00:42:17 <labestia_>  
00:42:22 <labestia_> Hello
00:53:15 <BillyJoeBob> It's nice to use ChatGPT to turn bash specific stuff to POSIX compliant scripts. I'm trying to compile an application that uses bash and I'm wanting to not have to use bash to compile it. So far it's been working.
01:33:19 <BillyJoeBob> quit
01:33:21 <BillyJoeBob> damnit
03:31:01 <Nick> ee
03:31:30 <Nick> dd
04:47:46 <rtprio> ff
04:54:22 <parv> ff that! 800000 is the 💩!
04:54:59 <grawity> mmm, CGA colors
06:01:12 <polyex> i got a file at /tmp/foo.txt in my distribution.txz in my scripted bsdinstall. in the script part when i cat that file, it's not at that path. so how am i supposed to inject temporary files into a scripted bsdinstall environment pls?
06:57:48 <polyex> is the sftp subsystem in sshd required for rsync to work?
07:00:27 <rwp> rsync uses ssh not sftp.  So no, sftp is not required for rsync.
07:01:22 <rwp> The newest OpenSSH has converted scp from the old method (which had quirks) to the new method which uses sftp though.  So scp now requires sftp IIUC.
07:02:12 <polyex> i only use rsync for file transfer. see any probs with that?
07:03:53 <rwp> rsync is the most typically used file copy utility.  Why would there be problems with it?  Are you expecting problems?  Are you experiencing problems?
07:13:27 <polyex> figured out the /tmp/ issue. my bad
09:46:56 <meena> 01:53 <BillyJoeBob> It's nice to use ChatGPT to turn bash specific stuff to POSIX compliant scripts. I'm trying to compile an application that uses bash and I'm wanting to not have to use bash to compile it. So far it's been working. ← imagine just using devel/hs-ShellCheck to guide you through this process, and learn something instead of relying
09:46:56 <meena> on something that will lie to you, with high confidence…
10:03:22 <meena> RhodiumToad: source where the crash occurs: https://github.com/LuaDist/tcc/blob/master/libtcc.c#L1976
10:03:23 <VimDiesel> Title: tcc/libtcc.c at master · LuaDist/tcc · GitHub
10:07:13 <paulf> Is s1 valid?
10:30:31 <meena> paulf: how do i figure that out?
10:31:16 <meena> oh, s1 is TCCState…
10:31:41 <meena> let's try to remember how to set breakpoints and see where that gets us!
10:44:34 <meena> hrm, doesn't work. regardless of what breakpoint i try to set, i just get:
10:44:40 <meena> WARNING:  Unable to resolve breakpoint to any actual locations.
10:48:18 <meena> WITH_DEBUG didn't actually add -g
10:52:20 <meena> s1 is valid coming into the function
10:52:41 <meena> (or rather, it's got stuff in it, dunno if it's the right stuff)
11:02:36 <meena> updated debugging session: https://gist.github.com/igalic/dab6bde4f06c85406a6a2c2476e194ec
11:02:38 <VimDiesel> Title: tcc SIGSEGV on FreeBSD 14 and 15 · GitHub
11:15:41 <meena> here's the bug, https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=274211 so if someone sees thedaemon online again, or knows their email you can add them to CC
11:15:44 <VimDiesel> Title: 274211 – lang/tcc: Crashes with SIGSEGV on 14.x / 15.0-CURRENT when compiling hello world
11:16:17 <meena> that was fun! exercising some muscles that haven't seen exercise in a while.
11:39:00 <RhodiumToad> meena: offhand, that looks like there's something about the ELF info in crt1.o that tcc isn't able to handle
11:39:25 <RhodiumToad> sm_table[sh->sh_info] is apparently null
11:44:22 <meena> yeah, on the second run.
13:43:28 <Ltning> How can I get in touch with ports-secteam other than email? Very serious RCE in exim, and from what I can gather, nobody is dealing with that.
13:43:59 <Ltning> Tried to contact maintainer and ports-secteam but first my email was (ironically) blocked by the freebsd.org MX, and since getting it through, no response from either.
