00:17:03 <yuripv> mailing lists are nice
00:31:38 <polyex> can the firecracker vm run on a freebsd host? or does it only support freebsd guest
00:55:49 <FUZxxl> meena: not related to my work, as the issue dates back to 2018
00:55:58 <FUZxxl> I have no idea what their problem is
02:17:04 <polyex> can the firecracker vm run on a freebsd host? or does it only support freebsd guest
02:36:09 <visl> polyex: i think it's linux host only so freebsd guest only
02:50:28 <polyex> crap, ty
03:15:30 <_xor> What does `-S srcpath` do exactly for `poudriere jail -c ...`? (compared to `-m src=/src/path`)
03:16:20 <_xor> I mean obviously they're two different things seeing as how -m has a bunch of different transport mechanisms for fetching obtaining files, but "Specify a path to the source tree to be used" for -S isn't super descriptive :/
06:07:11 <pmb> i am looking for a lightweight backup system, bacula is to much for this, I am thinking rsync with scripts.... any other ideas?
06:09:05 <pmb> actually they are the only two that I know, so I am looking for alternate ideas that may have been introduced in the last 20 years :p
10:41:59 <Soni> what stops someone from using 464XLAT on an ipv6-only kernel?
11:06:35 <vxwarlock> freebsd default arp cache time 1200 a little more if you want to change > echo 'net.link.ether.inet.max_age=300' >> /etc/sysctl.conf
11:06:43 <vxwarlock> if you check your configuration
11:07:00 <vxwarlock> sysctl -a | grep net.link.ether.inet.max_age
11:07:27 <meena> sysctl net.link.ether.inet.max_age
11:07:35 <vxwarlock> It can be useful if you are building a tunnel.
11:09:24 <vxwarlock> meena > you're right | Your way is better..
11:09:47 <meena> Soni: tentatively, I would say: nothing
11:16:25 <meena> now this is really cool, https://freshbsd.org/freebsd/src/commit/c531c1d1462c45f7ce5de4f9913226801f3073bd
11:16:26 <VimDiesel> Title: FreeBSD / src / c531c1d / pf: Convert PF_DEFAULT_TO_DROP into a vnet loader tunable 'net.pf.default_to_drop' - FreshBSD
11:24:18 <vxwarlock> meena  > freebsd ping command doesn't support -I command
11:24:39 <vxwarlock> Is this true?
11:25:01 <RhodiumToad> did you try it?
11:25:04 <meena> vxwarlock: mine does, or at least claim it does.
11:25:53 <RhodiumToad> however, "This flag applies only if the ping target is a multicast address." (or for ipv6, "This flag applies if the ping target is a multicast address, or link-local/site-local unicast address."
11:26:25 <RhodiumToad> (since in all other cases, the interface the packet goes out on is determined by routing)
11:33:30 <vxwarlock> hmm
11:47:50 <Soni> is there a way to inspect IPv6 RAs from userspace?
13:13:21 <KingShark> Hi. https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/how-to-do-a-full-system-backup-of-freebsd-so-i-can-boot-from-it-if-my-current-system-fails.76474/ is that still how to prepare a recovery should my system fail?
13:13:22 <VimDiesel> Title: How to do a full system backup of freebsd so i can boot from it if my current system fails | The FreeBSD Forums
13:16:16 <RhodiumToad> are you using zfs or not?
13:27:28 <KingShark> yes i do
13:27:40 <KingShark> is it better to take snapshots of everything?
13:28:24 <KingShark> but i dont have a zfs system elsewhere to receive the snapshots properly
13:28:37 <KingShark> and i read writing them to a file has considerable risks of corruption and i would never know before i need it
13:30:03 <KingShark> what i would like to be prepared for is a situation where the system refuses to boot at all, there is no easy fix and i would have to reinstall
13:36:58 <RhodiumToad> what I would do in that case is to make a bootable restore disk, and (either on the same or separate disks) backups of the root pool done with zfs send or whatever
13:38:29 <KingShark> then reinstall, create zfspools and restore their snapshots?
13:38:57 <KingShark> or what do you mean by the bootable restore disk?
