00:01:22 <_xor> Good point.
00:02:00 <RhodiumToad> fstat /dev/klog  (as root) should show it as open if it is
00:02:35 <_xor> Tried that, showed nada :/
00:04:00 <RhodiumToad> klog can be opened only once at a time, is it possible syslog-ng is trying to open it twice? ktrace would be useful
00:06:01 <_xor> You're probably right. It shows up with two pids in ps (due to fork, not two separate invocations).
00:06:39 <_xor> https://termbin.com/lhci
00:07:38 <_xor> I'm going to reboot here in a few minutes. If that doesn't fix it, I'll bust out ktrace (will try to read it myself first, but will probably end up needing help)...but I might have to add that to my TODO list, short on time currently and it's not a show-stopper.
00:08:18 <_xor> Waaaaaaaait a second
00:08:46 * _xor cat'ed /usr/local/etc/rc.d/syslog-ng
00:09:02 <_xor> if checkyesno syslog_ng_purgeklog; then start_precmd="echo \"Purging klog(9)\" && sysctl -w kern.msgbuf_clear=1"; fi
00:09:23 <_xor> Could that be a hint as to what it's expecting?
00:10:59 <RhodiumToad> that clears the kernel message buffer, it doesn't directly affect klog
00:11:07 <_xor> Umm, what did sysctl -w do? It says in the man page that it's "deprecated and is silently ignored", but nothing beyond that.
00:11:10 <_xor> oh
00:11:15 <RhodiumToad> -w = write
00:11:36 <RhodiumToad> sysctl name=value  implies a write so the -w is redundant
00:11:54 <_xor> Figured as much, but it makes me wonder if it's expecting a completely clear klog or something and throws a fit if there are pending messages.
00:12:00 <_xor> ah
00:12:07 <RhodiumToad> it shouldn't do
00:12:26 <RhodiumToad> besides, does that setting default to yes or no?
00:12:41 <_xor> "NO" apparently.
00:12:48 <RhodiumToad> well then
00:13:22 <_xor> Yeah, but not making a difference unfortunately. Oh well, at least that possibility is eliminated.
00:19:29 <_xor> https://termbin.com/d7b2
00:19:34 <_xor> ^-- kdump
00:20:25 <_xor> I ran it using sudo btw, though I'm wondering now if that's somehow screwing with the environment.
00:22:46 <RhodiumToad> you forgot the -i option to ktrace
00:23:09 <RhodiumToad> looks like it forked before trying to open anything, so you don't see the relevant parts without -i
00:23:18 <_xor> Oh, was wondering why I saw fork calls but then an exit.
00:25:15 <_xor> https://termbin.com/2uiz
00:25:25 <_xor> ^-- kdump, new and improved
00:26:26 <_xor> Hmm, wonder why there's a trailing hyphen on /var/db/syslog-ng.persist-.
00:26:39 <RhodiumToad> it's opening /dev/klog twice
00:26:46 <_xor> Just saw that
00:26:53 <RhodiumToad> and the second one obviously fails
00:27:26 <_xor> You're referring to the lines at and after L17826, right?
00:27:41 <_xor> Er, I mean 17822
00:27:59 <RhodiumToad> no line numbers in this paste :-)
00:28:31 <RhodiumToad> but if you look sof CALL openat followed by NAMI "/dev/klog"  it's clear enough
00:28:33 <_xor> Is the first number the pid? (wondering if it's the parent + child or parent doing it twice)
00:28:45 <RhodiumToad> first number is pid, yes
00:30:01 <_xor> Ah, I see it more clearly now.
00:30:20 <_xor> (fstatat -> openat -> fstatat) x 2
00:32:40 <_xor> Hmm, so I was just now wondering if it's closing it somewhere between the two open calls.
00:33:28 <RhodiumToad> clearly not
00:33:56 <_xor> There are a couple of hundred lines between those two calls so I'm jumping between close calls right now to see if it's closing /dev/klog.
00:35:01 <_xor> Oh, nevermind. I just trimmed the log to only that window. There are no close calls.
00:36:38 <RhodiumToad> any chance it's mentioned more than once in config files?
00:37:20 <_xor> Oh, you might be right. Though I would have figured it would guard against that and re-use existing fds.
00:38:07 <_xor> You are correct, sir.
00:38:37 <_xor> I just removed a config change I made that specified a new set of sources. Apparently it does really just try to open it again.
06:53:36 <ExclamationPoint> does anyone here have a better suggestion than NAT for the following config? I'd like to have a box A with direct connection to box B on a 172.16/8 net connect through box B to box C, the two of which are connected on a 10./8 net to a proxy server. do I really need NAT for this?
