56 <Hello71> CmdLnKid: securelevel
15:52:01 <Hello71> don't checksum /dev
16:40:49 <uskerine_> scoobybejesus: if I understood the question correctly, my base jail is /usr/local/jail
16:40:54 <uskerine_> https://bpa.st/YEGA
16:40:55 <VimDiesel> Title: View paste YEGA
16:44:21 <uskerine_> scoobybejesus: with ls -l    https://bpa.st/D5VQ
16:44:22 <VimDiesel> Title: View paste D5VQ
17:00:08 <scoobybejesus> uskerine_: you can see there is a dev folder in the skeleton. that folder also needs a soft-link.  the error above says it didn't find dev
17:19:18 <rwp> I'll note that the built sudo-1.9.15p2 package became available yesterday and it has the tty fix in it.  It's good to go.
17:33:21 <scoobybejesus> or you need to copy the dev folder into the skeleton, if that's how you did it
18:26:37 <uskerine_> scoobybejesus: should not that be done by mount.devfs parameter in the jail.conf?
18:27:32 <scoobybejesus> the error message: jail: notebook: mount.devfs: /usr/local/jails/containers/notebook/dev: No such file or directory
18:28:31 <scoobybejesus> in  /usr/local/jails/containers/notebook, you have the skeleton.  and the skeleton doesn't have the dev folder in it
18:29:17 <scoobybejesus> getting this right the first time is tricky. softlinks using relative paths can definitely confuse someone
18:29:36 <uskerine_> Actually in /usr/local/jails/containers/notebook I just have 13.2-RELEASE-skeleton, and inside there I have dev etc home root tmp usr var, this is the structure you end up by following the handbook step by step
18:29:40 <scoobybejesus> i would start over, really.  it doesn't take long to redo
18:29:58 <uskerine_> I can do that, not a problem,but I think the handbook is not accurate
18:30:09 <CmdLnKid> learn how to recover from that
18:30:16 <scoobybejesus> in this paste, the dev folder is missing https://bpa.st/BGLQ
18:30:16 <CmdLnKid> it will help you later
18:30:17 <VimDiesel> Title: View paste BGLQ
18:41:12 <uskerine_> well it could be that I followed the process in a wrong way three times. Obviously I am not getting what is wrong:
18:41:15 <uskerine_> https://bpa.st/CGPA
18:41:16 <VimDiesel> Title: View paste CGPA
18:43:02 <uskerine_> https://bpa.st/4UBQ containers/ does not contain dev, actually all folders are under 13.2-RELEASE-skeleton
18:43:03 <VimDiesel> Title: View paste 4UBQ
18:44:03 <CmdLnKid> well yeah.. you have to mount devfs for it
18:45:03 <scoobybejesus> i'm guessing you are missing something in the 46-50 range for dev, as well as the 53-58 range
18:45:28 <scoobybejesus> i.e., the handbook may need to be updated to include this dir
18:46:34 <scoobybejesus> and by missing that step (missing from the handbook), the following steps need to be performed fresh
18:46:42 <CmdLnKid> just following the handbook seems weird here
18:47:13 <scoobybejesus> i.e., rm -r /usr/local/jails/containers/notebook, and then start again at line 60
18:48:10 <scoobybejesus> i guess that just means redoing 60-61, not the entire remainder... i think
19:13:50 <jcarl43> How do I figure what is the problem when getting "BTX halted"?
19:22:17 <rtprio> jcarl43: that sounds like the bootloader, is there any more context?
19:24:34 <jcarl43> rtprio: I update from 13.2-p4 to 13.2-p5 and after that the reboot hangs.
19:25:15 <jcarl43> With 13.2-p4 everything was working fine
19:33:22 <rtprio> just "btx halted", nothing else?
19:33:50 <rtprio> do you multiboot this system?
19:34:07 <jcarl43> no multiboot
19:39:22 <rtprio> are you able to boot again into 13.2-p4
19:44:29 <jcarl43> Not sure, it's a Hetzner server and have a KVM
19:45:57 <debdrup> src/stand/i386/btx is where the BTX loader lives, but since it's basically all hand-optimized assembly, it's a bit above my pay-grade.
19:46:54 <debdrup> BTX server? Nomenclature differs.
19:47:26 <rtprio> do you see the boot menu?
19:48:58 <jcarl43> rtprio: Figured it out and back at the old kernel
19:50:16 <jcarl43> system started with old kernel and have ssh access
19:50:42 <jcarl43> How do I force the bootloader to load the old kernel by default?
19:56:48 <rtprio> search "btx halted" in the forums, there looked like a way to repair it
19:57:05 <rtprio> or... mv /kernel /kernel.bad; mv /kernel.old /kernel
20:01:20 <ghoti> Is there a gui sip client that works in freebsd? Something usable by someone without command-line savvy?
20:08:33 <uskerine_> CmdLnKid scoobybejesus any tip or suggestion?
20:23:04 <scoobybejesus> uskerine_ new 51  mv /usr/local/jails/templates/13.2-RELEASE-base/dev /usr/local/jails/templates/13.2-RELEASE-skeleton/dev and new 59 ln -s skeleton/dev dev
20:23:15 <jcarl43> Where can I find the changes that were introduce between 13.2-p4 to 13.2-p5?
