00:44:26 <megaTherion> Im looking to determine the negotiated link speed of an network interface, where would I find that?
00:44:54 <megaTherion> thought that ifconfig might tell it simply.. but actually it doesn't - media says "autoselect"
00:56:23 <debdrup> V_PauAmma_V: rcorder does do -p, but rc_parallel_start got reverted back in f61831d2e8b and I don't know of anyone working on fixing it.
00:57:35 <megaTherion> ok wasn't all too wrong, it is normally in the same line but not for if_ue ... there is also no manpage for this driver?
00:59:41 <debdrup> Also, C3 is out, so get your testing in asap.
01:00:10 <debdrup> megaTherion: I think if_cdce is what you want?
01:01:02 <megaTherion> debdrup: true
01:01:21 <debdrup> It's now past 3, so off to bed with me.
01:02:10 <megaTherion> goodnight
01:30:16 <ngortheone> does anybody know if there are official AWS AMIs for FreeBSD?
01:30:41 <ngortheone> I think I saw the annoucement somewhere not so long ago, but I can't remember where
01:40:08 <JKHII> ngortheone: Look in the release announcement about midway throught the Availavility section. https://www.freebsd.org/releases/13.2R/announce/
01:40:09 <VimDiesel> Title: FreeBSD 13.2-RELEASE Announcement | The FreeBSD Project
01:41:38 <ngortheone> thanks
01:41:45 <ngortheone> hmm,.. only UFS images
01:41:49 <ngortheone> Are there ZFS images?
01:42:24 <JKHII> Don't know
01:46:24 <JKHII> It looks like there are ufs and zfs images for 14.0-RC3 that was announced a couple of hours ago.
01:48:23 <ngortheone> niice
01:50:04 <cedb> anyone got a blog with some nice zfs tutorials? ive read the books and all buti mean workflow wise yk
01:51:47 <ngortheone> cebd depends on what you actually need. Search for Dan Langile's blogs, he posts good opeational notes, describing how he does things on FBSD
01:52:59 <cedb> im mostly thinking snapshotting builds when i experiment with knobs on my poudriere jails
01:53:13 <cedb> (thanks looking him upatm)
01:54:38 <ngortheone> I also highly recommend checking out FreeBSD Journal
01:54:39 <ngortheone> https://freebsdfoundation.org/our-work/journal/browser-based-edition/
01:54:40 <VimDiesel> Title: Browser-Based Edition – FreeBSD Foundation
01:54:47 <ngortheone> tons of top-quality articles.
01:57:26 <cedb> oh hell yeah
01:57:46 <cedb> "FAQ: why we moved to a free model" now thats the kind uno card i like
01:58:28 <cedb> cant seem to find a link for a paid print subscription there isnt one right?
01:59:58 <ngortheone> It was LONG time ago
02:00:02 <V_PauAmma_V> Not anymore, I think, but you can donate. :-)
02:00:04 <ngortheone> they never removed it
02:00:13 <ngortheone> I think last paid issue was in 2014
02:00:33 <cedb> V_PauAmma_V: i understand its not that i want to spend money its that i really paper
02:00:42 <cedb> but i pay for my paper obv
02:00:52 <ngortheone> I'd pay for paper edition as well
02:00:58 <ngortheone> But I dunno if there is one
02:01:13 <cedb> i tried to look for solid tech paper printed publications once and... ya no
02:01:15 <ngortheone> I'd even buy all issues in paper in bulk
02:01:29 <cedb> im tired of adjusting browser css to read blogs
02:01:48 <cedb> sysutils/glow is neat though
02:03:18 <cedb> reminds me, anychance of running sway (or anything wayland really) with my "NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2060"? it worked on linux with nouveau but nvidia-drm-kmod just crashes with the fury of a thousand of luke's revelatoins
02:06:02 <ngortheone> sway in nvidia is a known issue. I heard it got better in recent year. Nvidia caved in on EGLStreams and promised (or already did?) to support GBM
02:06:17 <ngortheone> so it *should* work
02:06:51 <cedb> so what technically would be in my kldlist for typing sway in a tty with seatd enabled to just work?
02:07:20 <cedb> right now i have nvidia{,-modeset}.ko
02:08:20 <cedb> ngortheone: this is waht ive got under boot/modules http://ix.io/4K7L
02:09:10 <ngortheone> you have all drivers loaded at once :) I woundn't do that, but hey, if that works,...
