00:12:06 <poddo> I keep gettin shit like this trying to populate my src directory error: RPC failed; curl 18 transfer closed with outstanding read data remaining
00:31:49 <ttnk> hello, i dont know freebsd really, i installed it once but i really dont know anything but i need to "clearn" a 128G msata sdd for opnsense installation, it is already installed there but it says it has errors that i cannot fix and i would like to wipe the disk so i can install opnsense again in it
00:31:52 <poddo> meh, I just used the github mirror
00:32:44 <ttnk> how can i wipe all the information and partitions from the disk?
00:34:41 <poddo> like, securely or just at all
00:35:34 <ttnk> poddo: i just need it to be "clean" so opnsense could be installed again because when i try to install on it, it says that rootfs partition has problems and that i have to run fsck
00:37:17 <ttnk> i tried to delete all the partitions and regreate gpt with linux/gparted but it doesnt work, it says gpt have a problem and that there is still 7 blocks available, it gives the option to fix it but it does not fix anything and the ufs partitions are still there
00:38:33 <ttnk> poddo: how can i wipe the partitions?
00:38:39 <poddo> from freebsd?
00:39:15 <ttnk> i dont know if it has to be done with freebsd or is it possible to do it with linux
00:39:19 <poddo> I'd try fdisk personally
00:39:39 <ttnk> i only have opnsense usb installer to do it
00:39:39 <poddo> i mean, formatting a drive is formatting a drive, you could do it from windows for all the drive cares
00:40:27 <ttnk> i already tried fdisk, it seems that it is done correctly but if i run fdisk /dev/sda again it still shows the partitions
00:40:54 <poddo> certain os may have different partitioning schemes or file systems, but you just want to blank it, probably gpt which every os pretty much supports
00:41:08 <poddo> hmmm
00:41:19 <poddo> are you accepting your changes at the end of fdisk
00:41:33 <ttnk> i tried to create an empty gpt with fdisk and that didnt work
00:41:40 <ttnk> yes
00:41:54 <ttnk> at the end i write it to the disk, it shows no errors
00:42:03 <ttnk> but if i run fdisk again, it still shows the partitions
00:42:33 <babz> you have to quit with 'w'
00:42:37 <ttnk> thats why i came here, i dont know about freebsd or ufs
00:42:45 <poddo> yeah did you use w to write your changes
00:42:49 <ttnk> babz: yes i know, write it
00:42:53 <ttnk> sure
00:43:15 <ttnk> i dont know freebsd but i have used linux for 20 or so years, im not an expert but i know some things
00:43:23 <babz> Your disk is probably faulty
00:43:40 <poddo> try windows honestly
00:43:57 <poddo> you cant really mess it up and youll have a better guess at if your disk is faulty
00:44:43 <poddo> or any gui partitioner like gparted
00:44:51 <poddo> mac file formatter etc
00:46:32 <ttnk> poddo: i ran gparted too from a live rescue usb, and it just says that gpt is bad and there are 7 blocks availabe, if i want to fix it, i say yes delete partitions, recreate gpt, it keep on saying the 7 blocks available, no error on the deletion of partitions nor any other error
00:46:43 <ttnk> but the partitions are still there :|
00:47:31 <ttnk> i dont have windows, well i have it on a vm inside proxmox that i cant access because my fw/router is death ja
00:48:03 <ttnk> and i have a small mac but the thing is that it is a msata drive, i dont have an adapter to connect to the mac
00:49:17 <ttnk> i already bought another disc from amazon, it will be here in 2 days, but i would like to know if the disk is death, i ran smartctl but i dont know what to look for to see if it is death
00:55:30 <poddo> sounds fucked ngl
00:55:56 <poddo> good news is 128g is like 3$ nowadays
00:58:32 <ttnk> i think the quality of that disk is very shitty
00:59:14 <ttnk> i bought this small comp with 4 nics and i use it as firewall
01:05:42 <BillyJoeBob> I'm trying to follow this guid in order to attach USB drives to my VirtualBox VMs but I'm running into an error.