20:26:01 <uskerine_> Starting jails: cannot start jail  "notebook":jail: notebook: mount.devfs: /usr/local/jails/containers/notebook/dev: No such file or directory
20:26:49 <uskerine_> is it that etc, home, root, usr, tmp, var, dev shall be in /usr/local/jails/containers/notebook/ instead of /usr/local/jails/containers/notebook/13.2-RELEASE-skeleton/ ?
20:28:41 <ghoti> uskerine_: these are thin jails you're starting?
20:28:57 <uskerine_> Yes I am trying to create my first thin jail named notebook
20:29:08 <uskerine_> I am repeating the process from scratch again adding your two lines for dev
20:29:33 <ghoti> Heh. For ease of management, all my jails live in a zfs filesystem mounted on /j.
20:30:22 <ghoti> If you have a root that you mount via nullfs, it may be missing. Mounts in the wrong order might generate that error.
20:33:36 <uskerine_> I tried again to be sure that there were no typos, same error: jail: notebook: mount.devfs: /usr/local/jails/containers/notebook/dev: No such file or directory
20:34:02 <uskerine_>  # ls -ltr /usr/local/jails/containers/notebook/       drwxr-xr-x  9 root  wheel  512 Nov 16 15:32 13.2-RELEASE-skeleton
20:34:21 <uskerine_> shall the contents of 13.2-RELEASE-skeleton be actually under /usr/local/jails/containers/notebook ?
20:35:01 <uskerine_> # ls /usr/local/jails/containers/notebook/13.2-RELEASE-skeleton/       --->   dev     etc     home    root    tmp     usr     var
20:58:06 <rtprio> i thought the jail setup system mounted /dev/ for you
21:08:54 <uskerine_> I am trying to locate more resources on thin jails but thick jails seem to be preferred
21:09:15 <uskerine_> I find appealing the idea of sharing the base system  for my particular case
21:09:26 <ghoti> I only use thin jails.
21:09:40 <ghoti> But I have my own toolset for building them..
21:10:32 <ghoti> Upgrades are often a bit of a hassle with thin jails, but they are also often easier to secure.
21:13:52 <uskerine_> But you use ZFS right?
21:14:28 <uskerine_> my server uses UFS, I think there is some step overlooked in the Handbook, likely something easy to fix if you know what you are doing but pretty blocking if you are not knowledgeable
21:50:28 <_xor> Heh, nice...
21:50:29 <_xor> https://github.com/microsoft/inshellisense
21:50:30 <VimDiesel> Title: GitHub - microsoft/inshellisense: IDE style command line auto complete
21:59:06 <pinPoint> I'm running freebsd in hyper-V on Gen2 option. My mouse and keyboard are not getting captured/transfered to the VM XFCE desktop. How do I correct this?
22:02:05 <nomia> can i install freebsd 14 like this? https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/freebsd-bananapi-m3-support.58728/
22:02:06 <VimDiesel> Title: Freebsd BananaPi M3 support | The FreeBSD Forums
22:02:52 <nomia> idk how to build a image on linux
22:31:22 <nomia> xzcat FreeBSD-14.0-RELEASE-arm-armv7-GENERICSD.img.xz > /dev/mmcblk0
22:31:29 <nomia> this doesn't work
22:50:54 <rwp> nomia, Try reading the data written back and verifying the hash signature.  But I presume the problem is that the result does not boot?
22:52:14 <rwp> I have never booted an ARM that way so I don't know anything about the arm boot side of things but I write SD cards quite often.
22:53:58 <rwp> For that matter if there is trouble then it is good to verify the original file hash signature too.
23:00:31 <ghoti> uskerine_: yes, I use ZFS. When making a new jail, I mount my mroot to the jail location (`mount -tnullfs -oro /j/mroot-13.2-R /j/foo`), which has symlinks like "/usr/local -> /s/usr-local" and "/var -> /s/var", then mount the jail's skeleton onto /s in the jail (`mount -t nullfs /j/s/foo /j/foo/s`).
23:01:44 <ghoti> You could do this in UFS I guess, but the jail creation process would be more complicated. Right now it's a ZFS send/receive to make /s.
23:06:03 <stellarskylark> Heya folks, I'm trying to get Logseq running on my system by extracting the appimage. (Building it didn't work). I set chrome-sandbox permissions like it said to, but now it apparently can't find the libffmpeg that came with the appimage, despite `ldd` confirming that it knows where it is. Any ideas?
23:11:32 <ghoti> uskerine_: The mounts are done by an fstab that is part of my jail creation process. http://sprunge.us/VwrG9b  Pretty basic, `mount.fstab="/etc/fstab.$name";` in /etc/jail.conf. If a jail needs more filesystems, I just add them here and let mount take care of things.
23:20:09 <stellarskylark> My problem could also be to do with "Failed to read /proc/sys/fs/inotify/max_user_watches"
23:20:21 <stellarskylark> which I assume is a linux compat thing
23:27:21 <stellarskylark> oh wait there's a port for it in 14!