02:09:23 <ngortheone> I don't think you need more drivers
02:10:37 <ngortheone> https://github.com/crispyricepc/sway-nvidia
02:10:38 <VimDiesel> Title: GitHub - crispyricepc/sway-nvidia: Helper files to make sway a better experience for us poor NVIDIA users.
02:10:46 <ngortheone> just googled it, never tried
02:10:51 <cedb> its also a like 6 year old card so maybe
02:11:17 <cedb> woush thanks ngortheone
02:12:01 <ngortheone> https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/sway
02:12:02 <VimDiesel> Title: Sway - ArchWiki
02:12:24 <ngortheone> also always read Archwiki, tons of useful tweaks even for non-linux
02:13:19 <ngortheone> 6 year old card is not an issue, make sure you have latest drivers installed
02:17:27 <cedb> arch is my home distro on linux the aw is basically the manpages as far as im concerned :)
02:18:11 <cedb> hmm i screwed up my gettytab setting up ly, can i just kill -somesignal the gettys on my non X  ttys (this current one is working) or do i need to reboot?
02:18:22 <cedb> (theyre full of nonsense colored artfacts those other ttys)
02:31:09 <BillyJoeBob> So, is there a way I can upgrade glibc for the Linux ABI? There's an app I'm wanting to run but the libc in the linux-c7-base is too old.
04:02:58 <rtprio> adb
04:03:00 <rtprio> erm
05:58:16 <tercaL> Good morning
07:03:26 <polyex> anyone using 14 in light production?
07:47:15 <meena> V_PauAmma_V: i don't know how my keyboard managed to make "unsay" out of "that"
09:47:53 <debdrup> meena: very carefully, I imagine
10:35:12 <megaTherion> Im trying to get an 2.5gbps usb ethernet adapter running, basically works with the if_ure driver (if you stop freebsd from assigning if_cdce) - but the throughput is still horrible.
11:12:08 <debdrup> Sorry, not really sure which parts to prod.
13:44:16 <usemore> hello...i've hit a wall installing things from ports. i get the error: "<stdbool.h> does not exist on this platform. Use gnulib module 'stdbool-c99' instead of gnulib module" ...cant find anything online. it seems to occur with any build i try now
13:47:07 <CueXXIII> stdbool.h does belong to the c stdlib, how did you delete that?
13:47:53 <nimaje> usemore: but your system still has /usr/include/stdbool.h ?
13:49:37 <CueXXIII> usemore: what happenes when you run: echo '#include <stdbool.h>' | cpp
13:52:50 <usemore> # 1 "/usr/include/stdbool.h" 1 3 4
13:53:27 <usemore> -r--r--r--  1 root  wheel  1658 Oct 24 03:20 /usr/include/stdbool.h
13:54:15 <CueXXIII> then you need to give more context, ideally all in a pastebin
13:54:27 <CueXXIII> all output
13:54:28 <usemore> CueXXIII, there was several lines ouput..didnt wanna get kicked
13:54:43 <usemore> what pastebin do we use here typically?
13:54:56 <CueXXIII> see topic, or just chose one not annoying
13:55:04 <usemore> ah yes
13:56:36 <usemore> https://bsd.to/sSfa
13:56:37 <VimDiesel> Title: dpaste/sSfa (Plain Text)
13:56:44 <usemore> theres something...maybe not what youre looking for
13:58:11 <CueXXIII> that's not the complete output from the build
13:58:30 <usemore> no, it isnt sorry
13:58:42 <usemore> ===>   mpfr-4.2.1,1 depends on file: /usr/local/bin/makeinfo - not found
13:58:46 <usemore> also noticed that
13:59:18 <usemore> how do i redirect the build output to a text file? or what log file should i paste?
13:59:46 <CueXXIII> ... 2>&1 | tee buildlog.txt
14:00:22 <CueXXIII> makeinfo is only for documentation file proocessing
14:00:55 <usemore> Ambiguous output redirect.
14:01:52 <CueXXIII> uhh… csh? echo $SHELL outputs csh?
