01:47:24 <markmcb> is there any way to do a one-time reboot without supplying a passphrase for geli-encrypted an OS disk? like where it issues a single use key? would be nice to do something like "reboot --autodecrypt"
02:04:31 <kevans> yuripv: not ignoring your question (re: localedef), just trying to find the right words
02:35:56 <kevans> actually, there's an easy way to do this
04:21:16 <nimaje> BillyJoeBob: the default is to use /compat/linux/ for the linux libs, there is some sysctl, so either you change that to /compat/ubuntu/ or you move your /compat/ubuntu/ to /compat/linux/
08:28:10 <bsdbandit01_> good morning everyone
08:29:56 <bsdbandit01_> i finally got suspend/resume to work on freebsd but when i resume my wifi does not work until i reboot my machine has anyone ran into this issue and if so what did they do to get around it
08:32:44 <RhodiumToad> have you tried resetting the interface?
08:32:45 <nero> script something to disable the problematic hardware before suspend and re-enable it after suspend
08:33:33 <nero> its always the networking hardware that causes this kind of troubles...
09:42:25 <tercaL> Anyone using Pot (jail management tool) under FreeBSD? I cannot find jail startup sequence configuration in it. Any idea would be much appreciated.
09:43:04 <tercaL> With raw, home-made Jails, I had jail_list="sqljail phpjail webjail" and jail_reverse_stop="YES" in my rc.conf, however how to configure these in Pot?
10:25:26 <Demosthenex> ok, so i use zrepl locally on my laptop, and zrepl locally on my home server. i want to start copying my laptop with it's local snapshots fully to the server. anyone seen an example configuration?
11:06:14 <tercaL> any idea?
11:43:25 <Demosthenex> tercaL: i'm using bastille. haven't tried pot. maybe read it's rc script?
12:05:40 <siix_office> i'm trying to get my head around pf syntax and routing. if i want a bsd router to establish a tunnel and use it as the upstream gateway, how would i masquerade traffic using pf?   em0: upstream, em1: LAN to be nat'ed, tun0: tunnel over em0
12:06:17 <siix_office> happy to pastebin additional info if needed. thanks
12:07:05 <siix_office> the other end of the tunnel knows nothing about the network on this side, so masquerading is required
12:16:09 <frafusco> Hello. I am having problems with my install
12:16:44 <frafusco> When I try to install pkg
12:17:04 <frafusco> It says these errors:
12:19:48 <frafusco> Here is the entire input
12:19:53 <frafusco> pkg install pkg
12:19:53 <frafusco> The package management tool is not yet installed on your system.
12:19:54 <frafusco> Do you want to fetch and install it now? [y/N]: y
12:19:54 <frafusco> Bootstrapping pkg from http://pkg.freebsd.org/freebsd:11:armv6/latest/, please wait...
12:19:55 <frafusco> pkg: Error fetching http://pkg.freebsd.org/freebsd:11:armv6/latest//Latest/pkg.txz: Not Found
12:19:55 <frafusco> A pre-built version of pkg could not be found for your system.
12:19:56 <frafusco> Consider changing PACKAGESITE or installing it from ports: 'ports-mgmt/pkg'.
12:20:37 <CmdLnKid> maybe pkg install ports-mgmt/pkg
12:20:49 <frafusco> Same error
12:21:13 <CmdLnKid> got ports installed ?
12:21:22 <CmdLnKid> cd /usr/ports/ports-mgmt/pkg
12:21:25 <CmdLnKid> make install
12:21:41 <frafusco> No ports
12:21:57 <bapt> freebsd 11 is unsupported so no packages
12:22:08 <CmdLnKid> aaaah
12:22:13 <bapt> I am not even sure there was some armv6 packages at all for freebsd 11
12:22:15 <CmdLnKid> i missed that part
12:22:48 <CmdLnKid> time to install ports man
12:22:49 <bapt> freebsd 11 EOLed in september 2021!
