00:18:36 Huh. Just updated an old VM from 12.1-Rp13 to 13.2-Rp4 and there is no longer a /bootpool/boot 00:18:38 That's nice. 00:22:06 Hrm. Looks like the zfs import for /bootpool was needed. Interesting. 06:17:21 poudriere is building llvm13 and 15 at the same time intituitively wouldnt doing one after the other be faster? 11:46:20 poudriere is designed to build lots of things in parallel 11:47:51 there's an option to do priority boosts for specific packages, which some use to ensure that toolchains et al are built first, and you can also set certain packages to be built using threads which helps when dealing with said toolchains 11:48:01 ek your bootpool is separate than the OS? 11:48:27 or you can use the seeded package features, which grabs dependencies from the package servers, so you don't have to build toolchains 11:50:22 all of the above is documented in poudriere.conf or the manual pages 11:54:05 anyone familiar with the current state of mono.. trying to port openra's latest update, but hitting into some weird problems with mono trying to build the project. 13:05:54 i have no idea how to fix sound now 13:06:01 any idea> 13:06:03 ? 13:18:24 hmm, it'd be nice if you could have pkg install just the UID/GID entries for a package 13:19:01 like if you want to run a webserver in a jail, you'll still want the host to have www:www even if you don't want the package installed there 13:33:23 Freaky: why? 13:34:03 didn't I just explain that in the second line 13:34:52 save manual faffing about with pw or installing and removing the package in the host 13:35:48 I don't understand why you want to have the user on the host 13:37:02 numeric user ids suck and I never want to see or use them? 13:39:02 quick, what user is 143? 144? which one is the 'null' user for that service? 13:39:40 Freaky the right solution is to make libc understand jail, and get that info from a jail instead 13:40:13 for user 1000 on host is Freaky , but 1000 in Jail Foo is antranigv , while 1000 in Jail Bar is meena 13:40:24 it's hard to solve this properly. 13:40:34 I would solve that with a great deal of fire 13:41:10 for example, I have a PoC of ps that jexecs into a jail, gets the name and passes it to the host 13:41:56 however, I hated that implementation because 1) threads and forks are expensive 2) if you run DTrace on the jail, you will see some exec-like operations 13:42:11 I'd quite like jails to share the user namespace, I suppose LDAP is made for that sort of thing 13:42:22 Freaky yes, that's what I do 13:42:44 as a matter of fact I am migrating our last NIS infrastructure to LDAP right now :)) 14:17:55 antranigv: how bad is NIS? 14:22:12 meena better than everything else 14:22:33 it easier to debug, it simpler to manager, it nicer than AD, it's more documented than LDAP 14:22:46 then why are you switching to LDAP? 14:24:17 because we're expanding our usage of directories beyond user/group/machine, which is something that NIS was not made for 14:58:20 meena also, I totally forgot, one thing I personally didn't like about NIS is the lack of caching. somehow these days we have faster but less reliable networks. 15:23:39 antranigv: what about nscd? 15:27:43 is there a way to install more minimal binary distribution of mc than mc-nox11? perl and python surely aren't mandatory for this simple file manager to run 15:31:28 the port says it needs them, if it doesn't then that's a problem with the port 15:35:17 RhodiumToad, there is a problem probably ;) this tiny tool should not have over 200MB dependencies (should be 30-50 if not less) 15:38:26 so, remove perl5 and python from the USES list in the port and verify that it still builds 15:40:49 if it does, then report it as a bug 15:41:15 there are also options you can use if it needs them to build but not at runtime 15:46:05 meena actually, we've never used nscd, that might be a good idea for caching! 15:49:04 RhodiumToad, I'm trying to avoid building because of extremely slow hardware (this is why I'm installing everything possible in binary form) 15:49:38 by extremely slow I mean oldest version of Raspberry Pi 15:51:11 I have plenty of disk space (32GB, fastest Sandisk card I was able to get my hands on) but I'm severely limited by other resources (painfully slow CPU and 256MB RAM) 15:51:41 if you're going to claim that something isn't required, then you have to demonstrate that it works 15:51:56 I've built ports on an RPI2B, it's not that painful 15:52:59 but cross-building for RPI2 using qemu-user-static and native-xtools is pretty easy 15:53:20 RhodiumToad, ok I'll demonstrate: mc does not require neither Perl nor Python on Debian GNU/Linux and Solaris 15:53:56 does it have features that are only available with perl or python? 