11:13:38 <Beladona> virtualbox issue (was working before) Kernel driver not installed (rc=-1908) Make sure the kernel module has been loaded successfully. where: suplibOsInit what: 3 VERR_VM_DRIVER_NOT_INSTALLED (-1908) - The support driver is not installed. On linux, open returned ENOENT.
11:19:17 <nimaje> ExclamationPoint: ok, your network is  A <-> B <-> C? but where are the routers for 10./8 and 172.16/8? and how about making B the router?
11:31:43 <Beladona> should I follow this? https://ostechnix.com/install-oracle-virtualbox-freebsd/
11:31:44 <VimDiesel> Title: How to Install Oracle VirtualBox in FreeBSD - OSTechNix
11:32:03 <Beladona> as it seems vbox in 13.1 was broken, despite I upgraded to 13.2
11:43:09 <nimaje> Beladona: packages are only build per major release on the oldest supported version of that line (so should be 13.2 for 13.x as 13.1 is eol) a problem with that is that sometimes kernel abis aren't as stable as they should be and kernel modules build on older releases don't work on newer ones (which seems to happen quite often for vbox), but as the repo is build on 13.2 and your system is 13.2
11:43:12 <nimaje> that shouldn't be the problem, so no idea
12:01:54 <Beladona> nimaje ok that makes sense. what vbox alternative?
12:36:45 <Beladona40> any guide to qemu + virt-manager?
12:50:27 <Beladona40>  installed virt-manager. now I says Could not detect a default hypervisor. Make sure the appropriate QEMU/KVM virtualization packages are installed to manage virtualization on this host.
13:51:22 <Soni> how does freebsd allocate argv?
14:19:59 <rtprio> Beladona40: i've only used it with kvm on linux
14:20:07 <V_PauAmma_V> See /usr/src/lib/csu/amd64/crt1_c.c:_start or the equivalent for your CPU architecture. (You can also browse the source for your FreeBSD version from https://cgit.freebsd.org/
14:20:08 <VimDiesel> Title: FreeBSD Git repositories
14:20:21 <V_PauAmma_V> .)
14:21:33 <Beladona40> rtprio ok
14:24:00 <rtprio> Beladona40: what are you trying to do? run debian in qemu?
14:24:42 <Beladona40> run ubuntu on freebsd via vbx or qemu
14:24:58 <Beladona40> can't get anythign right
14:25:12 <rtprio> i run it with bhyve and it works fine. i guess it depends on your needs
14:25:30 <rtprio> debian, in my case
14:25:42 <Beladona40> bhyve?
14:25:54 <Beladona40> rtprio you prefer ubuntu or debian?
14:25:56 <Beladona40> for prod
14:26:36 <rtprio> i only "prod" my homelab, and i prefer debian
14:26:52 <rtprio> when freebsd doesn't fit
14:27:15 <Beladona40> freebsd is great and first choice but too much less community support. too much configs and quirks
14:27:28 <Beladona40> so hard to get anything right
14:27:50 <rtprio> haha, ok if you say so.
14:28:01 <Beladona40> freebsd is best if its just for a database and httpd,
14:28:07 <Beladona40> nothing else
14:28:22 <rtprio> that is an opinion.
14:28:37 <Beladona40> but I got a lot happening. browsers, linux support, camera, mic, video editor/ obs
14:28:45 <Beladona40> rtprio yes. just my opinion
14:28:53 * V_PauAmma_V pets his FreeBSD+XFCE laptop. Shh, it's OK. I still love you.
14:29:03 <rtprio> it's nearly always the same software, with the same configs. quirks, i don't know about that
14:29:26 <rtprio> i dare say plenty of people use linux support and manage obs
14:30:38 <Beladona40> and on top, you have some disks. either use freebsd (geli) to decrypt or LUKs (ubuntu) to decrypt. can't have both
14:30:47 <Beladona40> so my disks can't be accessed by linux os
14:30:53 <Beladona40> if encrypted by geli
14:30:59 <Beladona40> that is a headache too
14:31:23 <rtprio> yep. your windows can't access ufs. it's a part of life. choose one and move on. or get another machine
14:32:01 <Beladona40> I have zfs. both bsd and linux can access it
14:32:09 <Beladona40> but was talking about geli/luks
14:32:21 <Beladona40> no other way. right?
14:32:25 <rtprio> zfs encryption
14:32:34 <Beladona40> am ok..
14:33:15 <Beladona40> rtprio thanks, i will see into that
15:11:32 <debdrup> fengshaun_: have you considered making https://www.amoradi.org/20210912134104.html into a FreeBSD handbook article?