14:19:07 <CrtxReavr> Ltning, you try asking in #freebsd-ports on here or in #bsdports on EFnet?
14:19:51 <al1r4d> Hi guys, what do you think about reverse proxy nginx and cloudflared for secure tunnels? Which one is safe? currently host it on freebsd
14:30:09 <meena> can somebody explain to me how AWS is so successful, when it's utterly incomprehensible?
14:30:24 <meena> wait, never mind, i hit enter and remembered Kubernetes, so, never mind.
14:33:08 <isley> i think it's very comprehensible you just have to translate all their made up buzzwordy names in to whatever the service really is
14:35:04 <meena> isley: I understand that Kubernetes is an overblown workload manager, and that AWS is, in theory, a cloud service provider. But even with a table of word maps that's not gonna help me navigate the completely user hostile Interface.
14:35:05 <kevans> Ltning: i think ports-secteam has effectively been defunct for years
14:35:08 <kevans> i've complained a lot
14:39:05 <debdrup> Exim is a particularly bad case, because the vendor and security researcher failed to coordinate things, so it's now left as a issue for every distribution to deal with separately right up until the patch came out as of 4 hours ago.
14:39:36 <meena> good grief what a fuck up
14:40:20 <debdrup> To be honest, after the 10.0 CVE of a few years ago, I'm surprised Exim is still the most used MTA.
14:41:01 <debdrup> Postfix hasn't had any CVE that high, and they also have much better procedures in track.
14:41:58 <RhodiumToad> postfix is much less flexible, afaik
14:42:06 <rtprio> i thought it was most used because it was the default for a while on some linux systems?
14:43:18 <rtprio> RhodiumToad: i'm truly curious, what portions are more flexible on exim?
14:46:11 <RhodiumToad> what parts aren't? I admit my knowledge of postfix may be lacking
14:46:58 <debdrup> There's at least one thing exim doesn't do, which postfix does: milters.
14:47:20 <debdrup> Though the only other MTA that does milters is sendmail and.. yeah, that's not an option. :P
14:48:32 <rtprio> i guess it's been a while since silly mail tricks
14:49:31 <rtprio> or m4 macros for that matter
14:51:18 <RhodiumToad> milters exist because sendmail didn't have any better way to do filtering, whereas exim does
14:56:03 <rtprio> oh, i see
14:59:14 <RhodiumToad> so apparently the 9.8 CVE this time only applies if you're offering EXTERNAL auth
16:26:07 <Ltning> I broke my PC. Replaced nvidia card with amdgpu card, and now X won't start - it cannot find anything in /dev/dri
16:26:22 <Ltning> Latest drm-kmod (for 13.2), gpu-firmware installed, kld_list updated ..
16:40:56 <debdrup> Does kldstat -vv show the driver being loaded?
16:41:42 <debdrup> I'm not sure drm-kmod for 13.2 includes the latest drivers, so if it's not attaching despite being loaded, that might be why.
16:45:16 <Ltning> Yea the driver does load, but no firmwares do
16:45:27 <Ltning> Though I do have firmware for navi22 according to drm-firmware-kmod
16:45:35 <Ltning> erm, graphics-firmware-kmod
16:46:50 <Ltning> This card is more than a year old though
16:46:54 <Ltning> More like two
16:57:57 <Ltning> Uhm. Can a kernel really build in 33 seconds?
17:00:38 <angry_vincent> perhaps, with meta mode. but i find that lately it does more like full build despite the WITH_META_MODE is set
17:11:27 <Ltning> this is a fresh build
17:14:10 <beowuff> I've got an interesting issue during install of the latest 14 beta. During the install on my t-430, the wireless scan doesn't pick up my wireless AP. However, if I then specify the ssid on the next page, it picks that up and works. I don't know why the scan doesn't see it. If I manually jump to a terminal and run an ifconfig wlan0 scan, I can then see the AP. However, I can't connect to it from cli. I have to go back to the installer.
17:15:12 <beowuff> Not a huge deal, but annoying.