15:54:56 RhodiumToad, it needs Perl at build time (but not at runtime) 15:54:58 it comes with a few "external filesystem" scripts (like for S3 storage) that are written in python or perl 15:55:34 then there should be an option to turn those off 15:55:40 grawity, oh ok :( so I guess compiling by hand is only way if I'd like to save disk space (and it's not worth the effort afaics) 15:56:13 thanks for help RhodiumToad and grawity 16:28:22 Archlinux marks several dependencies as optional: https://archlinux.org/packages/extra/x86_64/mc/ 16:28:23 Title: Arch Linux - mc 4.8.30-1 (x86_64) 16:29:19 https://gitlab.archlinux.org/archlinux/packaging/packages/mc/-/blob/main/PKGBUILD?ref_type=heads#L28 16:29:20 Title: PKGBUILD · main · Arch Linux / Packaging / Packages / mc · GitLab 18:38:35 hi kids 19:55:47 should git die with "fatal: index-pack failed" error when trying to sync ports? 19:56:06 it always fails after downloading around 180MB 19:56:54 this is how I run git: git clone https://git.FreeBSD.org/ports.git -b 2023Q4 /usr/ports 19:56:55 Title: ports - FreeBSD ports tree 19:59:19 hey there, I see OpenZFS 2.2.0 came out yesterday, seems great 19:59:43 how would someone go about testing it on FreeBSD 13.2? 20:25:33 veg: https://www.freshports.org/search.php?query=openzfs 20:26:00 don't look very upto date tho 22:43:22 anyone know how to see which PCI devices are in which IOMMU groups? lspci appears to only support this on Linux 22:59:21 remexre: the FreeBSD equivalent of lspci is pciconf 23:04:07 meena: I'm not seeing an option in the manpage to show IOMMU groups; can it do this? 23:04:08 remexre, Try with the -lev options: pciconf -lev 23:04:55 I don't know anything about IOMMU groups though. Just how to list out the PCI bus with the above. 23:06:37 rwp: yeah, I'm not seeing anything about them there either 23:19:42 there's also devinfo… 23:27:15 i have a service running in a virtualbox vm on a host-only adapter (vboxnet0) with the ip 10.127.1.11. how can i tell pf to redirect incoming traffic on port 8080 to the vm? 23:32:44 i thought it should look like this, but it's not working: rdr pass on $home_if proto tcp from any to $home_if port 8080 -> $vbox_vm_ip port 8080 23:32:54 meena: not up to date indeed, hence my question 23:33:35 veg: you can open up a bug report to update the port 23:36:03 meena: thanks for the suggestion, that makes sense 23:36:13 or I could wait for FreeBSD 14? ;) 23:36:35 that being said, is there a way to know which OpenZFS version is planned to be shipped with 14.0? 23:37:55 veg: if you want the latest and hottest ZFS, then you need to stick with CURRENT :P 23:38:26 veg: there's no update happening before the ongoing release. We're at BETA5! Unless someone finds huge gaping holes 23:38:45 My file system is one of the things that I specifically do not chase the bleeding edge about. Is there a specific feature you are looking to have available in the new version? 23:40:51 chasing the bleeding edge in your file system is one of those things that is called playing stupid games to win stupid prizes :) 23:41:14 quite a few, rwp 23:41:56 - Block cloning (#13392) 23:42:13 - Corrective "zfs receive" (#9372) 23:42:33 - Prefetch improvements (#13452 is the most interesting to me) 23:43:15 and the rest seems very interesting too 23:43:46 I really don't feel OpenZFS is hellbent on pushing new features without rigorous testing 23:43:52 https://freshbsd.org/freebsd/src/branch/stable/14 23:43:53 Title: FreeBSD / src - FreshBSD 23:44:02 look at the raidz expansion patch which has been delayed for 2 years 23:44:06 vs https://freshbsd.org/freebsd/src/branch/releng/14.0 23:44:08 Title: FreeBSD / src - FreshBSD 23:45:32 zfs: merge openzfs/zfs at 95785196f (zfs-2.2-release) into stable/14 <- thanks \o/ 23:46:01 so we'll see that in the next BETA / first RC 23:47:16 meena: AFAIK first RC is out 23:47:24 never mind, we're already at RC1, so we'll see that at RC2. 23:52:04 sounds like 2.2.0 will be part of 14.0-RELEASE which is good enough for me :)