15:11:33 <VimDiesel> Title: Kerberized NFSv4 in a mixed OS environment
15:36:46 <hotsoup> Hi all. Sorry for what's probably a fairly common question. I want to try out freebsd as a daily driver on my laptop. Intel Tiger Lake system, integrated GPU. In searching around it looks like my hardware is supported. Are there any potentials gotchas I'm not thinking of in getting a running system?
15:37:02 <hotsoup> potential*
15:37:50 <Tabmow> hotsoup: not really, the release hardware notes and https://wiki.freebsd.org/Laptops are a good read before you start though.
15:37:52 <VimDiesel> Title: Laptops - FreeBSD Wiki
15:38:12 <hotsoup> Tabmow: Thanks, I'll give it a read.
15:38:57 <DrKK`> At the risk of inciting jihad, I will simply say that not everyone is convinced FreeBSD is what they want on their daily driver. :)  Good luck to you.
15:39:38 <hotsoup> DrKK`: I've already considered some pitfalls, and I'm sure there's some I haven't considered yet. If it doesn't work out I'll just dd back my linux install. Not the end of the world :)
15:49:45 <DrKK`> I used FreeBSD ubiquitously on every computer in this house.  Except.  My daily driver.
15:49:58 <DrKK`> use*
15:57:16 <armin> quote impressive, just set up a fresh freebsd desktop machine (ryzen 9, 32gb ram, ati graphics card, focusrite scarlett 2i6 usb audio interface, 43" 4k display). even that usb sound card just worked and i had a desktop running with sound in less than 20min after booting the usb stick. \o/
15:57:29 <armin> according to the timestamps in my irc client i was faster than 17min.
15:57:49 <armin> only thing i'm stuck with currently is mounting my nas via smb, but hey.
16:00:24 <armin> that's definitely better than what i was expecting.
16:01:18 <Tabmow> Does your nas support nfs? If so, in my experience you'd be a lot more better off mounting shares that way.
16:01:47 <armin> Tabmow: it does but i wouldn't want to use that. my interface to that nas is just smb since 2 decades now, i have no ambition to change or overthink that, my apologies.
16:02:28 <armin> Tabmow: in fact it's just some tiny nixos machine (no preference whatsoever, i was simply learning nixos at that time).
16:04:03 <armin> Tabmow: i'm almost sure nfs would be technically more sophisticated and simply better, but i would still want to be able to mount a samba share on freebsd. :)
16:04:56 <jeang3nie> I've had issues in the past with interop between Linux and FreeBSD nfs implementation. Although if you stick with nfsv3 it's probably fine.
16:05:18 <armin> shouldn't even nfs4 just work?
16:05:22 <jeang3nie> Of course that was ten+ years ago, so things might have changed.
16:05:25 <armin> hehe
16:06:04 <armin> i realize every time i install freebsd desktops again how much i love this operating system.
16:06:43 <armin> zero surprises, i can be 100% sure to be able to come back after some time and find what i well remember.
16:07:11 <jeang3nie> Agreed. I used it as my daily driver for years, switched to Linux for a while, and just came back a couple months ago. It's so much more sane.
16:07:41 <jeang3nie> The mad push to containerizing everything put me over the edge.
16:07:52 <armin> jeang3nie: i'm trying just that currently. basically all my hardware works out of the box, i had ZERO issues, my desktop was up and running playing sound in under 20 minutes and i have 4 audio cards in this system.
16:08:14 <jeang3nie> That's awesome.
16:08:15 <armin> jeang3nie: going through the installer was just muscle memory.
16:08:31 <armin> speed run so to speak. :)
16:09:11 <armin> but yea, less than 20min is HARD to beat even with some linux you can install from the live iso with calamares and everything.
16:09:20 <armin> that's insane.
16:10:09 <armin> will definitely continue to work on this, first impression exceeded any kind of expectations so far. <3
16:10:14 <jeang3nie> I think the only one I would even try to beat that with is Void. They offer you a tarball to just extract if you know what you're doing.
16:10:30 <armin> ah yeah, void, i'm the author of vpm, btw.
16:10:37 <armin> (in case you know that)
16:10:40 <jeang3nie> Oh, cool!
16:11:04 <armin> <3 simple things :)
16:11:45 <jeang3nie> I still run Void on an RPI4, headless. Switched over my other machines to FreeBSD.
16:11:59 <armin> :)
16:12:44 <armin> the best thing about freebsd and void: you'll find a community of like-minded people who love minimalism.
16:12:58 <jeang3nie> Seems that way.
16:14:32 <armin> jeang3nie: couple of days ago someone excused on reddit for writing something similar to vpm, i was just like "wow, by all means, do WHATEVER you want, af i can anyhow help you, please always just contact me, happy to help you with whatever you want."