12:23:00 <bapt> and ports from that time
12:23:15 <frafusco> Got another machine with the same error with bsd 13 but with a different sentence: instead of not found it says Host does not resove
12:23:34 <RhodiumToad> that probably means you don't have dns set up correctly?
12:23:50 <frafusco> How do I do that
12:24:00 <frafusco> I have ethernet attached
12:25:26 <RhodiumToad> static network addresses or dhcp?
12:25:39 <frafusco> Dhcp
12:26:07 <RhodiumToad> did the dhcp server provide a nameserver address? if so, it'll be in /etc/resolv.conf
12:26:14 <frafusco> No
12:26:29 <RhodiumToad> is anything in /etc/resolv.conf?
12:26:43 <frafusco> Let me check
12:26:46 <RhodiumToad> and if not, have you configured local-unbound or some other local dns resolver?
12:27:22 <frafusco> No name In resolv.conf
12:27:47 <frafusco> I did not
12:28:04 <frafusco> The installation did everything
12:29:21 <frafusco> Also how do I set the layout?
12:30:56 <RhodiumToad> layout of what?
12:31:26 <frafusco> Keyboard
12:31:55 <RhodiumToad> in the installer, there's an option to set nameserver addresses, and another one to enable local-unbound, I assume you set neither
12:32:00 <CmdLnKid> these are some basic questions answered by the handbook
12:32:39 <frafusco> Thanks
12:33:21 <RhodiumToad> if you're talking about the text console and not X, then use kbdcontrol to set the keyboard layout; you can do it automatically on boot with keymap="whatever" in /etc/rc.conf
12:34:13 <frafusco> Also i have noticed that when I try to install freebsd on another network, it shows the name
12:34:19 <RhodiumToad> to get dns working, you either need to set up and run local-unbound or put some nameserver IPs in /etc/resolv.conf
12:34:28 <RhodiumToad> shows what name?
12:35:10 <frafusco> The one missing you were talking about
12:35:13 <RhodiumToad> if you're using dhcp and the dhcp server provides nameserver IPs, those will get written to resolv.conf while the connection is up
12:35:36 <frafusco> Permission denied
12:36:21 <CmdLnKid> add ... "nameserver 1.1.1.1" to resolv.conf
12:36:24 <frafusco> Error:can't find sockey: permission denied for ::1 port 53
12:36:30 <CmdLnKid> after ping freebsd.org
12:36:33 <frafusco> Socket
12:36:59 <frafusco> How do I edit it?
12:37:05 <CmdLnKid> im out
12:37:10 <frafusco> XD
12:37:15 <frafusco> Joking
12:37:34 <CmdLnKid> not so sure about that at this point
12:37:57 <frafusco> ee
12:38:26 <frafusco> I'm not that noob in freebsd
12:38:55 <CmdLnKid> .... so there was no point in asking
12:39:11 <frafusco> Nameserver is set at 127.0.0.1
12:41:22 <RhodiumToad> is that the only entry in resolv.conf?
12:41:36 <frafusco> No
12:42:06 <RhodiumToad> then what else is there
12:42:45 <frafusco> Options edsn0
12:43:40 <paulf> what is on the other end of the ethernet cable?
12:44:03 <CmdLnKid> an apple
12:44:13 <frafusco1> back
12:44:42 <CmdLnKid> wait sorry thats italy ... that would be a grape
12:45:08 <frafusco1> ??
12:48:01 <frafusco1> oh wait
12:48:01 <frafusco1> su does not work
12:48:44 <frafusco1> su: Sorry
12:48:58 <CmdLnKid> you are not part of wheel
12:49:10 <frafusco1> how can i be part of it
12:49:20 <CmdLnKid> again covered in the handbook. at least it used to be
12:49:28 <frafusco1> it used to be
12:49:45 <frafusco1> (I really suck at BSD btw)
12:50:05 <CmdLnKid> na. you are just uninformed.