17:21:50 <Ltning> Brilliant. installing 14-kernel, building and installing drm-515-kmod there, and trying to load amdgpu causes all screen output to just stop
17:22:15 <meena> beowuff: i think i saw a bug in that that regard recently
17:22:39 <beowuff> Cool. Like I said, I wouldn't call it a show stopper, but it's very strange.
17:24:10 <meena> https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=273620 must be here somewhere
17:24:12 <VimDiesel> Title: 273620 – (iwlwifi) iwlwifi meta-bug
17:25:15 <meena> I don't have access to my email, and I feel like bugzilla's search is way worse than my my email search
17:25:57 <beowuff> Oh, yeah... iwlwifi. Thank you. I'll see if I can help out on the tickets.
17:31:53 <BillyJoeBob> So I've heard that WiFi is actually proper in 14, is that, overall, true?
17:32:12 <BillyJoeBob> I don't plan on switching until RC3 or 4 but just curious.
18:30:52 <gp5st_> When i run `sudo freebsd-update fetch install` I'm getting "The following files are affected by updates. No changes have been downloaded, however, because the files have been modified locally: /etc/ssh/sshd_config" I'm fine blowing away the change I made to that file, but I don't know how to do that and get freebsd-update to work
19:12:44 <gp5st_> oh, it seems it was trying to go to the current version installed, and not the next available
19:12:53 <gp5st_> if I specify the version I want it seems to work
19:14:14 <Jaffo> join #pfsense
19:14:37 <Jaffo> sorry...
19:14:42 <Jaffo> forgot /
19:21:50 <Jaffo> can someone please help me. I'm likely doing something I shouldn't but wanted to add my pfsense to my netdata monitoring. so i tried to follow  https://learn.netdata.cloud/docs/installing/pfsense
19:21:51 <VimDiesel> Title: Install Netdata on pfSense CE | Learn Netdata
19:22:19 <Jaffo> I now get this ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libssl.so.30" not found, required by "pkg"
19:22:35 <Jaffo> I can't even run the recommend pkg search without getting the same error
19:33:32 <Jaffo> I found the new/current way here https://forum.netgate.com/topic/180932/howto-monitoring-the-system-and-network-by-netdata-pfsense-plus/2
19:33:33 <VimDiesel> Title: [HOWTO]monitoring the system and network by netdata @pfSense Plus | Netgate Forum
19:33:36 <rtprio> eh
19:33:38 <Jaffo> but can't get past the error i posted
19:33:49 <rtprio> looks like you botched a freebsd world upgrade
19:35:12 <_xor> pkg-static boostrap?
19:38:05 <rtprio> or only have part of freebsd 14
19:38:12 <telgareith> I copied over what seems to be a statically linked go executable (rclone 1.6.4) to a freebsd 13 appliance where I can't install apps, and I'm having issues. Can I be certain it's not an executable <-> OS incompatibility?
19:38:17 <rtprio> specfically the openssl part
19:38:56 <_xor> telgareith: What's the error message? Also, `file /path/to/rclone` to see what it says.
19:45:52 <Jaffo> Id appreciate if someone could help me fix the mess i've created and follow the second options on netgates forum instead
19:46:12 <Jaffo> i ahave pfsense 23.05 as mentioned in the article
20:20:50 <polyex> hey is there a bug where rc.conf sendmail_enable="NONE" doesn't disable every sendmail thing that's enabled by default?
20:23:50 <V_PauAmma_V> I think it used to but that was deprecated?
20:24:55 <RhodiumToad> it still supposed to work
20:25:23 <RhodiumToad> polyex: what makes you think there is such a bug?
20:25:46 <polyex> i think i remember in the past couple days someone saying that
20:26:14 <polyex> there are 4 things it should turn off but i guess it was only turning off 3?
20:26:27 <polyex> should turn off cert create, msp queue enable, outpout enable, and submit enable
20:28:13 <RhodiumToad> it doesn't turn off cert create
20:28:27 <polyex> ya isn't that a bug?