14:02:01 <usemore> https://bsd.to/GyZs
14:02:03 <VimDiesel> Title: dpaste/GyZs (Plain Text)
14:03:17 <usemore> i think it all comes back to texinfo
14:03:53 <usemore> and i previously searched for textinfo by mistake. just installed texinfo from pkg
14:05:09 <usemore> my build is progressing
14:05:15 <usemore> sorry for the bother
14:05:44 <CueXXIII> hm, cc broken? or do you have another cc binary? -> which -a cc
14:06:11 <usemore> just /usr/bin/cc
14:07:13 <usemore> things are building now
14:07:40 <usemore> thanks for your help
14:07:56 <CueXXIII> what did you change?
14:09:34 <nimaje> (using poudriere or synth (is synth still maintained?) to build ports is a good idea, as that doesn't touch your system while building, so you aren't in some half-updated state that could be broken and they build in a clean environment)
14:10:17 <usemore> CueXXIII, i just installed the missing texinfo pkg
14:14:24 <nimaje> hm, pretty sure the ports framework should handle that in some way and doesn't tries to build with missing dependencies and that error message seems really strange for that cause
14:16:41 <usemore> i dont konw enough about it...just know it works now. thanks everyone.
15:52:15 <ferz> Hi.
15:52:16 <ferz> at the end of man wg  there is a ref about wg-quick(8) but that man it's not installed.  Is it a bug to fix in wg man?
16:00:20 <cedb> building texlive on current makes tex-formats choke on this : [00:00:18] 'make: exec(/usr/local/bin/mktexlsr) failed (No such file or directory)'
16:00:33 <cedb> woups sorry i thought i was in ports
16:03:29 <nimaje> ferz: well, wg-quick comes from a package, not sure if that reference should be removed, probably not, but maybe it should be made clearer somewhere, that wg-quick is third-party software
16:53:28 <unixman_home> Hi all. What is a current CLI paste tool that works from FreeBSD 12.4? I have tried pastebinit-1.5.1 (which I have used successfully a while back), and wgetpaste-2.33 so far and neither of them seem to work to paste from the CLI now. It seems the pastebin end-points have changed the way they accept data and the CLI tools have not kept up.
17:00:19 <nimaje> hm, what do you want there? just putting stuff in some pastebin? I use a shell function for that  pb () { curl --form "file=@${1:--}" https://0x0.st/ }
17:00:35 <RhodiumToad> dpaste.org can also easily be pasted to with curl
17:00:51 <unixman_home> Nice. Okay, thanks!
17:00:57 <RhodiumToad> but the easiest is termbin.com, which you can paste to with  nc termbin.com 9999
17:01:52 <RhodiumToad> for dpaste.org, you can use  curl -s -F 'format=url' -F 'lexer=_code' -F 'content=<-' https://dpaste.org/api/
17:02:16 <RhodiumToad> the lexer arg can be used to select a language (_code is the "plain code" option)
17:06:55 <unixman_home> Sweet! Thanks nimaje and RhodiumToad, you guys helped me learn new things today. :)
17:23:39 <rwp> When I am pasting from the command line just like RhodiumToad I always use "| nc termbin.com 9999" because it's easy enough to type, no configuration needed, and I can (mostly) remember it.
17:24:54 <rwp> If I am crafting a combined paste of several things I want to show all together and if I also want it on bsd.to (see topic) then after pasting to termbin.com several different pastes I can then transfer those and edit them into the combined several paste thing on https://bsd.to/ and then use it.
17:24:55 <VimDiesel> Title: dpaste
17:27:09 <RhodiumToad> bsd.to is the same basic code as dpaste.org, but unfortunately it has a csrf token that means you can't paste to it simply with curl
17:27:20 <RhodiumToad> probably some sitewide config thing
18:05:38 <rwp> Hmm...  A pastebin site with a csrf token for POST on a site that does not require login does seem like a conflict of goals there.
18:16:16 <nimaje> hm? afaiu csrf is a technique to make sure that the request was really wanted from the user and not somehow forged and would just need a second request via curl to extract the token first
18:39:15 <ferz> nimaje: thank you
18:43:14 <rwp> The explanation is more complicated but csrf tokens prevent one 3rd party site from exploiting a user being logged into another site which is good but the pastebin we use don't have logins and are all anonymous posting anyway so nothing to exploit.