12:50:11 <CmdLnKid> take your time
12:50:49 <CmdLnKid> print out the handbook kick back and read my friend
12:51:28 <CmdLnKid> knowledge only comes with time and patience
12:51:56 <CmdLnKid> don't forget repetition
12:52:32 <frafusco1> "patience"
12:53:08 <CmdLnKid> yea yea i had no patience for repetition with spelling in some cases
12:53:16 <frafusco1> with 2GB ram, a trashy processor and the battery going off every 3 seconds patiente is assured!
12:53:35 <frafusco1> even my GNU Guix thinkpad T420 has better specs
12:53:46 <CmdLnKid> yikes
12:54:25 <frafusco1> do you also use linux?
12:54:44 <CmdLnKid> when i first installed FreeBSD on a dell back in 2001 i did it probably close to 20 times
12:54:56 <CmdLnKid> slackware since '94
12:55:36 <CmdLnKid> after that every other linux flavor came naturally
12:55:46 <frafusco1> wow!
12:56:01 <CmdLnKid> did i misspell that
12:56:10 <meena> https://igalic.co/thoughts/2017-09-06-ops2dev.html#missing-dev-tools
12:56:10 <frafusco1> yes
12:56:11 <VimDiesel> Title: Mina Galić - Ops to Dev
12:56:25 <frafusco1> what are you referring to linux is in fact GNU/Linux
12:56:30 <CmdLnKid> don't mind the spelling its been a long night with 30 minutes of sleep
12:56:33 <meena> re repetition and stuff
12:57:26 <CmdLnKid> just take it as it sounds
12:57:39 <frafusco1> ok "linux" user
12:57:57 <CmdLnKid> its been a toy since 2001
12:58:28 <frafusco1> slackware has too old packages for me
12:58:38 <frafusco1> how can you work with it?
12:59:08 <CmdLnKid> thats just plain ole bs
12:59:21 <Demosthenex> i started on slackware in '95. was alright ;]
12:59:26 <frafusco1> oh
13:00:04 <CmdLnKid> i went to -current for the latest and greatest about 2 years after i started
13:00:14 <frafusco1> it got so much worse
13:00:28 <frafusco1> now the iso includes ALL the major desktop environments
13:00:28 <CmdLnKid> that combined with slackpkg i built my own for whatever i needed
13:00:44 <Demosthenex> frafusco1: yep. linux has progressively sucked more and more, i moved to freebsd just over a year ago, what a refreshing change.
13:00:57 <CmdLnKid> demosthenex, ikr
13:01:02 <frafusco1> i am planning to use it togheter with BSD
13:01:26 <Demosthenex> CmdLnKid: they are determined to make it windoze 2.0, where i want a UNIX workstation and open server.
13:01:32 <frafusco1> maybe install the guix package manager on BSD
13:01:37 * meena can use almost why Unix, but struggled severely with mac OS
13:01:50 <frafusco1> is that possible?
13:02:19 <frafusco1> Demsothenex is has become unbearable
13:02:39 <Ronis_BR> Hi! Can I use bastille safely to export a running container or should I stop it first?
13:02:46 <CmdLnKid> no guix in ports
13:02:46 <frafusco1> Demosthenex*
13:02:58 <frafusco1> no way to compile it from source?
13:03:03 <CmdLnKid> and thats where packages originate
13:03:20 <frafusco1> ok how do i do that?
13:03:22 <CmdLnKid> why couldn't you
13:03:32 <Demosthenex> on the surface guix sounds neat, but... i'm not confident in the implementation, nor do i want to bolt it onto fbsd
13:03:48 <Demosthenex> i find i worry much less about packages now that i'm on fbsd
13:04:00 <CmdLnKid> no need when the command line is simple enough
13:04:08 <Demosthenex> the separation between OS and packages is brilliant
13:04:40 <CmdLnKid> i dunno about brilliant but surely was a solid thought
13:04:55 <frafusco1> maybe with debian/kFreeBSD?
13:05:05 <CmdLnKid> oh gawd don't go there
13:05:18 <Demosthenex> Ronis_BR: "export"?
