00:22:23 hello 01:33:46 so bascially zfs only shines with 4 drives at least? 01:35:53 hello everyone, freebsd beginner here, i was wondering if i can mix ports and binary packages 01:36:05 or if i should stick just to one of those two options 01:36:46 In theory you can mix them. However, it is not recommended. 01:37:52 I did mix them in the past without any issues, but you can run into some problems with eg. version mismatches 01:43:55 souji: and how do you solve such mismatches? 01:44:13 but maybe there is way to keep a separate environment for example just for binary precompiled? 01:56:37 skeemer: I think you would have to checkout your ports tree on the same commit as the ports tree used to build the packages. 01:57:45 you might be able to keep separate enviroments using jails, but this depends on what you ar planing to do... 02:18:29 souji: yeah sure even with jails seems cool 02:18:46 like on netbsd with pkgsrc you can bootstrap different environments where you keep your stuff 02:18:53 is there something similar infreebsd? 02:31:06 Not tham I'm aware of 02:34:00 As long as you dont need X11 or some special hardware jails might be the best choice 02:34:33 is QuBSD (FreeBSD-based) good? 05:09:32 experienced an issue where a UFS filesystem did not free up space, until i unmounted a nullfs mount coming from a directory on the filesystem. wondering if anyone else has run into this, a difference of about 30% of the total filesystem capacity 05:10:12 all the operations (writing, and then deleting, to free up space) were taking place inside the nullfs mountpoint 05:16:27 i thought it had to do with heavy load, but then it still did not free up the space after the load stopped 05:16:51 afk for a bit 08:59:07 I have to pivot away from freebsd. Too much issues for a desktop user. Any suggestions on what would be the second best OS for server + desktop usage? Though I know its not good to mix both.? 09:01:33 Avoid Arch, NixOS then. Try Alma Linux or Debian perhaps 09:02:15 Wait ... MacOs or Windows even 09:06:16 ok 09:06:27 Also, not sure if btrfs would be less evil than ext4. I do not want to diskcheck on power outages. ext4 was a pain in this regard for me. 09:06:44 parv: will go with debian I think 09:06:47 Doubt {Open,Net}BSD would fare any better than FreeBSD 09:07:08 parv: open/net would be same for desktop users. even worse i think 09:07:29 Can't say; haven't tried 09:07:38 ok 09:08:40 "ZFS on Linux" may (not) be available 09:09:41 it is.. 09:09:42 These days it seems like NetBSD tends towards being an IDE for developing the NetBSD Packages collection. 09:10:02 tmp_: I see 09:11:07 well, without knowing what your issues where it is hard to make suggestions 09:11:47 When dealing with Linux, I've had a better experience with xfs than ext4. Haven't tried btrfs. 09:14:56 I am on freebsd and a disk with zfs FS that is encrypted with geli. I want to move to linux and in linux, there is no geli. Can I decrypt the geli disk and use that in linux? 09:15:00 rephrase: 09:15:08 I've been using FreeBSD for server & desktop use. I tackle it from the server end and get a good enough desktop as a side effect. 09:15:21 I am on freebsd and a disk that is encrypted with geli. That disk has zfs FS. I want to move to linux and in linux, there is no geli. Can I decrypt the geli disk and use that in linux? 09:16:02 tmp_: I have wacom pen issues, brave browser, netflix, \ 09:16:16 if you want to use ZoL then make sure the OS you choose treats it as first class citizen 09:16:26 freebsd is just not made for desktop users. debian is ok for server and deskop 09:16:38 nimaje: zol? 09:16:46 (some effort of making GELI available on Linux has popped up recently) 09:16:59 parv: any package? 09:17:10 nimaje: what do you mean by zol ? 09:17:13 ZFS on Linux 09:17:18 Beladona, That is still in development 09:17:30 nimaje: debian is on the list. 09:17:43 parv: ok so what options do I have? 09:17:52 rsync 09:17:53 nimaje: not sure how debian will treat zfs 09:18:08 parv: for rsync, I have to have another disk and copy data there 09:18:31 zfs send zfs recv 09:18:39 same for that AlexC 09:18:45 cool 09:18:48 do not have another disk 09:19:02 yep 09:19:10 you need one 09:19:15 can I just decrypt geli disk? 09:19:20 on linux? no 09:19:24 on freebsd? 09:19:36 that's a good question, I never tried it 09:19:45 does geli provides that option ? 