00:10:37 guys i can't boot into my system. it boots up and when it goes to start xfce its just a blank screen with a cursor at the top left 00:10:59 i took everything tha i put in loader.conf and rc.conf and still nothing. im at the console and i did startx and now no screens 00:11:54 what exactly do you see 00:12:57 im looking at Xorg.log and it says open /dev/dri/card0 no such file or directory falling back to old probe method for modsetting VGA arbiter: cannot open kernel arbiter no multi-card-support 00:13:03 i was installing webcamd 00:13:11 thats the last thing 00:14:05 but X was working before? 00:14:17 yes after a reboot it stopped working like 5 mins ago 00:14:45 and you start x with 'startx' ? 00:15:12 nope i have a login manager 00:15:21 lightdm or ssdm i forgot 00:15:41 its a black screen when it boots but i can move the mouse 00:15:42 wierd 00:15:55 i can go to a tty 00:17:28 i find it doubtful that webcamd broke your whole works 00:18:24 yea 00:18:35 do you think its a serivice that started ? 00:19:35 freebsd doesn't start services for installed software automatically 00:21:20 did you build video card drivers? 00:25:39 nope i did pkg install drmk something i forgot 00:30:02 let me print out my xorg log https://termbin.com/9cal 00:31:33 i think its here https://dpaste.org/4OGG5 00:31:34 Title: dpaste/4OGG5 (Python) 00:35:54 jb1277976: I haven't dealth with X11 setup in over a decade, and that too, it was on Debian. With that caveat out of the way, I think its one of your X11 setup files in /etc/X11. I don't have it installed otherwise I'd take a look to see which one it might be. 00:36:22 ok 00:44:48 also, wayland is the new thing 00:45:07 seems to work better than X and is a bit easier 00:45:32 does it actually tho or is that hype? 00:46:51 https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=255040 < -- its an issue still reasearching 00:46:53 Title: 255040 – Xorg sever terminates with error on 13.0-RELEASE 00:48:27 I found wayland to work really well on FreeBSD, as did X 00:55:17 Guys i'm back in 00:55:31 wb 00:56:44 this is probably bad but i put in my rc.con kldlist="drm i915kms" rebooted and it worked 00:56:52 rc.conf* 01:05:05 I've never used wayland in my life. 01:08:39 jb1277976: there you go. we don't all know what you did. so in a matter of speaking, only use can fix it 01:27:28 question i'm trying to get my microphone i gave up on the internal one a long time ago. me and koobs tried for like a day. i have a usb mic and in audactiy it records on /dev/dsp3 how can i play a sample file on /dev/dsp3 from the terminal to test ? 01:29:04 hey howdy 01:29:46 I have a stupid question. Trying to install node_exporter. I get 01:29:48 ``` 01:29:52 /usr/local/etc/rc.d/node_exporter start 01:29:52 Starting node_exporter. 01:29:52 nobody is not allowed to log in on /dev/pts/0 01:29:58 ``` 01:30:18 I think there is a login.conf setting somewhere for this but I dunno. 01:30:57 This works on most of our boxes. 04:55:10 anyone else got a regression in past few months or so on 13.2 amd nvme zfs? back to 12.x kinda behavior with random pauses in i/o 06:54:08 jb1277976: 06:54:54 jb1277976: use `mpg123 -d /dev/dsp1.0 some.mp3` from ports 06:55:58 Will do even I get home. I been doing research and should try a veggie boot then look at device.hints 07:26:51 feurig: stuff in /etc isn't meant to run directly, to start services use the service command 08:31:48 I did `webcamd -d ugen2.3` to make wacom tablet/pen working. it worked but now I see /usr/local/libexec/Xorg :0 -auth /home/user1/.serverauth.2199 taking 200% of cpu. What should I do? 08:34:28 Beladona, Is there a correlation between Wacom hardware being usable & Xorg taking 200% CPU? 08:37:51 .oO( Wonder if the difference is of polling being used instead of some interrupt-driven use ) 08:39:15 or some irq storm maybe ? 08:41:05 The IRQ storm should be easy to confirm by looking in "dmesg(8)" and/or in /var/log somewhere 08:42:33 hm, https://wiki.freebsd.org/WacomTablet seems a bit outdated as it references HAL, but are you in the webcamd group? is libwacom installed? 