13:06:23 <Ronis_BR> Demosthenex: I think it uses zfs send
13:07:55 <Demosthenex> Ronis_BR: most things you have to stop in order to copy/clone accurately, so i'd imagine you have to stop it unless explicitly documented otherwise
13:08:08 <Ronis_BR> thanks!
13:08:28 <Demosthenex> https://bastille.readthedocs.io/en/latest/chapters/subcommands/export.html
13:08:30 <VimDiesel> Title: export — Bastille 0.10.20230714-beta documentation
13:09:01 <Demosthenex> so, that's not clear on what the output is (a tarball?), but ZFS can do online. who knows about your appdata
13:09:26 <Ronis_BR> Demosthenex: I got confused by that text. It says UFS must not be running, which seems that ZFS can.
13:10:14 <frafusco1> why not?
13:10:25 <CmdLnKid> your safe measure would be to shutdown in any circumstance for a proper backup/export etc.. as a snapshot etc will not save you running memory
13:10:45 <frafusco1> oh
13:10:56 <CmdLnKid> without a shutdown things may not flush to disk
13:11:13 <frafusco1> back to the problem i selected to install portswith the installer
13:11:15 <CmdLnKid> that would be called saving state
13:11:32 <frafusco1> but when i booted it says ports command not found
13:11:42 <CmdLnKid> frafusco1, you'll be looking for portsnap in the docs
13:12:07 <frafusco1> ok so can install pkg from there?
13:12:28 <CmdLnKid> ofcourse you could do it with git but i feel like that is a little more advanced than what you are ready for
13:12:40 <RhodiumToad> portsnap is deprecated
13:12:55 <frafusco1> i can use git
13:13:00 <CmdLnKid> what was it replaced with ? i must have not been there for that
13:13:18 <frafusco1> ok so how can i install it?
13:13:31 <RhodiumToad> how do you expect to download anything with no working dns?
13:13:51 <frafusco1> whait i just noticed that i have a cursor
13:14:04 <Demosthenex> Ronis_BR: yeah, at first glance it sounds like it takes a ZFS snapshot and tarballs that. again, running services may be inconsistent in the export if it's running
13:14:27 <frafusco1> that means that i have at least 1 x dependency installed
13:14:28 <CmdLnKid> oh lord he discovered a cursor
13:15:10 <RhodiumToad> why does it mean that?
13:15:15 <frafusco1> =#
13:15:21 <frafusco1> xcursor
13:15:58 <frafusco1> that surely works on UNIX
13:16:19 <RhodiumToad> ...what
13:16:22 <CmdLnKid> lol
13:16:30 <frafusco1> yeah
13:16:34 <CmdLnKid> this is BSD foo
13:16:50 <CmdLnKid> in my best mr t voice
13:17:24 <frafusco1> ok so the cursor has 0 dependencies on x?
13:17:32 <frafusco1> also why is it installed
13:17:40 <CmdLnKid> to many to list
13:17:59 <RhodiumToad> there is a mouse cursor on the text console, but iirc only if you enabled moused (which is part of the base system)
13:19:01 <CmdLnKid> git clone ssh://anongit⊙gFo/ports.git
13:19:02 <frafusco1> systemd?
13:19:11 <RhodiumToad> there is no systemd
13:19:19 <CmdLnKid> remove your current /usr/ports directory first
13:19:22 <frafusco1> no git found (lol)
13:19:40 <RhodiumToad> there is no git in the base system, you can't use it to get the ports tree for a fresh install
13:19:48 <frafusco1> i wasn't expecting to be there by default
13:20:03 <RhodiumToad> but this is all futile until you have working dns
13:20:04 <Demosthenex> frafusco1: no systemd? you're welcome.
13:20:32 * CmdLnKid high fives demosthenex 
13:21:28 <frafusco1> ok what init then?
13:21:33 <Demosthenex> welcome to an OS that isn't infected.
13:21:34 <CmdLnKid> wuuut
13:21:39 <RhodiumToad> init is just init
13:22:01 <Demosthenex> frafusco1: init is more freebsd specific than you're used to, but it makes lots better sense ;]
13:22:13 <frafusco1> i've heard that systemd in in bsd
13:22:22 <RhodiumToad> you heard wrong
13:22:23 <CmdLnKid> you did not
13:22:24 <Demosthenex> am i allowed to swear here?