01:05:43 <BillyJoeBob> https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/virtualization/#virtualization-host-virtualbox
01:05:44 <VimDiesel`> Title: Chapter 24. Virtualization | FreeBSD Documentation Portal
01:06:06 <BillyJoeBob> When I try to restart devfs, I get these two following errors:
01:06:37 <BillyJoeBob> uh, hold on, it doesn't like the starting slash
01:06:55 <BillyJoeBob> "/etc/rc.d/devfs: WARNING: devfs_set_ruleset: you must specify a ruleset number"
01:06:56 <BillyJoeBob> and
01:07:05 <BillyJoeBob> "/etc/rc.d/devfs: WARNING: devfs_apply_ruleset: you must specify a ruleset"
01:07:27 <BillyJoeBob> usb devices, not just drives.
01:08:18 <rtprio> is there any more in the logs from devfs
01:09:06 <BillyJoeBob> Uh, logs in messages just say the same thing.
01:09:11 <BillyJoeBob> Let me see if there's anything else.
01:09:48 <BillyJoeBob> Nothing in dmesg
01:10:40 <BillyJoeBob> Yeah, only other stuff is in messages.
01:11:23 <BillyJoeBob> This is my devfs.conf file related to what I added:
01:11:24 <BillyJoeBob> # User added below:
01:11:24 <BillyJoeBob> own	vboxnetctl	root:vboxusers
01:11:24 <BillyJoeBob> perm	vboxnetctl	0660
01:11:24 <BillyJoeBob> [system=10]
01:11:24 <BillyJoeBob> add path 'usb/*' mode 0660 group operator
01:24:37 <poddo> is there an ELI5 for the files in /usr/src/sys/amd64/conf
01:24:53 <poddo> like, what the differences are, other than guessing by the names
01:25:06 <poddo> or is that just read it
01:27:02 <poddo> man config I guess
01:43:59 <BillyJoeBob> Haha, figured it out. I needed the [system=10]... stuff in /etc/devfs.rules
03:18:35 <cedb> id like to setup a linux thing but not debian/centos and saw theres dnf and pacman in the repos. what does a jailed linux distro require beyond that devs/procfs nonsense for me to chroot and just pacman -S base ?
03:19:40 <cedb> (rtfming to a link would be a very appropriate answer)
04:03:59 <aje> moo
04:04:29 <aje> I said moo
04:04:48 <mjp> dont have a cow man
05:02:06 <remiliascarlet> Cows are my breakfast.
05:15:32 <kenrap> aje: you sound bored, here: https://www.freshports.org/games/cowsay/
05:15:34 <VimDiesel`> Title: FreshPorts -- games/cowsay: Configurable talking characters in ASCII art
06:32:16 <kenrap> Is it possible to run a Linux jail in armv6 architecture?
12:08:11 <uwu_linux_openbs> hello
12:08:49 <uwu_linux_openbs> does "RTL8821CE 802.11ac" work on freebsd?
12:09:10 <uwu_linux_openbs> My main laptop has this wifi card and I want to use freebsd
12:12:47 <uwu_linux_openbs> I found a thread related to the wifi card
12:12:52 <ChealRipster> uwu_linux_openbs: <https://wiki.freebsd.org/WiFi/Rtw88>
12:12:53 <VimDiesel`> Title: WiFi/Rtw88 - FreeBSD Wiki
12:14:05 <babz> https://bsd-hardware.info/?view=search&name=RTL8821CE#list
12:14:06 <VimDiesel`> Title: Search results for 'RTL8821CE'
12:14:38 <uwu_linux_openbs> VimDiesel`: I did a ddg search but found that they were adding support for it
12:14:49 <uwu_linux_openbs> didn't sure if they have implimented or not
12:15:11 <uwu_linux_openbs> current state of the driver: Fails to load firmware (email: 21-09-08) -- likely fixed
12:15:15 <spine-o-saurus> anyone know how to get subwoofer working on the mainboard sub port?