20:28:45 <RhodiumToad> but I don't think that should run when sendmail_enable itself is not on
20:29:27 <RhodiumToad> but maybe it does
20:29:30 * RhodiumToad shrugs
20:29:43 <RhodiumToad> personally I build WITHOUT_SENDMAIL which means i don't care
20:29:44 <gp5st_> Is there a way to enable the home and end keys to work? My TERM=xterm-256color which seems to be in /usr/share/misc/termcap but this is territory I'm not well versed in and not even sure where to begin.
20:29:56 <RhodiumToad> work in what?
20:29:57 <polyex> if it's a bug we should report it tho
20:30:24 <RhodiumToad> go ahead and report it then
20:30:37 <polyex> k
20:30:58 <polyex> btw, why does 13.2 system hardening menu sysctl security.bsd.allow_destructive_dtrace? that's an unknown oid
20:31:17 <gp5st_> RhodiumToad, if that was to me, work in xfce4-terminal (not sure if that's relevant, but it's what I'm using currently)
20:32:02 <RhodiumToad> polyex: I think it becomes defined if dtrace is loaded
20:32:19 <RhodiumToad> yup
20:32:26 <polyex> how does dtrace get loaded?
20:32:43 <RhodiumToad> any of the usual ways for kmods
20:33:38 <RhodiumToad> gp5st_: in a curses program, or in some other full-screen terminal program, or at the shell or some other readline/libedit program?
20:33:41 <polyex> if i don't load dtrace does anything else do it for me?
20:34:06 <gp5st_> RhodiumToad, oh, sorry. Just on the shell. currently using zsh
20:36:23 <polyex> if i put the unknown oid into loader.conf, will that generate a log error every time i boot?
20:37:54 <RhodiumToad> gp5st_: that's a matter for ZLE (man zshzle) not termcap
20:38:08 <gp5st_> Thanks
20:38:51 <gp5st_> I'll check it out. It's only ever an issue when I ssh to freebsd servers, which is why I thought that might be the issue
20:40:55 <RhodiumToad> it may be that there is a zshrc (possibly system-wide) on other systems which is binding it for you
20:41:22 <RhodiumToad> or someone's patched the zsh defaults
20:42:03 <RhodiumToad> what do you want the keys to do?
20:46:52 <gp5st_> RhodiumToad, go to the begining and end of the current line. It's not a huge deal; I mostly use ^a and ^e anyway
20:50:24 <bleb> I've got a 12 gen intel nuc laptop, and I can't get audio to work properly in linux (I have to disable the mic via a kernel option)  -- do you think it's worth trying freebsd solely for audio support?
20:51:22 <RhodiumToad> why not
20:57:14 <bleb> would you recommend I try 13.2 or 14.0
20:57:25 <bleb> and is it weird that this page has a download for 15.0 but not 14.0? https://www.freebsd.org/where/
20:57:27 <VimDiesel> Title: Get FreeBSD | The FreeBSD Project
20:57:45 <RhodiumToad> 14.0 isn't out yet
20:58:11 <bleb> what's 15.0
20:58:24 <RhodiumToad> there's a download for 15-current as a development snapshot only
20:58:55 <RhodiumToad> 15.0-current is the tip of the main development branch
20:59:09 <bleb> ok
20:59:10 <RhodiumToad> 14.0 is in beta at the moment
20:59:14 <bleb> I'll try 13.2 then
20:59:40 <RhodiumToad> good choice
21:18:02 <telgareith> _xor: It's having issues talking to a S3 provider. I think It's a bug in the new version.
21:18:28 <telgareith> and yea, file says static linking
21:28:15 <skeemer> hello everyone i have been using netbsd for months and was wondering what are the major differences between netbsd and freebsd... what do you people think?
21:35:56 <_xor> RhodiumToad: Have you noticed any unexpected side-effects when using a build that has WITHOUT_SENDMAIL=yes?
21:36:33 <_xor> RhodiumToad: I was thinking about doing that, but since it's so old I was wondering how much stuff assumes it's there and it could potentially break.
21:44:29 <RhodiumToad> now that we have dma, if you build WITHOUT_SENDMAIL then everything gets set up for dma by default
21:45:06 <RhodiumToad> thanks to mailwrapper, programs that expect /usr/sbin/sendmail to exist still work
21:45:25 <_xor> Oh nice, totally forgot about dma and never looked into it after I first heard about it.