13:22:31 <frafusco1> no :)
13:22:53 <frafusco1> the famous BSD init scripts?
13:23:02 <Demosthenex> thank god pottering left redhat and hired on at micro$oft. he can go ruin another OS
13:23:06 <CmdLnKid> 13:22 Ignoring ALL from frafusco1 [ignore ends: 2023-09-05 13:52:44]
13:23:21 <CmdLnKid> i can't take this anymore
13:23:24 <frafusco1> oh :(
13:23:26 <Demosthenex> well, he's learning
13:23:44 <Demosthenex> study up /etc/rc.conf, you'll get it rapidly
13:24:07 <frafusco1> thank you
13:24:59 <frafusco1> well glad there is no systemd in there! GNU sheperd and BSD-style scripts revealed to be better
13:25:16 <Demosthenex> frankly, init should be as simple as possible to troubleshoot.
13:25:39 <Demosthenex> i just DGAF if a user has to wait 1 minute more during boot before they get GNOME, or watch ugly startup messages.
13:26:00 <frafusco1> 1 minute???
13:26:02 <frafusco1> that's crazy
13:26:02 <Demosthenex> fbsd's init could be a little dumber, but its ok ;] i don't often miss inittab
13:26:37 <frafusco1> whatching ugly startup messages isn't that bad
13:29:17 <Demosthenex> i want services to start sequentially, as long as they take :P
13:29:36 <Ronis_BR> Demosthenex: thanks!
13:29:45 <frafusco1> ...
13:30:29 <Demosthenex> frafusco1: premature optimization is the root of all debugging hell
13:31:10 <frafusco1> ok
13:31:27 <frafusco1> what about a plymouth theme that covers them?
13:32:18 <siix_office> to nat all packets from 192.168.56.0/24 going out over a wireguard interface, is this the correct rule?   nat on wg0 from 192.168.56.0/24 to any -> (wg0)
13:32:53 <siix_office> it look like it's exhausting the TTL for pings ...   ICMP time exceeded in-transit
13:33:22 <Demosthenex> frafusco1: nope.
13:33:32 <Demosthenex> frafusco1: gimme that glorious serial console look any day
13:35:14 <frafusco1> gtg
14:12:48 <kenrap> Welp, poettering wouldn't be able to ruin Windows. It's already ruined after 3 decades of technical debt and ugly spagetti code for backwards compatibility. ;P
14:14:21 <CmdLnKid> cant wait for the influx of smart clothing for all the new generations ... https://interestingengineering.com/science/us-govt-invests-22-million-in-smart-surveillance-clothing
14:14:22 <VimDiesel> Title: US govt. invests $22 million in smart surveillance clothing
14:14:26 <CmdLnKid> https://interestingengineering.com/science/us-govt-invests-22-million-in-smart-surveillance-clothing
14:14:57 <CmdLnKid> sorry to bring this up here but hoping its not powered by bsd
14:15:55 <llua> zzz
14:18:34 <CmdLnKid> although on the otherhand id like to control my bsd systems by voice through my UnderBSD
14:21:03 <kenrap> I'd probably configure my UnderBSD to disable the microphone and video first, and then setup a cron job during the winter to increase clothing temperature to keep me warm during the day.
14:22:12 <CmdLnKid> reminds me of how to make toast with the early docs in linux (or was it coffee")
14:22:12 <kenrap> and use the AC cooling function during the hellish heatwave seasons during the late summer.
14:23:00 <CmdLnKid> tha good ole days of serial ports on everything
14:24:01 <CmdLnKid> halt and catch fire
14:24:59 <CmdLnKid> "yeah i know serial ports did not have anything to do with that
14:25:30 <kenrap> Honestly, this is f***ed beyond belief. We already have Big Brother watching through our phones, IoT devices that connect to the internet, and through some desktop OSes, and now our clothes?