12:26:13 <spine-o-saurus> im getting no soundcards found when i run aplay -l, but when i got to launch audio file i get speaker left/right only
13:12:02 <useless> can anyone help me not give up on freebsd? man...i dont know what to say other than it is sooo broken
13:12:46 <entikan> useless: what is your usecase?
13:12:51 <useless> ...wont load fusef module at boot no matter what. randomly pukes my sdcard filesystem and says its not configured
13:13:03 <uwu_linux_openbs> :(
13:13:03 <useless> i just want to mount an exfat filesystem and use it
13:13:17 <useless> *fusefs module
13:14:05 <useless> i can view the files just fine, then i start my daemon (minidlnad) and it dies...then when i try to read my files the device is "not configured"
13:15:44 <useless> so many conflicting tutorials about loading modules at boot.....but none of them owrk
13:17:54 <useless> also, mounting exfat from fstab does not work
13:20:32 <useless> my line: /dev/da0s1              /media/flash        exfat   late,mountprog=/usr/local/sbin/mount.exfat  0 0
13:21:39 <useless> ls: flash/: Device not configured
13:22:26 <useless> if i umount/mount it...its fine, but then it reverts to not configured
13:23:01 <useless> too early/late around here?
13:26:53 <babz> dmesg ?
13:31:58 <useless> fstab: /etc/fstab:4: Inappropriate file type or format
13:31:58 <useless> mount: /media/flash: unknown special file or file system
13:32:17 <useless> thats for the mount command...but theres nothing idicating the filesystem has puked
13:33:30 <useless> cannot read `01 - Save Us.mp3' (Input/output error)
13:33:39 <useless> the files get corrupted too
13:33:57 <useless> i've already removed/recrated/verified them...then it happened again
13:34:13 <useless> has anyone used exfat succesfully on bsd?
13:34:50 <useless> i'm either foced to use zfs on linux (sucks) or exfat on bsd (sucksssssss)
13:35:13 <useless> current zfs is not supported on 6.6.0
13:35:17 <useless> *currently
13:35:58 <useless> and exfat is far more portable....and as i understand it, a widely adopted open standard
13:36:05 <useless> but in bsdland....no can do
13:39:23 <useless>  broken cluster chain. truncate to 524288 bytes at 0x5bb9400080.
13:39:29 <useless> thats what bsd did to my files
13:40:02 <useless> . /dev/sdd1: files corrupted 1188, files fixed 0
13:40:14 <useless> sdd1: corrupted. directories 5930, files 64568
13:41:09 <useless> mind you, linux can still read them.
13:41:13 <useless> why does bsd exist?
13:41:41 <useless> not being facetious.....just wondering
13:41:56 <useless> it seems no one is keeping it up
13:43:29 <dkeav> and yet, here you are
13:44:07 <voy4g3r2> useless: is the question, why doesn't your fusefs module corrupting the filesystem or just vent how linux can work with it?
13:44:19 <dkeav> not that it isn't a valid question, similar to the validity of "why do strange edge cases exist"
13:45:00 <voy4g3r2> is the /media/flash a hard drive or a flashdrive? i am inferring by the name.. it is a flash media, likst a thumb drive.
13:45:34 <useless> i am frustrated, i apologize...been at it for days....i would love to fix this.
13:45:53 <useless> the flassh drive is an sd card in the sdcard slot of my firewall appliance
13:47:06 <voy4g3r2> is there an option, to copy off the data, too said linux box, then format it in something other than exfat?
13:47:13 <useless> no space
13:47:24 <voy4g3r2> okay
13:47:34 <useless> oh, yes i can use a different filesystem, sorry...just not on the firewall
13:47:44 <useless> i was previously using zfs
13:48:02 <voy4g3r2> i am not trying to NOT fix the issue.. just trying to minimize your data corruption, while we evaluate the exfat issues.
13:48:10 <useless> but i also keep my linux distro up to date, and right now that doesnt allow zfs
13:48:29 <voy4g3r2> that is a different issue, agree? the non-connecting zfs.