09:21:21 that's possible: https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/trying-to-mount-geli-zfs.74914/ 09:21:22 Title: Solved - Trying to mount Geli ZFS | The FreeBSD Forums 09:22:15 armin: I am talking about decrypting geli disk permanently. 09:22:56 Beladona: That's possible, too, as long as you're not over-simplifying the fact that it's a multi-step process. :) 09:23:11 ok, englighten me 09:23:28 Well you can't do that on the fly, I believe? 09:23:31 armin: how do I decrypt the disk permenently? 09:23:55 Beladona: again, there's no "one step solution". 09:24:05 armin: plan: Decrypt geli disk. The plug that to linux. Simply use zfs FS as the disk had zfs files in it. 09:24:15 Shrink the geli partition? To leave space for an unencrypted zpool? 09:24:16 armin: are are the steps of this multi step soltuionL 09:24:48 Beladona: well you can *unlock* the volume, that way you can *access* the data, copy it somewhere else, and so on. 09:25:15 armin: that is not "decrypting" the disk permanently. Its an indirect hack. 09:25:26 armin: but ok. I got the idea if that is the oNLY option I have 09:25:38 Beladona: I doubt it's possible "in-place" if that's what you're after. 09:25:49 ok 09:25:50 hm, zfs seems to be in contrib for debian, could be ok 09:26:18 I wish freebsd was a better desktop os and more community . I would not need another OS for lifetime 09:26:21 geli has functions for resize, but I've only seen it used for grow, not shrink. If shrink is an option, then shrink to half the disk, create an unencrypted partition with a second zpool.... 09:26:31 tmp_: ok 09:26:57 Beladona: It's pretty much perfect as a desktop, even if you need Wayland and all the whistles, though. 09:27:18 Depends on having at least half the existing zpool empty. 09:27:27 s/empty/free/ 09:27:34 Does bsdinstaller not use whole-disk any more & installs in a partition? 09:27:56 tmp_: or having another zpool, or being able to send the data somewhere else temporarily, or whatever, but yes. 09:28:31 hm, but zfs currently lacks the ability to shrink pools? or did that change? 09:28:49 armin: I can't use netflix, wacom pen / tablet makes x11 mad, cannot trace the reason, stuck with luajit obs, neovim, postgresql compatibility issues. Have mic/ sound issues. freebsd is rigit on that. I am sure I will have more driver/ hardware issues in futrue 09:28:50 tmp_: I thought you couldnt reduce the size of a zfs partition. 09:29:10 Ot 09:29:22 tmp_: at least without moving everything off and redoing it from scratch 09:29:23 That's not something I've dug into. I dunno. 09:29:43 armin: less options of apps, dev tools. e.g can't run puppeteer in node.js. no nvm (node verison manager). less dev tools support for freebsd 09:29:57 armin: much lesser community support 09:30:03 Just the only thought I've had given the constraint of a single disk. 09:30:07 armin: all these things drift one away from freebsd 09:30:17 armin: what's your take on that/ 09:30:21 Beladona: don't drift towards openbsd then. ;-) 09:30:55 Beladona: I mean yea of course not everything "just works" in the BSD world, and the question is if you can live with the restrictions. 09:30:56 armin: I am not drifting towards openbsd. I am drifting towards debain 09:31:20 Beladona: Well I won't keep you from doing so. :) 09:31:31 armin: cannot breath freely with those restricitons. though freebsd as the core is my favourite os 09:31:37 Beladona: I wouldn't say less. Different in some cases. If you're just looking for a raw platform to use for a desktop, then the only real selling point is the educational value. Staying on FreeBSD forces you to learn how to think and problemsolve. 09:31:52 Beladona: Because on FreeBSD you can solve *any* problem. 09:32:13 Beladona: Learning the skills to do so in a reasonable amount of time is the hard part. 09:32:14 setesh: yes but it is requiring a lot of my time for tweaking 09:32:32 setesh: tweaking things for which freebsd is not built or is lacking in its core 09:32:33 That's something that improves over time. 09:32:53 I personally feel like the levels of indirection when solving problems are much lower on *BSD compared to Linux. 09:32:55 setesh: ok how to use netflix on freebsd in the journeyu of solving any problem? 09:33:12 I never used NetFlix, so I can't say. 09:33:21 Using netflix on freebsd only delays solving problems. <.