13:40:45 <RhodiumToad> a bootable disk with enough on it to create partitions and zpools - an install disk will do
13:41:24 <RhodiumToad> and rather than reinstalling as such, just make new partitions and zpools and restore the old data
13:42:05 <KingShark> doesnt zfs receive need its own zfs pool which needs its own disk (or at least, thats recommended)?
13:42:15 <KingShark> can zfs pool coexist on one disk?
13:43:48 <RhodiumToad> zfs send can write to a file, no?
13:43:54 <CmdLnKid> yo @channel "not important" just curious why this is in /etc/termcap. line 103 from (cat -v /etc/termcap |nl |less) shows ^L character. just curious how this got here or if it has some special meaning. currently im on 13.2-STABLE
13:44:09 <RhodiumToad> ^L is a page break
13:44:55 <CmdLnKid> was sorta thinking that but couldn't relate it to why it would be here
13:45:06 <KingShark> it can but i read its not recommended to do snapshots to files because of corruption risks and not being able to notice before trying to failing restore
13:45:16 <CmdLnKid> as it appears multiple times similiarly
13:45:19 <RhodiumToad> it has no semantic meaning in the file, it's just there for convenience to divide up the file into sections
13:45:46 <CmdLnKid> moreso formatting. cool thanks man
13:46:41 <CmdLnKid> randomly opened it up in vim and with my formatting noticed it like well thats odd
13:46:54 <CmdLnKid> was looking for vt400 support
13:47:17 * CmdLnKid currently working with openvms x86 
14:02:05 <meena> CmdLnKid: whoot
14:03:30 <CmdLnKid> yeehaw!
14:06:22 <RhodiumToad> that vt420 entry looks like a translation from terminfo
14:06:54 <RhodiumToad> when pruning down termcap entries to 1024 bytes, you can do a lot better than the ncurses tools do
14:08:17 <RhodiumToad> for example, RI is sometimes useful, but DO,LE,UP can be dropped with no real penalty since cm works just as well
14:09:06 <CmdLnKid> don't know how much exposure termcap has had lately but maybe it could use some more
14:09:23 <RhodiumToad> almost nobody cares about any entries except xterm and maybe ansi
14:10:29 <RhodiumToad> I handwrote my own xterm (and screen/tmux) entries to get more function keys by pruning out other cruft
14:10:30 <CmdLnKid> it'd be nice to see some older programs get some more support. now that i have some more exposure to some older os's and progs
14:11:38 <CmdLnKid> i essentially copied over termcap from 13.2-STABLE today just to get the entries
14:11:52 <CmdLnKid> to a macos system
14:12:12 <CmdLnKid> makes me feel really old
14:12:40 <RhodiumToad> back when I did commercial unix stuff I had to write a couple of terminfo entries
14:13:54 <RhodiumToad> (I once got an actual bug report that said "the terminal screen stops updating if you hit the STOP key")
14:15:12 <CmdLnKid> hahaha
14:15:15 <RhodiumToad> (I think someone suggested to them that they pry off the keycap or something, it was a hardwired function in the terminal that couldn't be configured)
14:15:35 <CmdLnKid> can't say ive had that happen
14:17:04 <CmdLnKid> can say ive been inquired about a few times for my non-good-usage of custom termcap entries just to get around a few terminal bugs
14:17:16 <CmdLnKid> think i was fired that day
14:18:25 <CmdLnKid> when peoples payroll changes by one zero ... shareholders get all testy
14:19:51 <CmdLnKid> turns out they get that way when unannounced enforced password changes to accounts [admin and finance] happen too
14:44:07 <Freaky> meena: just tried patching on ifuncs on PHP, seems fine, and addslashes() got 5x faster
14:44:40 <meena> Freaky: i, otoh, just noticed my kernel crashed yesterday night (and it wasn't my fault)
14:44:44 <Freaky> meena: ironically this only works on other platforms because they apparently get lucky with undefined behaviour in another check
14:45:16 <Freaky> meena: see, if we just rewrote everything in Rust...