16:14:33 <VVD> armin, what "DE" did you install on FreeBSD?
16:15:04 <armin> VVD: i always start with xfce, just to have all the stuff needed installed, and then stray away from there into i3/sway/awesome/bspwm or something...
16:15:47 <armin> VVD: works blatantly well, if "echo startxfce4 > .xinitrc; startx" works i know i'm safe.
16:16:31 <VVD> I'm using KDE from 3.5
16:16:44 <myappie> freebsd needs a new logo and website
16:16:59 <armin> myappie: correct, the logo is outdated.
16:17:04 <myappie> know what happened last time i said that? the famous logo competition :lol:
16:17:10 <myappie> yep
16:17:15 <armin> myappie: it was at a time where user interfaces all started to adopt this glare-look.
16:17:23 <myappie> i'm sorry for encouraging its creation
16:17:26 <myappie> yeah
16:17:27 <myappie> nasty
16:17:59 <armin> myappie: freebsd had this logo creation contest and the dude submitting the current log won by a large bar gain, and rightly so, he really submitted some extremely awesome work. but that's 20 years ago now.
16:18:10 <jeang3nie> Ugghhh, as long as they don't change it to something flat just like everything else..
16:18:12 <myappie> armin: yeah i started it (indirectly)
16:18:14 <myappie> hehe
16:18:26 <armin> jeang3nie: flat is ok, over-simplified isn't.
16:18:31 <myappie> jeez time flies
16:18:32 <armin> myappie: oh :)
16:18:39 <armin> myappie: <3
16:18:53 <jeang3nie> In ten years some kid will be like, this flat logo is so dated and crappy.
16:18:54 <myappie> meanwhile though i've become an architect and logo designer, so this time, you'll all get a proper logo
16:19:08 <myappie> jeang3nie: hehe
16:19:30 <armin> myappie: as if your previous work wasn't good or something, it was mindblowing for the time back then, i remember looking at that for an hour with my mum (she's a graphics designer).
16:19:45 <myappie> armin: do you know who that dude was or if his work is available?
16:19:46 <armin> myappie: much love and respect for that.
16:19:53 <myappie> ah nice
16:19:54 <armin> myappie: ah thought it was you.
16:20:17 <armin> myappie: i can't remember, it's too long ago. :)
16:21:04 <myappie> i did recently do a drawing of beastie as meatwad from aqua teen hunger force, don't know if you're familiar
16:21:07 <myappie> hold up
16:21:27 <armin> oh :)
16:22:56 <armin> adult-swim is nice. :)
16:22:59 <myappie> im hoping to revamp openbsd's website and branding, so while im at it, it would make sense if i do freebsd too
16:23:15 <myappie> im also trying to convert all linux GPU drivers to both BSDs
16:23:31 <myappie> so it's gonna be a good thing
16:23:31 <armin> myappie: drop me a link and i'll buy a shirt just to support you in a heartbeat. :)
16:23:38 <myappie> it is it is <3
16:23:43 <myappie> cool man!
16:23:55 <myappie> yeah just check bsdports.org tomorrow or something it should be back up
16:24:01 <armin> niiiice
16:24:26 <myappie> and also bsddocs.org, i've noticed we're falling a bit behind on the doc systemz :P
16:24:38 <myappie> wait before i go, beastie!
16:24:38 <armin> checking
16:24:46 <myappie> nothing there now
16:25:26 <myappie> but its coded, designed and has an awesoe reactive search UI based on ruby on rails
16:25:30 <myappie> ok found him:
16:26:59 <myappie> https://i.imgur.com/sOMkr6b.png
16:27:38 <myappie> hehe
16:27:46 <myappie> what a waste of time. cute lil fella though
16:28:14 <armin> lol
16:28:57 <armin> there's this guy from tilda.center who was making music with freebsd 3 years ago
16:29:05 <armin> that was highly impressive stuff, too
16:30:29 <armin> that guy was simply tweaking freebsd so to the bone that he got latency of his whole audio stack WAY below his linux installations
16:30:37 <armin> o.O
16:31:23 <myappie> cool
16:31:30 <armin> i've been making a lot of music using renoise (renoise.com), so that's very interesting for me...
16:31:51 <myappie> should release a freebsd mixtape, id love to contribute
16:31:57 <myappie> oh i see
16:32:09 <myappie> ableton live here :/ can't survive without VSTs
16:32:14 <armin> i'd be happy to contribute a couple of songs for a sampler, definitely.