13:48:37 <useless> exfat should be widely supported i would think
13:48:48 <useless> i'd rather not use zfs on linux anymore
13:48:54 <voy4g3r2> i would agree also but we got the edge case dkeav referred to
13:49:30 <useless> i'll admit it..this is an edge case due to my installation of ports on opnsense
13:50:10 <dkeav> so you're not even asking for freebsd help so much as opnsense help?
13:50:17 <useless> its freebsd
13:50:34 <dkeav> it's freebsd "based"
13:50:39 <useless> FreeBSD gw.localdomain 13.2-RELEASE-p3 FreeBSD 13.2-RELEASE-p3 stable/23.7-n254818-f155405f505 SMP amd64
13:50:45 <voy4g3r2> we are in a gray area here
13:51:02 <voy4g3r2> that is like saying a bmw is a car so why isn't my toyota acting like my bmw because it is both based on a car
13:51:04 <useless> opnsense  is an application
13:51:17 <useless> i disagree
13:51:39 <voy4g3r2> but we got some more information, opensense was installed, you installed from /usr/ports and not a pkg
13:51:42 <voy4g3r2> right?
13:51:47 <useless> yes
13:51:53 <voy4g3r2> my tongue in cheek comment was not warranted, my bad
13:52:27 <voy4g3r2> i do not have experience with opensense but troubleshooting should follow a process, what compile options did you use for opensense?
13:52:39 <useless> do i need to install fusefs-ntfs?
13:52:57 <useless> opnsense handles the kernel, sorry
13:53:07 <useless> i installed fusefs-exfat
13:53:25 <voy4g3r2> can you moutn any other exfat related filesystems? or have any other ones available?
13:53:35 <useless> this one mounts fine. its the only one i have
13:53:49 <voy4g3r2> mounting works great, until you try to access something.
13:53:52 <useless> but then it corrupts itself, even when mounted ro
13:54:05 <useless> yes
13:54:16 <useless> well, i can access things initially
13:54:24 <useless> and file says they look good
13:54:49 <voy4g3r2> okay, thanks for the patience of explainging this. We have a opensense application, compiled by ports, that is trying to access a exfat filesystem, this filesystem can mount and upon trying to connect to this mount on a freebsd client it corrupts?
13:54:57 <voy4g3r2> is this a correct summary?
13:55:05 <useless> but then....i start my dlna daemon which tries to index the files and it only gets so far before the device becomes 'not configured'
13:55:18 <useless> voy4g3r2, sorry, no
13:55:30 <useless> only fusefs-exfat is compiled from ports
13:56:10 <useless> opnsense is not involved other than the fact that they configured/built the kernel
13:56:23 <voy4g3r2> okay, so opensense is not the root cause (that we know of) but the dlna (another application) that is accessing a partition from a ports install of exfat
13:56:36 <voy4g3r2> yes, that is what i am seeing myself.
13:56:36 <useless> this sounds accurate
13:56:54 <voy4g3r2> dlna is a pkg install or ports install?
13:56:59 <useless> pkg
13:58:45 <voy4g3r2> okay one last summary... (i have NO experience with dlna or opensense and may have to bow out) We have an opensense firewall that has a compact flash drive (formatted as exfat/ntfs) we are accessing this file system through a /usr/ports install of fusefs. We can mount the filesystem on the opensense applicance/application. When i try to introduce another application, dlna, the filesystem is "corrupted"
13:58:51 <voy4g3r2> (dlna is pkg isntalled)
13:59:29 <useless> yes...this even happens when the fs is mounted ro
14:00:21 <voy4g3r2> okay, how does the linux comment play into this scenario?
14:00:36 <voy4g3r2> jsut want to close that out, if possible.
14:00:48 <useless> i put the sdcard in my linux box to populate the files
14:01:01 <useless> i've also done this over the network with scp
14:01:13 <useless> to the same end....starts off looking fine. gets corrupted.
14:01:20 <voy4g3r2> could the media be bad?
14:01:26 <useless> brand new sandisk
14:01:44 <voy4g3r2> do we REALLY need to have exfat ? maybe ext4?