14:25:55 <CmdLnKid> Flock is a big concern
14:26:40 <CmdLnKid> these https://www.flocksafety.com/devices/lpr ... are on every major street corner lately
14:26:41 <VimDiesel> Title: LPR
14:26:52 <CmdLnKid> at least where i live
14:27:07 <CmdLnKid> and thats milwaukee, US
14:28:20 <CmdLnKid> MI is worse ATM
14:29:36 <CmdLnKid> anyway tho sorry for the off topic and not really meant for this channel more than a so called advertisement for self reasearch
14:29:43 <paulf> on the TV news yesterday evening, estimates that there are 40k cars in circulation with copied registration numbers (license plates)
14:30:15 <paulf> equally off topic
14:30:44 <CmdLnKid> yep. im interested in using freebsd systems to track these events now
14:30:56 <CmdLnKid> or if anyone has started
14:31:21 <CmdLnKid> cause this shits getting out of control
14:32:48 <CmdLnKid> intention of my message is purely to spur interaction with like efforts
14:33:54 <mason> There's #freebsd-social.
14:34:01 <mason> It exists for this.
14:34:24 <CmdLnKid> yeah probably a better place. thanks
14:35:37 <CmdLnKid> ending my involvment in this channel with ... post this to your license plate ... (not an advertisement) https://www.photoblocker.us/products/the-photoblocker-spray/
14:35:38 <VimDiesel> Title: No More Red Light Camera Tickets. Make Your Car Invisible To Police Speed Cameras With Our License Plate Cover, PhotoBlocker Spray, Radar Detectors, GPS, GPS Camera Detectors. Got A Traffic Ticket? Don’t Pay Yet. We Can Help Fight Your Speeding Citation and Win.
14:35:58 <CmdLnKid> --- END ---
15:05:00 <mason> Not sure why it was necessary to paste that in here.
15:08:43 <CmdLnKid> momennt of shock and current channel. what i use... FreeBSD and interested in using that in further efforts
15:09:30 <CmdLnKid> hence why i tried to appologize for the off topic nerve jerk behavior
16:34:37 <entikan> hello how can I get the forums to not demand javascript?
16:36:54 <entikan> I can't browse it in the terminal now :(
16:37:03 <entikan> but I need to because I don't have X yet
16:37:41 <entikan> really who even came up with this. It's not even that interactive -_-
16:46:21 <meena> hrm… that's the wrong side of the pipe… https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=273582 for tty(1) to tell
16:46:23 <VimDiesel> Title: 273582 – man: check if run in a pipe before invoking MANPAGER
19:50:57 <frafusco> Hello, after configuring the network and fixing all problems I got this error when trying to install pkg i got this error: pkg: failed to extract pkg-static: Failed to create dir '/usr/local/sbin'
19:52:14 <V_PauAmma_V> Did you run it as root?
20:28:27 <martinrame> Hi, I'm trying to add a nic alias in /etc/rc.conf. The original nic is: ifconfig_bge0="inet 192.168.100.245 netmask 255.255.255.0" and the alias ifconfig_bge0_alias0="inet 192.168.0.245 netmask 255.255.255.0". When I restart netif I get ifconfig: ioctl (SIOCDIFADDR): Can't assign requested address
20:28:40 <martinrame> Why I cannot add that alias?
21:08:18 <meena> martinrame: that's strange
21:12:41 <meena> cccccclvlvgrfijdlbedfbfriedbdgjjuivbffjlncvu
21:15:34 <signalblue> meena: what does that mean?
21:15:48 <meena> signalblue: that's me or something touching off my yubikey
21:16:08 <signalblue> no it's you
21:16:34 <isley> you can change your yubikey to longpress so it's harder to accidentally boop
21:17:02 <isley> i did it on my laptop because it was just too easy to hit the thing when i picked up the laptop
21:47:48 <meena> martinrame: does it work manually?
21:50:51 <R2AMO> meena, martinrame was moved offline
21:51:11 * meena is a bit slow