14:45:51 <meena> i love accidentally working undefined behaviour
14:46:34 <Freaky> where's that xkcd with the vast pile of stuff supported only by a single thin brick
14:47:53 <Freaky> https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=274011 patch there for lang/php81 if anyone's feeling brave
14:47:56 <VimDiesel> Title: 274011 – lang/php83: ifunc support is disabled
14:52:39 <meena> Freaky: how much work would it be to recreate PHP in Rust? i feel like al the inconsistencies would go terribly against rust's grain
14:52:52 <jgh> Freaky: https://xkcd.com/2347/
14:52:52 <VimDiesel> Title: xkcd: Dependency
14:56:01 <Freaky> meena: I'm sure it couldn't take more than a couple of weeks
14:58:01 <meena> Freaky: my virtio project was supposed to be a weekend project.
14:59:39 <yuripv> what the project is about?
15:36:50 <paulf> most projects are cans of worms
15:48:15 <angry_vincent> indeed
16:20:24 <dch> Freaky: https://github.com/bragful/ephp
16:20:25 <VimDiesel> Title: GitHub - bragful/ephp: Bragful core: PHP Interpreter in pure Erlang
16:23:04 <meena> yuripv: in theory, the project is about cloud-init, but one of the things on the list was to get it integrated into the cloud-init test suite. which means getting it running under LXD, properly, which requires virtio vsock, which, luckily, I'm not the only one who cares about, also FIRECRACKER
17:04:55 <markmcb> i see beta3 has landed ... is there a changelog between betas?
17:09:15 <yuripv> markmcb: you'll need to wait for official announcement which will list the changes; e.g. for beta2: https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current/2023-September/004685.html
17:09:16 <VimDiesel> Title: FreeBSD 14.0-BETA2 Now Available
17:09:39 <yuripv> ("A summary of changes since 14.0-BETA1 includes:")
17:11:35 <markmcb> yuripv: thanks!
17:30:24 <LxGHTNxNG> cheapbsd
18:29:25 <signalblue> FreeBSD 13.2 RELEASE P1 still doesn't work well with WireGuard
18:29:39 <signalblue> really really hope 14 RELEASE is better at this
18:29:47 <signalblue> right now it's unusable
19:48:48 <BillyJoeBob> Hello, all
19:59:48 <tmtt> Hi! I'm trying to setup IPv6 on my dedicated FreeBSD (13.2) server, hosted on OneProvider. After asking for a /64 IPv6 block, they gave me one, but I'm confused as to how to "link" one primary IPv6 that's reachable and pingable to the outside world (and keep the rest of the /64 block for later use). I've seen some articles about IPv6 setup, but they're either outdaded or using DHCP. I use PF as my firewall (which blocks all incoming tra
19:59:48 <tmtt> ffic and enables some ports and some IPv4 ICMP sequences). Thanks a lot in advance :)
20:00:36 <tmtt> Oh, and OneProvider didn't bother giving me a gateway or something like that. I only have a IPv6 range that's assigned to my server and a DUID (which I think is used for DHCPv6 configuration).
20:08:47 <DrKK`> tmtt: From your lips to God's ears
20:09:05 <DrKK`> I can't figure out how to use IPv6, myself.  lol
20:09:41 <tmtt> lol
20:10:06 <DrKK`> the farthest I've gotten, is my ISP will assign me a gigantic block via DHCPv6
20:10:15 <DrKK`> but I can't get that to do anything useful from that point
20:10:20 <DrKK`> no matter how many things I reference online
20:10:38 <DrKK`> since I don't need to care about IPv6,
20:10:41 <DrKK`> I gave up after 2 hours.
20:10:43 <DrKK`> and here we are.
20:10:52 <tmtt> My ISP won't even acknowledge the existence of IPv6
20:11:06 <DrKK`> mine does (Verizon FiOS, Baltimore)
20:11:09 <DrKK`> for about a year
20:31:04 <polyex> can bhyve run linux guests?
20:33:36 <thedaemon> yes polyex
20:36:32 <rtprio> tmtt: there are a couple of ways of doing it
20:36:52 <tmtt> rtprio: what's the simplest? :)
20:40:37 <rtprio> they're about the same; i use rtadvd
20:41:43 <rtprio> the config is two or three lines
20:42:45 <tmtt> rtprio: Isn't rtadvd used for IPv6 routers?
20:43:35 <tmtt> If so, I just want to make my server accessible to one of the IPv6 I was allowed to use without much hassle, not making a router for my LAN
20:43:35 <rtprio> does your router not have an ipv6 address?