14:01:46 <voy4g3r2> or ufs?
14:01:49 <useless> not that it couldnt,b ut i doubt that
14:01:59 <useless> exfat is portable
14:02:18 <useless> lets me transport my music collection and use it elsewhere
14:02:40 <voy4g3r2> okay, we can tackle that later
14:02:47 <voy4g3r2> i think the first is to see if we can test that drive
14:02:59 <voy4g3r2> yes, this is frustrating, but we will get there
14:03:16 <useless> i'm willing to reformat it
14:03:49 <voy4g3r2> okay, doing a quick duckduckgo.com search , i search for badblocks.. it is a utility on linux that can check, media. https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Badblocks
14:03:50 <VimDiesel`> Title: badblocks - ArchWiki
14:04:06 <voy4g3r2> would you be able to give this a shot, i am not aware of a freebsd based one.. hld up
14:04:23 <voy4g3r2> https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/badblocks-check.41584/
14:04:24 <VimDiesel`> Title: badblocks check | The FreeBSD Forums
14:04:28 <useless> i try to keep my linux distro gentoo-only
14:04:29 <voy4g3r2> this looks (just scanned, did not test)
14:04:48 <voy4g3r2> you are a compiling rebel.. haven't used that distribution since university days in 2000s
14:05:00 <useless> omg man
14:05:05 <useless> it is the best thing since linux
14:05:28 <voy4g3r2> we can go down that rabbit hole at another time, could you try that freebsd post instruction?
14:05:36 <useless> one hyphenated word: dependency-resolution
14:05:44 <useless> no one can touch gentoo on that one
14:05:56 <useless> i will try it. one sec.
14:06:00 <voy4g3r2> thanks!
14:06:25 <voy4g3r2> i like getting worked done, not compiling all day, so i buy macs :)
14:06:54 <useless> thats never an issue. my machine is 10 years old and compiles in a snap!
14:07:19 <useless> linux kernel takes about a minute. maybe 2
14:07:54 <useless> smartmontools has been installed
14:09:29 <useless> (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): CAM status: SCSI Status Error
14:09:29 <useless> (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): SCSI status: Check Condition
14:09:29 <useless> (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): SCSI sense: NOT READY asc:3a,0 (Medium not present)
14:09:29 <useless> (da0:umass-sim0:0:0:0): Error 6, Unretryable error
14:09:34 <useless> ooops might need to reboot
14:10:19 <babz> lol
14:10:20 <babz> that was my question 1 hour ago
14:10:23 <useless> anyway to reinitialize without reboot?
14:10:33 <voy4g3r2> i would default to babz response :)
14:10:35 <useless> this just happened because i removed the card
14:10:48 <voy4g3r2> sort of need the card to do the formatting.. it is pre-requisite
14:12:39 <useless> yeah its broken. brb
14:23:20 <usemore> well that was interesting
14:23:32 <usemore> how'd i get in before without registering?
14:23:51 <usemore> <useless_> i dont think a flash card has any s.m.a.r.t. features
14:23:51 <usemore> <useless_> smartclt cant find the device
14:23:51 <usemore> <useless_> lets step back a moment... i'm using a partition (da0s1) ...most tutorials are using the raw device. am i wrong?
14:23:51 <voy4g3r2> welcome back
14:24:08 <usemore> thx :)
14:25:31 <voy4g3r2> that i do not know the answer to.. but maybe a reformat of the drive? see if we can replicate the corruption?
14:25:44 <usemore> . /dev/da0s1: Unable to detect device type
14:26:12 <usemore> okay. there's no mkfs.exfat on freebsd tho
14:26:51 <voy4g3r2> that is correct, you have to leverage the fusefs module to do that
14:26:55 <usemore> and theres no exfat-utils in ports
14:27:06 <usemore> ok, not sure how that's done
14:27:18 <voy4g3r2> https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/mounting-exfat-usb-with-freebsd.84671/
14:27:19 <VimDiesel`> Title: Solved - mounting exFAT usb with freebsd | The FreeBSD Forums
14:27:44 <usemore> i've read that page _so_ many tmies
14:28:26 <usemore> it must be obsolete, cuz none of that works
14:28:52 <usemore> i cant get the fusefs module to load at boot at all
14:29:12 <voy4g3r2> the stars are aligning and God is saying.. DON'T use exfat :)
14:29:21 <usemore> :(
14:29:22 <voy4g3r2> but we are getting somewhere
14:30:09 <voy4g3r2> so full circle.. why are we doing exfat again?