< 09:33:27 setesh: or allow nvm (node version manager) or pupeteer to work in freebsd 09:33:28 setesh: correct. 09:33:28 using netflix period 09:33:30 lol 09:34:01 I know it has something to do with proprietary video streaming and DRM, but that's it. 09:34:08 the platform may not support your specific tooling 09:34:19 it supports the tooling needed to make it support your tooling tho 09:34:26 if you want an end user OS... you're in the wrong place 09:34:38 setesh: just an exmaple when all /most linux world supports the tooling and freebsd does not. Things go suffocating 09:34:45 FreeBSD has no intention of enabling you to do stupid things. You can watch a movie with "mpv", though. :) 09:34:46 None of the BSDs are intended to be Windows 09:34:56 or give you the Mac experience 09:35:07 setesh: seems like debian solves the issue of "end user OS" + "server os" 09:35:20 If you want it to support your specific tooling... make it support your tooling? 09:35:28 Beladona: netflix is probably because of drm stuff and might be solvable with www/linux-widevine-cdm and www/foreign-cdm 09:35:32 Use Debian then? We won't keep you from doing so. 09:35:39 armin: its not just movies. Its wacom pen, nodejs, pupeteer, nvm, a whole slue of tools thigns 09:35:42 or find a friend in the project who is willing to port and maintain what you want 09:35:58 Beladona: Again, nobody forces you to use either of both, use what works for you. 09:36:08 Yes, because people have different tools to accomplish their goals and use those instead, so that's what they port and support 09:36:15 if you want your tooling, port your tooling 09:36:16 nimaje: that "might be" is a time consuming less % solvable in my opinion 09:36:37 Eh, you get faster as you get better. 09:36:41 Much faster. 09:36:46 setesh: port? 09:37:09 https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/porters-handbook/ 09:37:10 Title: FreeBSD Porter's Handbook | FreeBSD Documentation Portal 09:37:40 setesh: true. side note; for another topic: the fastest human on earth is bottlenecked by "one person" and 24 hours a day. 09:38:03 Freebsd is a group effort. It isn't a company that exists to supply convenience. It's just people like you, making the stuff they use themselves, work on it. 09:38:10 setesh: at that point, he needs more and more leverage in form of team, systems, etc 09:38:24 setesh: I see 09:38:52 Automation helps. Over time you build up more comfort with tooling, and a large supply of code to do most tasks faster and easier. 09:39:25 setesh: whats your take on having freebsd inside virtualbox as guest and having debian as host? 09:39:59 That paired with ever growing ability to track down information resources and navigate/parse those into an organized final document to learn or use as a guide to hacking out prototypes, makes a huge difference. 09:40:08 armin: tmp_: might also comment ^ 09:40:23 Eh, I don't mind it? Wrong way around for my personal preferences tho :p 09:40:26 but tooling is tooling 09:40:33 ok 09:40:42 do what youre comfortable with and fits your use case 09:41:06 setesh: freebsd as guest, debian as host of virtualbox? 09:42:10 Beladona, Why would you want to use FreeBSD on Debian? 09:42:14 I've mostly run into the Devuan distro for the last while. I'm not up to date on other Linux distros. Devuan is okay. 09:42:21 If you have good reasons for why, then it's a good idea. If you don't then its no different than if you were running freebsd as the host and running debian in a bhyve. If your use case makes it actually counterproductive, then don't. 09:42:30 hm, why not freebsd as host and debian in bhyve? 09:42:34 Just reason from first principles 09:42:55 Nobody else has the recipe for your favorite flavor of soup 09:42:57 (or just in a chroot via linux emu) 09:42:57 only you do 09:43:02 I don't have any experience with Linux as a virtualbox host though. 09:43:07 parv: freebsd will have the server apps. debian will have the desktop apps 09:43:23 why not just throw your server apps in docker? 09:43:26 lower overhead 09:43:33 less effort than running an freebsd vm for it 09:44:34 freebsd is amazing for its license, the stability of its stack, the structure and coherence of its codebase that make it easy to riff off for your own purposes 09:44:38 debian has different perks to it 09:44:46 if what debian provides is what you need, use debian 09:45:55 At some point you'll realize that every operating system sucks anyways. 