21:46:36 <RhodiumToad> I was using WITHOUT_SENDMAIL before dma was added, so I was actually surprised when mail started working by default on fresh builds (i.e. before I got around to installing exim from ports)
21:47:19 <_xor> Oh you mean when dma was eventually added, not that it started working after you excluded sendmail but before dma was added.
21:47:25 <_xor> Was confused for a second there lol.
21:47:49 <RhodiumToad> right, it used to be that WITHOUT_SENDMAIL meant you had no working mail until you installed some mta port
21:48:50 <RhodiumToad> (and configured mailer.conf to use it)
21:49:09 <RhodiumToad> but now, you get a mailer.conf that points to dma by default
21:54:45 <Jaffo> I could use some help fixing my problem if anyone is up for it
22:05:15 * RhodiumToad knows nothing of pfsense
22:07:53 <Jaffo> the error is a bsd error isn't it ?
22:08:26 <Jaffo> i need to fix the pkg manager or the file its referring to
22:08:29 <RhodiumToad> you're trying to run a program linked to libssl 3.0 on a system that doesn't have that library
22:08:41 <RhodiumToad> what did you do?
22:09:23 <Jaffo> i followd instructions for installing netdata and apparently it was 'outdated' so i need to fix it all i did was run the command on that page
22:09:37 <Jaffo> https://learn.netdata.cloud/docs/installing/pfsense
22:09:38 <VimDiesel> Title: Install Netdata on pfSense CE | Learn Netdata
22:10:02 <Jaffo> and when i pasted the whole list of pkg install *** at the end got the error
22:11:24 <RhodiumToad> what freebsd pkg repo did you configure
22:11:47 <RhodiumToad> specifically what url is in /etc/pkg/FreeBSD.conf or /usr/local/etc/pkg/repos/FreeBSD.conf
22:13:44 <Jaffo> it shows  url: "pkg+http://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/latest",
22:13:49 <Jaffo> in pfsense you just turn FreeBSD from 'off' to 'on' to enable that
22:15:06 <RhodiumToad> readelf -a /usr/bin/uname | grep ABI
22:15:55 <Jaffo> no readelf
22:16:00 <Jaffo> command not found
22:20:28 <RhodiumToad> can you run  pkg-static config abi
22:20:51 <Jaffo> pkg* ie anything results in ld-elf.so.1: Shared object "libssl.so.30" not found, required by "pkg"
22:21:04 <RhodiumToad> pkg-static can't give that error
22:21:35 <Jaffo> sorry that one did work FreeBSD:14:amd64
22:22:13 <RhodiumToad> ls -l /usr/lib/libssl*
22:22:54 <RhodiumToad> and  uname -a
22:23:30 <Jaffo> https://pastebin.com/NhYdxN3P
22:23:31 <VimDiesel> Title: -r--r--r-- 1 root wheel 3366876 Jun 27 23:48 /usr/lib/libssl.alrwxr-xr-x 1 - Pastebin.com
22:25:31 <Jaffo> sorry https://pastebin.com/CY7DCJif
22:25:32 <VimDiesel> Title: [23.05.1-RELEASE][root@pfSense]/root: ls -l /usr/lib/libssl*-r--r--r-- 1 root - Pastebin.com
22:25:51 <rtprio> i had this when i botched a makeworld
22:26:22 <RhodiumToad> ok. so what this is is that this pfsense install is a build of 14-current from before the openssl 3 cutover
22:26:50 <RhodiumToad> so when you try and use freebsd-14 packages, they break because of the wrong openssl version
22:27:06 <RhodiumToad> you will need to reinstall the version of pkg from the pfsense repo
23:56:32 <mmlj4> I have an RPI 4. X works, but I have only 592x448 resolution available (I'm running xfce, that's what the display config is telling me
23:56:58 <mmlj4> is there a specific driver I'm supposed to use? firmware perhaps?
23:59:51 <RhodiumToad> that's in framebuffer mode?