08:42:34 Title: WacomTablet - FreeBSD Wiki 09:31:49 is there a way to associate MCA errors with physical dimms ? For example, I have this error in the logs: Oct 27 17:41:19 zfs2 kernel: MCA: Address 0x1dcaebb000 (Mode: Physical Address, LSB: 6) 09:32:38 but in the dmidecode output I have no such address range, they are all like: Starting Address: 0x00000000000 Ending Address: 0x007FFFFFFFF 09:50:16 last1, There is "mcelog-178" (never used it myself) 09:57:13 yeah, I did run it but it provides little help unfortunately 09:57:43 people, amiite? 09:57:48 amirite* 11:26:30 FreeBSD defbix 15.0-CURRENT FreeBSD 15.0-CURRENT main-n266290-500196c5c705 GENERIC-MMCCAM amd64 11:26:48 wheehow. we're back in business with my favourite kernel. 11:27:21 that reminds me, I need to polish a few patches… 11:27:29 LxGHTNxNG: people. indeed, 13:06:26 nimaje: libwacom is installed 13:07:00 nimaje: not sure if I am in the webcamd group but I do that (webcamd command) via root. and use wacom tablet as another user. 13:12:12 i'm installing openjdk 21 and it says I need to mount fdescfs and procfs. I already have mounted the linux compat layer fdecfs, and plan to also use the linux compat procfs, will that be a problem? 13:12:47 ah I misread, figured it out 13:25:36 (the linux compat stuff is mounted to `/compat/ubuntu/`, so it won't collide with the procfs and fdescfs mounted at /) 14:05:32 morning all 14:26:45 heya folks! I just upgraded a machine from 13.2 to 14.0-RC4, and I'd like to move my home from zroot/usr/home to zroot/home; What's a safe and sensible way of doing that? 14:37:08 Beladona: use groups as your user to figure out in which groups it is, for xorg you want to be in video and for webcamd in webcamd that command should just setup the hardware and I think it shouldn't matter which user runs it as long as that user has the permissions to run it 14:41:11 send | receive? 14:43:47 zfs rename? 14:51:18 nimaje: I don't think that works across datasets 14:51:28 Yeah zfs rename is probably what you want ... send | recv will be a lot of wasted IO 14:51:53 meena: wrong 14:52:02 dtomato: it's literally 22 megs lol 14:52:52 haha... ok, well, wasted typing ... and only a little bit of IO :D 14:52:59 meena: I've not had to do such a thing before but came across this: https://serverfault.com/questions/440632/zfs-rename-move-root-filesystem-into-child 14:53:00 Title: zfs rename/move root filesystem into child - Server Fault 14:53:40 now i just have to fix this mount point: zroot/home 17.3M 10.9G 17.3M /zroot/home 14:56:54 well, that was easy. My poudriere build box is now on 14.0-RC4! 14:58:29 how did you fix the zroot/home ? 14:58:37 but why move it at all? /usr/home works perfectly fine; and did you change the home dir for the users? 14:59:29 mns: zfs set mountpoint=/home zroot/home 15:00:52 nimaje: my users are created with /home/$name, but /home was just a symlink, so when you login, it annoyingly showed the "wrong" directory in full path, instead of … nothing, as it does for users who are in the correct path. It's really just a tiny bit of annoyance, that's all 15:01:49 also I think on some sells it can break your PS1 15:05:59 I would probably have fixed the user record to have the correct path instead of changing the path itself 15:07:30 nimaje: I'm just going with the times… 15:07:44 FreeBSD beasdix 14.0-RC4 FreeBSD 14.0-RC4 releng/14.0-n265375-0d4c814512b GENERIC-MMCCAM amd64 15:08:44 After a ZFS installation on the entire disk. Without any extra disks is there any way to install linux alongside it? 15:11:31 nimaje: so what exactly do I need to do now? 15:13:02 Beladona: so your user is part of these two groups? then sorry no idea 15:14:49 hackerman: hm, so you would need a setup where freebsd and linux share the same zpool, as you can't shrink a zpool 15:15:22 nimaje, yes that's what I figured 15:24:22 if you are feeling adventurous you could try if you can get loader_lua to boot linux and create some dataset on the zpool for linux to use and then some loader and zfs juggling to only mount the linux datasets when booting linux and the freebsd dataset when booting freebsd, but no idea if it is possible to boot linux via loader 15:35:33 ghostscript9 15:35:41 eek, sorry y'all. 15:39:01 meena: thanks. 