14:30:23 <voy4g3r2> if you are plugging into bsd/linux boxes.. and sharing with dlna.. who cares ?
14:30:53 <usemore> well, the reason was usb3.0 transfer of 1tb files onto the card from my linux box
14:31:19 <usemore> but i suppose i could just switch to rsync/ssh
14:33:08 <usemore> okay. screw exfat :)
14:33:48 <usemore> i also thought it would be nice to use the collection in my vehicle, or elsewhere
14:34:05 <usemore> but freebsd has dashed all my hopes :(
14:35:52 <usemore> do i use a slice or raw device for the zfs fs?
14:36:31 <usemore> slice it is
14:37:02 <usemore> oh..ufs or zfs?
14:38:10 <voy4g3r2> ufs would work
14:38:15 <voy4g3r2> it is what i use for my raspberrypi install
14:38:23 <voy4g3r2> i have no exposure/experience with zfs yet
14:39:00 <usemore> i dont have ufs
14:39:12 <usemore> i like zpool
14:39:26 <voy4g3r2> i would have to bow out, maybe ext4
14:40:11 <usemore> argh. it created a da0s1a....whats the a??
14:40:45 <usemore> this is where opnsense becomes an issue...theres no ext4 either
14:42:02 <voy4g3r2> ill brb i have a meeting
14:46:35 <usemore> https://serverfault.com/questions/628632/should-i-create-zfs-zpools-with-whole-disks-or-partitions
14:46:37 <VimDiesel`> Title: unix - Should I create ZFS zpools with whole disks or partitions? - Server Fault
14:49:33 <voy4g3r2> that is outside my wheelhouse, i would find a format that opnsense can read and go with that
14:49:44 <voy4g3r2> maybe ext3?
14:54:19 <nerozero> Hi there, i'm starting getting this message on pkg update: pkg: No HTTP mirrors founds for the repo 'local_poudriere'
14:54:38 * usemore loves zfs again
14:56:30 <nerozero> the repos config file: https://bsd.to/WgvD
14:56:31 <VimDiesel`> Title: dpaste/WgvD (Plain Text)
14:57:36 <nerozero> never mind, removing "mirror_type" option - solves the issue
14:58:22 <voy4g3r2> usemore: so i think yhour issue is "solved"?
15:01:39 <nerozero> voy4g3r2, If you think this is not a valid solution - then please share your opinion
15:07:05 <usemore> voy4g3r2, i'm just reverting to zfs....not really a fix is it?
15:07:27 <usemore> can you help with something else...i wanna clean up the mess left behind by my experimenting
15:07:57 <usemore> pkg autoremove does nothing...i'm trying to find a util call portsclean....
15:08:16 <usemore> the only place is see it is on github under portsuils, but thats 11 years old...
15:08:21 <usemore> portsutils
15:08:28 <usemore> i dont have it in pkg or ports..
15:10:17 <usemore> shaderc-2023.7                     ?   orphaned: graphics/shaderc
15:10:17 <usemore> shared-mime-info-2.2_1             ?   orphaned: misc/shared-mime-info
15:10:25 <usemore> i wanna get rid of stuff like that
15:11:55 <cedb> usemore: what are you trying to do i dont get it
15:12:45 <usemore> clean up my mess
15:13:17 <usemore> i want to remove all orphaned dependencies, and stuff that i installed from ports and dont need
15:18:35 <usemore> i guess its in portupgrade
15:18:42 <usemore> which is in ports
15:18:58 <nerozero> try this pkg update -f
15:18:58 <nerozero> pkg upgrade
15:18:58 <nerozero> pkg autoremove
15:19:12 <usemore> ===>  portupgrade-2.4.16_1,2 Only ruby 3.0, 3.1, 3,2 and 3.3 are supported.