20:44:22 <rtprio> if they gave you a block, you'll _probably_ have to route it. my last isp gave one ipv6 address for the router and then the /56
20:49:29 <bluedartfrog> Hello
20:49:31 <tmtt> rtprio: Oh, no, it's not a home server, it's a dedicated server I rent at a server hosting provider, like Vultr or Linode
20:50:01 <bluedartfrog> I live in my parents basement
20:50:11 <tmtt> rtprio: I don't know how they handle their DHCP(v6) configuration at all
20:51:13 <rtprio> i've only run dhcpv6 as a client, on a couple of cloud boxes; i've never set it up
20:51:50 <rtprio> what does the duid look like?
20:52:13 <tmtt> No I don't want to set a DHCPv6 server either, I simply want to make my server available to some IPv6
20:52:23 <tmtt> 2s
20:52:51 <rtprio> well, you can give your server one of the address in your /64 but i don't think it will work
20:53:28 <tmtt> Yeah, that's what I thought I'd do, but I have no idea on how to assign one to my network configuration lol
20:53:41 <tmtt> DUIDs aren't private, right?
20:53:50 <meena> one down, https://github.com/lichray/nvi2/pull/121 12 to go: https://gist.github.com/igalic/87b4422dc6c6b18b7e212749694cfef1
20:53:51 <VimDiesel> Title: fix last left-over K&R function declaration by igalic · Pull Request #121 · lichray/nvi2 · GitHub
20:56:16 <tmtt> rtprio: and yeah, they gave me a DUID, with instructions on how to use it on Linux but not on FreeBSD and I couldn't find much info on this for FreeBSD
20:58:38 <rtprio> as i understand it identifies your device on their network, but i suspect you're still going to need dhcpdv6 on your router
21:03:02 <polyex> thedaemon cool ty! can bhyve run ANY linux as a guest or only some?
21:03:45 <meena> polyex: bhyve should be able to run any linux. It's a virtualization platform.
21:04:18 <meena> The Linux stuff we can only run in jails is a lot more restricted.
21:04:45 <polyex> ahhhh
21:04:50 <polyex> nice!
21:34:31 <thedaemon> Anyone know if BETA3 build has dropped yet?
21:34:41 <thedaemon> Supposed to be today if schedule goes well.
21:34:53 <meena> thedaemon: it'll drop when there's an announce email
21:35:09 <thedaemon> is that in a particular mailing list meena ?
21:35:29 <thedaemon> I have digest turned on for muh mailing lists.
21:35:47 <rtprio> freebsd-current
21:36:01 <thedaemon> gracias rtprio I'll verify I'm in it :)
21:36:18 <rtprio> (i'm pretty sure)
21:37:40 <meena> it's also on freebsd-stable@
21:39:41 <meena> I'm surprised it's not on announce@ but i guess that's really for releases and security issues
21:40:02 <thedaemon> yeah I was looking at announce but saw security issues
21:41:24 <thedaemon> freebsd-current & freebsd-snapshots
21:41:33 <thedaemon> I should have read the Release page fully
22:13:51 <polyex> 14 shaping up nice? only used 13 so far
22:45:19 <spine-o-saurus> hay when i try login via lightdm it says no session?
22:45:50 <spine-o-saurus> it doesn't even list fluxbox as an option under the dropdown from top right corner
22:47:16 <spine-o-saurus> also when i get into fluxbox without the lightdm and lauch kvirc it keeps saying i need to find the installation settings under ~/.config, but i already set that up previously
22:51:22 <spine-o-saurus> also, not sure if it is related, but even before all that when i was at desktop session and logged off back to tty the keyboard was not responding properly, like the 'a' key was mapped to enter and 'p' was mapped to the up arrow?
22:52:11 <spine-o-saurus> i eventually got out of that by alt+switching tty's
22:52:25 <spine-o-saurus> that was some weird shit
23:06:31 <yuripv> markmcb: in case you are not subscribed, https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current/2023-September/004736.html
23:06:32 <VimDiesel> Title: FreeBSD 14.0-BETA3 Now Available
23:42:09 <polyex> 14 shaping up nice? only used 13 so far