15:39:03 worth noting that loader.efi at least can chainload other EFI applications 15:39:38 it would be incredibly easy to add your own option to the boot menu via local.lua that boots into another OS 15:39:56 (or rather, more likely, another OS' loader) 16:08:38 nimaje: how can I check? 16:13:04 Beladona: id(1) 16:13:54 babz: nimaje: `id` says uid=1001(user1) gid=1001(user1) groups=1001(user1),0(wheel),5(operator),44(video),145(webcamd),920(vboxusers) 16:16:44 meena, yes. . FreeBSD defautls to /home being a symlink to /usr/home. . . but if you're actually building a multi-user system, then I very strongly recommend a dedicated /home volume. 16:17:02 CrtxReavr: starting 14.0 we've migrated to /home 16:17:22 CrtxReavr: now, in 15.0 we might see a merging of /usr/bin and /bin :D 16:17:39 That's prolly unwise. 16:18:24 One of things I've long considered a strong point of FreeBSD is that the project actually follows hier(7). 16:18:58 Almost every linux distro ignores, it, and if you point out the fact enough times, their solutin is just to delete hier(7). 16:18:59 CrtxReavr: every Unix derivate follows their interpretation of hier 16:19:10 False. 16:19:50 and what, exactly, hier is has changed over the past 40+ years. 16:20:00 like, remember when we had binaries in /etc? 16:20:19 Binaries? 16:20:25 No. 16:20:31 Executable scripts, yes. 16:21:32 'Course, Solaris and HP-UX have been really good at ignoring their hier(7) page as well. 16:21:51 I wasn't gonna get out the big guns myself. Glad you got there first. 16:22:42 I mean, yeah, we won't delete hier(7)... we'll just update it to match our new reality 16:26:20 just symlink everything to /system32 frr 16:31:20 we keep moving binaries between /usr/*bin and /*bin as we need them for some part of the boot process, but as the baseline for the machine required (available) to run FreeBSD grows, it's much easier to stop doing that, and just stuff everything into /bin 16:34:26 we could then even go as far as deciding that everything the base system installs is in /*bin and /lib*, and ports are then free to use /usr/*bin and /usr/lib* 16:35:41 heresy, i know, but at least it's shorter paths. 16:43:56 reminds me of this great Suckless(TM) project 16:43:56 https://sta.li/filesystem/ 16:43:57 Title: Filesystem | static linux 17:36:25 Hey all, I have a work repo server running on FreeBSD that serves several mirrored repos for our internal network hosts that are blocked from the internet. Today I am tasked with adding a RHEL mirror to this. The "solutions" I am finding on The Internet all presume the host is a Hed Rat host and use tools that are only on Hed Rat. Is anyone here able to point me to a resource on how to mirror RHEL package repos on FreeBSD? 17:38:43 Is there any way to turn a uefi ZFS install to also boot legacy after installation? 17:41:07 babz: i wish that site would suck less https://im.eena.me/uploads/fcb66587fb7336b5/Screenshot_2023-11-07-16-54-12-19_ffb2f5e1b976ff98cfc94f359fbce8de.jpg 17:44:02 they would probably have told you that it's your browser that sucks, because it works perfectly with w3m in termux. 17:59:32 guys is device.hints complicated and is there a tut on it ? 18:00:58 im trying to get my microphone working. been all over the forums and google. lots of people have had luck with a verbose boot looking at device.hints changing it and it working. here is my sndstat https://termbin.com/vx4c 18:06:47 al virtual_oss 18:06:56 s/al/also/ 18:32:44 unixman_home: https://pagure.io/quick-fedora-mirror claims it can do it with zsh, rsync, awk and "the usual core utilities" (and we have dnf in ports, so maybe you could port this "createrepo_c" and do it like https://trivialfis.github.io/linux/2017/02/11/Create-a-local-mirror-with-dnf.html) 18:32:45 Title: Overview - quick-fedora-mirror - Pagure.io 18:39:27 nimaje, thanks! I will look that over. Much appreciated. 