15:19:12 <usemore> *** Error code 1
15:19:50 <usemore> pkg autoremove
15:19:50 <usemore> Checking integrity... done (0 conflicting)
15:19:50 <usemore> Nothing to do.
15:20:09 <usemore> oh boy
15:20:15 <nerozero> then manually remove orphaned packages
15:20:24 <nerozero> pkg delete shaderc-2023.7
15:20:25 <usemore> yeah thats lame
15:20:41 <nerozero> then pkg info | grep .... | ....
15:20:49 <usemore> these are ports builds not packages
15:21:07 <nerozero> strongly suggest to move towards poudriere
15:21:19 <nerozero> solves 99.9% of all my issues
15:21:23 <usemore> you know what they are pkgs
15:21:33 <usemore> i've heard of it...havent wrapped my head aroun dit
15:21:59 <usemore> Deinstallation has been requested for the following 4 packages (of 0 packages in the universe):
15:22:00 <usemore> Installed packages to be REMOVED:
15:22:00 <usemore> 	ffmpeg: 6.0_5,1
15:22:00 <usemore> 	libplacebo: 6.338.1
15:22:00 <usemore> 	minidlna: 1.3.2_4,1
15:22:00 <usemore> 	shaderc: 2023.7
15:22:11 <voy4g3r2> usemore: it is a fix, it shows that exfat was not the best solution to the problem.
15:22:15 <usemore> ok...if i'm using minidlna how is shaderc orphaned?
15:22:45 <nerozero> remove package then recompile the port
15:23:01 <nerozero> with clean dependency
15:23:07 <usemore> how can i get portsclean?
15:23:19 <nerozero> WHY ?
15:23:27 <usemore> to automate this
15:23:46 <usemore> i truly dont get freebsd. i'm a mess.
15:24:09 <usemore> why have such an effed'up convoluted os....why?/
15:24:53 <usemore> to give windows some competition?
15:25:21 <usemore> "oh you think you've got a windows migraine.....try this!"
15:28:18 <usemore> i do enjoy variety...but imagine if which ditched all the distractions and everyone focused on linux
15:33:54 <usemore> *if we
15:34:18 <usemore> anyway, thanks voy4g3r2 and nerozero
15:35:57 <voy4g3r2> usemore: those topics are outside of this channel and glad you were able to get a resolution.
15:36:19 <usemore> https://arstechnica.com/space/2023/10/nasa-wants-the-voyagers-to-age-gracefully-so-its-time-for-a-software-patch/
15:36:21 <VimDiesel`> Title: NASA wants the Voyagers to age gracefully, so it’s time for a software patch | Ars Technica
15:36:21 <usemore> neat
15:37:22 <voy4g3r2> yes, it is an awesome technology marvel.. even have it as part of my solar system sleeve
15:38:27 <usemore> sleeve?
15:38:34 <voy4g3r2> tattoo sleeve
15:38:39 <usemore> ahh
15:39:03 <usemore> are you trying to tell us youre a nerd? :c\
15:39:06 <usemore> :)
15:40:06 <usemore> what os would the voyagers be running? a form of unix or in-house from scratch?
15:41:18 <usemore> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_operating_systems
15:41:19 <VimDiesel`> Title: Timeline of operating systems - Wikipedia
15:41:34 <usemore> 1977
15:41:35 <usemore>     1BSD  ...would ya look at that
15:48:39 <voy4g3r2> usemore: there are many rabbithole youtube videos on that subject.. and variety is important, what one does with one live is only for them to decide :)
21:54:54 <voy4g3r2> it is so simple to setup a network printer.. wow, not dealing with CUPS hell is great!
22:08:35 <voy4g3r2> well i spoke too soon, can't i just bonjour the pritner and the system knows about it.. guess not