18:45:32 <rwp> It seems to me at the most likely guess is that some toolkit was used to produce the form and the Best Practice for forms in a logged in site is to always emit a csrf token and so it just happened.
21:20:14 <markmcb> I'm at a loss on how to progress with PR 273372 ... it is the only (major) problem I have with FreeBSD. Should I get on the mailing lists to discuss and troubleshoot? The bug tracker seems like a bit abandoned.
21:41:26 <dch> markmcb: I don't use this combo but maybe bring it up in #bhyve channel and mention its an SRIOV on chelsio
21:41:37 <dch> it seems like something other people would be using
21:42:23 <markmcb> dch: thanks, i didn't even realize there was one.
22:05:03 <gustik> hi, any idea how to use terminfo db on freebsd?
22:05:39 <gustik> because there is a pkg that says terminfo db somedate and there is also my terminal definitions, I have it installed but nothing seems to make use of it
22:06:02 <gustik> some say that it needs to be read by termcap but I do not have any kind of infocap or whatever tool
22:17:35 <gustik> I see that the infocmp tool is part of the base system on 14- but not included with 13-
22:19:29 <gustik> aha, on 13- one needs to install the ncurses pkg
22:19:45 <gustik> now I have the infocmp tool
22:50:26 <gustik> looks like that terminfo is only being used by apps that are compiled, not fetched by pkg
22:51:09 <gustik> when I compile tmux from ports, it works, when I fetch it from pkg, it says that he can not find terminfo database, of course, because he was not compiled with it
22:51:34 <rwp> I thought that FreeBSD used termcap instead of terminfo?  No?
22:53:09 <gustik> well, but termcap is of no use
22:53:46 <gustik> with terminfo installed and tmux compiled, he finds his way around
22:55:19 <gustik> but since terminfo is part of freebsd since 14- it is about to change
22:55:45 <gustik> I think openbsd and netbsd did that bold move earlier
23:00:01 <gustik> https://man.netbsd.org/termcap.5#HISTORY
23:00:03 <VimDiesel> Title: termcap(5) - NetBSD Manual Pages
23:04:58 <gustik> but now that I understood that maybe I could get a shot at getting that termcap working too
23:08:49 <cedb> sysutils/glow is outputing garbage that looks like a string of escape codes when used with the pager option but not otherwise (alacritty) any idea what coulod cause that?
23:09:04 <gustik> ah, that works now too
23:09:14 <cedb> (i quite like this tool, also alacritty, on i3)
23:09:20 <gustik> was not that hard, but the tips on internetz are worng as hell again
23:09:56 <gustik> I am on alacritty here
23:11:04 <cedb> gustik: hmm  i didnt scrolback that much but is your thread related to my issue somehow?
23:11:17 <rwp> Put me down as liking terminfo over termcap on a technical level as being more lookup efficient, which is why it replaced termcap other places, but I haven't found termcap to be a problem myself.
23:12:38 <gustik> cedb: no idea, but might be
23:12:48 <cedb> hmm terminfo wsant installed
23:13:07 <gustik> I was just doing proper adjustments so that alacritty works
23:13:53 <gustik> I was surprised why niche terminal emulators like st worked but alacritty not, I found that the reason was that it's included in the termcap but alacritty is not
23:14:07 <cedb> well yes but now im wondering why it wouldnt work cause im on current using alacritty
23:14:16 <cedb> ahhhh
23:14:29 <gustik> well, as I was talking before 14- has it included
23:14:51 <gustik> I have tested with 13- and 14-
23:15:19 <cedb> i just get this nonsense output: ESC[38;5;252mESC[0mESC[38;5;252mESC[0m  ESC[38;5;252m:::ESC[0mESC[38;5;252m {#header}ES
23:16:57 <cedb> ahh okay nvm i just hadnt set my pager to something else than else my bad
23:17:04 <cedb> (glow is super neat btw)
23:18:18 <gustik> what is glow?
23:19:00 <gustik> aha
23:19:04 <gustik> markdown to console?
23:30:18 <cedb> ya but with cute colors, automatic fetching from the web and gpg stashing
23:30:40 <cedb> probably nothing you wouldnt be able to shell tape together but its cute and not a hassle to build
23:31:29 <cedb> i use it as kind of org mode methadone cause if i got there the rabbit hole just never stops for a couple days every single damn time