09:46:27 (honestly though, the reason I stick around freebsd is the community. They're all assholes. But brilliant, loveable assholes, that if you're willing to swallow your ego you can learn a ton from) 09:46:43 And maybe it takes a couple of days, or a couple of years, and then you'll come back to #freebsd and say hello. Done that, been there. Countless times. 09:47:00 armin: so infuriatingly true D: 09:58:16 Is anyone using FreeBSD on Thinkpad T14 with Intel 13th generation i5 or AMD Ryzen 5 Pro 7540 U or 7 Pro 7840U? How are battery life, & OS with Intel E, P cores? 09:58:17 I see 09:59:55 Do AMD Thinkpad versions have non-Intel ethernet NIC? 10:00:05 the OS core matters. So porting the toolset in docker won't be enough 10:05:44 I plan to use freebsd as guest in side debian host via virtualbox. Freebsd will have zfs. That is a COW FS. If host also has btrfs, (a COW). then there can be problems. I do not want ext4 as it is not good for power outage/ system crashes. 10:14:56 parv: the problem with the T14 laptops is probably wifi: https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/lenovo-thinkpad-t14-gen-2-amd-a-fine-laptop-for-freebsd-with-a-wifi-caveat.88856/ 10:14:57 Title: Lenovo ThinkPad T14 Gen 2 AMD - a fine laptop for FreeBSD (with a wifi caveat) | The FreeBSD Forums 10:16:50 Beladona: I assume podman uses that linux emu stuff so that linux docker images run correctly, but have not looked into it https://www.freshports.org/sysutils/podman/ 10:16:51 Title: FreshPorts -- sysutils/podman: Manage Pods, Containers and Container Images 10:18:31 armin, Thanks 10:19:30 nimaje: ok. but what Fs to use for debian 10:25:50 At least for Thinkpad T14 Gen 2, not 4 (have not checked), AMD, NIC is RealTek -- well, not need to look further for a wifi card (1 in [45] chance it would have been Intel AX200) 10:25:58 https://psref.lenovo.com/syspool/Sys/PDF/ThinkPad/ThinkPad_T14_Gen_2_AMD/ThinkPad_T14_Gen_2_AMD_Spec.pdf 10:26:42 * kenrap thinks there needs to be a labeling distinction between what is a "desktop OS" like Windows and macOS vs a "desktop-able OS" like FreeBSD and Linux. 10:27:08 Well, that makes choice easier to not remove AMD Thinkpad from consideration 10:27:33 s/to not/, will/ 11:04:17 nimaje: the main purpose of the podman port is to run OCI containers, and the main focus of the work is on FreeBSD jails, i reckon Linux still just works, unless you're trying to run some funky APIs that we don't support yet 11:04:25 I wonder why people are so obsessed with being able to fully replace an operating system with another one. 11:05:11 armin: mostly because of the software they want to run 11:06:02 meena: I currently struggle *HARD* time with being able to get my custom DWM build to compile on FreeBSD myself, but hey, if it doesn't work, it likely needs just a bit of work. 11:06:12 * meena mostly runs a terminal, an editor and a browser… most of which are available in pretty much any os 11:07:41 meena: Yea I mean I had that problem myself and just decided to try SpectrWM instead, runs just fine, I'm of course missing my custom DWM, but meh, will probably simply take me anouther couple of days to find out how to get that to work, all good. 11:08:47 meena: Then on Linux I run Mixxx for DJing and Renoise for music making, no idea if I will ever get even one out of these two to work on FreeBSD, at all. 11:20:41 armin: https://www.freshports.org/audio/mixxx/ maybe 11:20:42 Title: FreshPorts -- audio/mixxx: DJ mixing application 11:37:14 meena: yup I could probably get that to work. :) 11:47:48 oh wow! I managed to get my custom DWM to compile. 11:47:53 neato. 11:48:19 ok now that's cool! 11:50:09 armin: congrats 12:59:50 Beladona: OpenBSD works better as a desktop OS than FreeBSD does, which is ironic, because FreeBSD is the one boasting "you can run FreeBSD on a desktop", whereas OpenBSD is completely silent about that. If it needs to be Linux, then Artix works fine, or either Gentoo or Crux if more flexibility is required, or Devuan if more of that so-called "stability" is desired (but you will have to deal with 12:59:51 a very dogmatic design in return). 13:00:20 Or Alpine if you want something more aligned with OpenBSD, but with a Linux kernel. 13:05:03 * meena runs an Ubuntu derivate on her laptop… 13:05:31 maybe i should try the recent 14.0 release? 