19:24:50 im excited a friend we lent a laptop to about a year ago. left to los angelas and gave us the laptop back its a Notebook 7 spin 15.6 gonna put freebsd on it when i get the charger tomorrow from amazon. anyone know what specs are on this thing and if it will work with freebsd ? https://www.samsung.com/us/computing/windows-laptops/notebook-series-7/notebook-7-spin-15-6---12gb-ram--np740u5m-x01us/#specs 19:32:22 unixman_home: you could try running the repo thing in a jail with linux emmulation. you could run bhyve and emmulate a linux machine. 19:32:59 unixman_home: you could also set up a linux box and figure out the file structure and rsync them from ... somewhere 19:33:55 jb1277976: looks like you already know the specs. I would be hugely surprised if you had problems running freebsd on this, though you might have trouble with less standard bits like sound, or lid-closure. 19:35:00 " 19:36:16 "360 degree rotating display" sounds intriguing, and non-standard. :) Is display position somehow reported to the OS through a Wndows driver? No idea. 19:40:38 ghoti: what do you mean by less standard bits like sound? will sound work ? 19:40:52 also im googleing the nvida driver to see if i can get it working 19:48:44 im going to https://bsd-hardware.info/ and uploading my specs to see what works tomorrow 19:48:45 Title: BSD Hardware Database 19:54:17 rtprio, thank you for the suggestions. Of those the jail idea is intriguing. The other two will not be feasible in this situation. 20:21:17 jb1277976: I have not heard of SoundAlive, and the specs for that laptop don't seem to include chipset names for things like USB. After you do some testing, please do contribute your results so others may benefit from them. 20:22:14 Ok I just got a charger from the local store going into bios right now and turning off secure boot 20:23:08 I don't imagine you'll have any trouble with an nvidia 940mx. 20:23:47 friends don't let friends use nvidia. 20:24:04 I think there is Intel on here 20:24:17 intel good. not fast, but good. 20:28:56 Still, even with some NOvideo graphics card you should have no problems, yea, but AMD is the safe bet currently (I think!?). 20:30:28 AMD has been much better since they bought ATI. Before then, I had trust issues with their hardware. 20:31:00 Booted to live cd and ran pciconf -lv looks like a Intel hd graphics 620 a Nvidia GeForce 940mx wireless 8260 a sunrise point-lp smbus 20:31:14 I'll do the bsd hardware stuff after the install 20:32:38 All listed in the specs you posted the URL for earlier. Curious about sound though. 20:41:02 Me too 21:49:27 here you go https://bsd-hardware.info/?probe=1a996f2f48 21:49:29 Title: HW probe of Samsung 740U5M #1a996f2f48 21:49:40 sound worked just by loading the snd driver :P right out the box 21:51:43 using modsetting for the interl grpahics not using the nvidia 22:42:01 Does anyone use RawTherapee on FreeBSD? I'm having an issue where it crashes when trying to edit NEF files. Crashes in GIMP too with the RawTherapee plugin. 22:56:57 why doesn't sudo echo $SUDO_USER return anything? 23:02:28 because you're trying to echo the $SUDO_USER variable in the shell that is invoking sudo, not the shell invoked by sudo 23:09:10 This microphone works right out of the box :P 23:09:23 zwr oh ya. how do i do that then? 23:10:25 sudo sh -c 'echo $SUDO_USER' 23:11:18 works!! 23:27:36 this laptop needs serious love. it went from 65 to 58 in like 10 mins 23:32:01 65 wot 23:35:24 that for me ? 23:35:35 oh yea crazy huh 23:37:01 trying stuff here https://wiki.freebsd.org/TuningPowerConsumption 23:37:02 Title: TuningPowerConsumption - FreeBSD Wiki 23:42:13 im at 47 23:45:15 units would be helpful 23:53:05 i will do research on that 23:55:25 what research do you need to write the units your numbers have? I would assume % battery from the context, but that is just a guess