13:06:36 I hope that FreeBSD 14.0 will support more Realtek chipsets, though. 13:09:04 Currently, pfSense 2.7 doesn't seem to be able to make use of the Realtek card. 13:09:36 * remiliascarlet waits for her Intel chipset to arrive. 13:11:17 remiliascarlet: ok. wha tis your take on debian? openbsd will still have driver, netflix, wacom pen, other issues. 13:15:07 Beladona: The good: all the server side tutorials you can find online are specific to Debian. The bad: software in the default repositories are ancient, they meddle with packages, different structure from what Linux was designed to be, pushes systemd really hard, hostile community (which is what you naturally get if you have a huge userbase filled with newbies). 13:15:55 Driver support is in the kernel, so it's not distro specific. Same with Wacom pen, although drivers can be written separately, but should work on any distro. 13:16:10 As for Netflix, I don't have Netflix, so no comment. 13:17:11 rtorrent is the best streaming service. 13:17:25 testing out FreeBSD14 in the example make.conf just znver3 seams supported but FBSD14 has llvm16 (znver4 supported) and ports are compiled with znver4, documentation bug? 13:18:33 * CrtxReavr looks at the scroll and all the nonsense coming out of remiliascarlet. 13:18:44 You a troll or an idiot? 13:19:58 CrtxReavr: That's a clever way of saying "I disagree with you". 13:20:06 remiliascarlet: ok. I think ubuntu and debian would be same in terms of usability. I have ubuntu experience of years but pivoting myself away from ubuntu due to snaps and debian being more stable 13:21:10 If Snaps are a concern, and you want to use something similar to Ubuntu, then Debian might be the better option. 13:21:31 Otherwise Devuan, which is Debian without systemd. 13:21:54 remiliascarlet: I want to have zfs on debian. and maybe have freebsd as guest os via kvm in debian. 13:22:45 I don't have experience with that one, I just have a FreeBSD server in my room. 13:26:04 ok 13:32:46 hm, maybe installing libwacom helps for the wacom pen, but no idea 14:17:59 I'm a bit surprised I don't find "signal-desktop" in pkg. 14:18:11 Am I overlooking something obvious? 14:24:40 ? https://www.freshports.org/net-im/signal-desktop/ 14:24:42 Title: FreshPorts -- net-im/signal-desktop: Cross-platform centralized encrypted messaging service 14:25:28 pkg on latest or quarterly? 14:27:48 it is only in ports 14:27:50 there doesn't seem to be a package for electron, probably to heavy for the builders to build or something like that 14:30:11 ok 14:30:12 oh, electron seems to be blacklisted on the builders https://pkg-status.freebsd.org/beefy16/build.html?mastername=132amd64-default&build=021f5c74a690 (search for electron in ignored) 14:30:13 :) 14:30:13 Title: Poudriere bulk results 14:30:14 thank you! 14:32:39 and https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=270565 14:32:41 Title: 270565 – electron* ports are blacklisted from the build 14:41:06 Hm. I'm legit unable to mount an SMB share. 14:45:50 Samba installed? 14:45:50 armin: What command are you using? 14:46:15 souji: mount_smbfs //192.168.1.40/white /mnt/white 14:46:45 souji: tried some kind of permutations, -I , -N, //user@/white and so on. 14:47:03 and what is the error, if there is any? 14:47:26 mount_smbfs: can't get server address: syserr = Operation timed out 14:47:43 this here works however: smbclient -I 192.168.1.40 -U armin //armin@nirvana/white 14:48:06 that opens a shell where i can just "ls" 14:48:26 I think mount_smbfs only supports SMBv1 14:48:35 is that maybe a solution? https://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/423145/correct-syntax-for-mounting-smbfs-in-freebsd 14:48:36 Title: samba - Correct syntax for mounting smbfs in FreeBSD? - Unix & Linux Stack Exchange 14:48:51 while smbclient also supports SMBv2/3 14:49:15 mount_smbfs doesn't work properly with smbv2 and beyond 14:49:32 look at the stackexchange link 14:50:32 hmm 14:50:44 so how do I get smbv2 in such case? 14:50:50 am i going down a bad rabbit hole, if i try to mirror freebsd 13.2 on my local network? i am now increasing my footprint of freebsd machines.. but reading mirroring documents it says they are not accepting mirrors.. 14:51:31 armin: use samba and smbclient 14:53:52 mount_smbfs -I 10.10.10.10 -U someuser -W someworkgroup //someuser⊙1111/somesharename /mnt/somemountname 14:54:48 voy4g3r2: you want to build a mirror of the package repos and release servers? probably that doc means your mirror wouldn't get included in the official list of mirrors and the geo-dns setup 14:54:56 armin@moog ~ = sudo mount_smbfs -I 192.168.1.40 -U armin -W WORKGROUP //armin⊙111/white /mnt/white 14:54:59 Password: 14:55:02 mount_smbfs: unable to open connection: syserr = Operation timed out 14:55:04 armin@moog ~ = 14:55:07 Nixkernal: ^ 14:55:55 armin: is it SMBv1? if not then mount_smbfs won't work (cc Nixkernal) 14:55:56 in smb.conf change client ntlmv2 auth = no AND ntlm auth = yes ? 14:57:07 nimaje: that is what i am reading but this section is saying.. don't do that, it is bad: https://docs.freebsd.org/en/articles/hubs/#mirror-pkgs 14:57:08 Title: Mirroring FreeBSD | FreeBSD Documentation Portal 14:57:45 i'll read a little more.. as i got the space localy but do not want to cause "problems" 14:58:02 armin try this: https://wiki.freebsd.org/MateuszPiotrowski/AccessingSmbSharesWithSambaClient 14:58:03 Title: MateuszPiotrowski/AccessingSmbSharesWithSambaClient - FreeBSD Wiki 15:00:34 voy4g3r2: ah, yes, put a caching proxy in between instead of mirroring, bandwidth is not just your problem 15:01:29 Nixkernal: smbclient does in fact work, i have zero clue how to get fstab mount to work, though 15:01:38 nimaje: yup, figuring centralization of basic things and the outliers reach out to the servers.. proxy service here i come. thank you for confirmation, as i thought i was "misreading" 15:03:20 maybe https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/nginx-as-caching-proxy-for-freebsd-update.41350/ can help you 15:03:21 Title: nginx as caching proxy for freebsd-update | The FreeBSD Forums 15:08:41 nimaje: oh sweet! thank you! 15:09:10 this is something i can dive into after my chores.. living in the woods sucks during the fall.. the leaves! 15:09:18 armin: you yould try it with fusefs-smbnetfs that uses samba https://pastebin.com/tHa01gYD 15:09:19 Title: $ mkdir $HOME/windows_share# pkg install fusefs-smbnetfs# cat /etc/fstab.. - Pastebin.com 16:42:33 In /etc/make.conf I have: lang_gcc13_LANGUAGES= c,c++,fortran,jit,m2,objc,obj-c++ Yet when I did the compile it seems to have just done the default set that is in /usr/ports/lang/gcc13/Makefile --> LANGUAGES:= c,c++,objc,fortran,jit because in the config.status --> --enable-languages=c,c++,fortran,jit,lto,objc Have I missed something ? 16:52:57 why would lang_gcc13_LANGUAGES override LANGUAGES? 16:59:34 some of the other variables I have in /etc/make.conf are irc_irssi_SET+= WITH_DEBUG so I just used '=' instead of '+=' to override it. Am I completely off the mark ? 17:03:17 that is _{,UN}SET to set options from make.conf, why would there be some generic mechanism to override arbitrary variables via make.conf? change the ports makefile for that if you really want to do that 17:35:52 Nixkernal: thx! 17:40:42 what good torrent client for freebsd? 17:47:48 qbittorrent has served me well but haven't tried others. 17:58:07 la_mettrie: transmission? 18:20:41 rtorrent? 18:24:39 Is there a way to primary use packages, but tag a handful of "packages" as port-only, for like things you need non-default built options for? 18:24:50 *primarily. 19:29:39 Beladona: ktorrent 20:12:55 CrtxReavr: I believe the "usual" way is to use "make package" 20:57:31 rtorrent is my favourite, but it can be a bit tricky to use 22:12:17 hello folks 22:15:18 hello 22:21:12 hows it going? 22:21:44 ld-elf.so.1: /usr/local/lib/libgtk-3.so.0: Undefined symbol "epoxy_glXQueryExtension" 22:21:48 how's it going for you? 22:38:21 rtprio, trying to relax and settle on a decent computing experience atm. And for some reason my connection sucks 22:41:58 out of my control I guess, i can't trouble shoot right now. So just trying to settle in and chat a bit. 22:46:20 learn about computers and whatnot, hopefully I'm in the right spot lol 23:48:58 dev.freshports.org has a new feature for searching by package name: it now searches the package flavors. re https://github.com/FreshPorts/freshports/issues/481 - please test and provide feedback. - thanks. 23:49:01 Title: freshports search for yields no results for some existing packages · Issue #481 · FreshPorts/freshports · GitHub 23:49:01 481 – this is a junk PR https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=481 23:49:56 ^ interesting how that showed up.