16:32:26 <myappie> hehe that'd be awesome
16:32:36 <armin> myappie: renoise has support for VSTs, but you need these linux VST things i believe, there are some synthesizers that work just fine though
16:32:42 <myappie> in openbsd it's a tradition even
16:32:59 <armin> yea i have some music i would love to contribute
16:33:21 <myappie>  u have anything online?
16:33:26 <armin> i'm hard at hearing since birth, have released music on some major labels, but i ended up giving my music away for free again, making money with art is just not for me
16:33:35 <myappie> ah i see
16:33:46 <myappie> yeah i'm starting my own major label for that exact same reason
16:34:01 <armin> myappie: oof, i've been having 20 monikers, got stuff on spotify/youtube, whatever, yes, even releases on CD, ran a netlabel for years, yada yada
16:34:24 <armin> myappie: but i never made a thing out of hype, that's not me
16:34:43 <myappie> coupling it with a new major social network intended to rival twitter and soundcloud. it would be a nice way to get my own and my artists music out to hundreds of millions without having to kiss anybody's ass
16:34:55 <mason> There's #freebsd-social right over there ->
16:34:57 <myappie> oooh nice nice nice
16:35:10 <myappie> mason: got it!
16:35:19 <armin> mason: oh sorry, we weren't meaning to spam this and got lost, we're relaying discussion to there now, my apologies. <3
16:35:28 <mason> No worries, just saying.
17:19:25 <linear_cannon> hi, i'm trying to set up two FreeBSD VMs (big and little endian) on a POWER9 system, with a Linux host using libvirt/qemu-kvm. i've run through the install process, using guided partitioning. with both VMs, once finished, i can't boot into the installed system
17:19:39 <linear_cannon> the bootloader runs, then give me a "panic: domount", and drops me back to openfirmware
17:19:57 <linear_cannon> i don't know how to troubleshoot this
17:33:04 <srp[m]> Howdy. I’ve got an interesting conundrum. For some reason, my wifi network isn’t showing up on AP scans and so I’ve got no connection.
17:33:42 <srp[m]> Not sure what could be causing it, I can see a whole bunch of other networks and all other devices see the network no problem.
17:34:45 <srp[m]> I did recently change the channels that the network runs on to avoid clogging, but I would think that wpa_supplicant would still spot it despite that.
17:52:42 <srp> Fixed it, didn't know that certain channels were accessible with the card.
17:58:11 <rukus> srp: could be related to region.
17:59:44 <linear_cannon> i think i figured out my issue, i used gpt for the partition map and it seems like slof doesn't support it. booting kernel directly works, but then it won't mount root
17:59:50 <linear_cannon> i'll just reinstall with mbr and see how that goes
18:06:27 <srp> rukus: I just used `ifconfig wlan0 list channel` then switched the 5Ghz network to one of the channels there.
18:06:41 <srp> The channel I had that network set to wasn't one in that list.
18:06:54 <srp> It's working now.
18:08:24 <rukus> good then.
18:42:31 <jgh> root
18:42:38 <jgh> wups
18:42:41 <tercaL> Hello, good evening. I know how to set Jails and configure each of them to have a virtual *local* IP addresses like; jail1: 10.10.10.2, jail2: 10.10.10.3, et cetera. And I can set each of them to have sshd listening on their owni, virtual IP addresses. However, here goes my question; any idea/solution you'd suggest me on; how to access the root@jail1, root@jail2 through ssh directly and externally on the Internet?
18:45:35 <tercaL> P.S.: Only the host has a public external IP address.
18:52:28 <costly> tercaL: I assume you must configure NAT for IPv4
18:53:27 <tercaL> costly: Some sort of PF would work you think? like; rdr pass on $ext_if proto tcp from any to $ext_if port 2222 -> 10.10.10.2 port 22
19:06:14 <Beladona91> I expanded as per this  https://serverfault.com/questions/703471/why-isnt-my-zfs-pool-expanding-using-zfs-on-linux  but the size in `zpool list` is same as before with this message on  `partprobe` : Warning: Not all of the space available to /dev/sda appears to be used, you can fix the GPT to use all of the space (an extra 24326944 blocks) or
19:06:15 <Beladona91> continue with the current setting? any clue what I am missing?
19:06:15 <VimDiesel> Title: Why isn't my ZFS pool expanding using ZFS on Linux? - Server Fault
19:19:05 <Beladona91> rebooting\
19:21:35 <Beladona> partprobe
19:21:36 <Beladona> Warning: Not all of the space available to /dev/sda appears to be used, you can fix the GPT to use all of the space (an extra 24326944 blocks) or continue with the current setting?
19:22:39 <RhodiumToad> what is this /dev/sda of which you speak
19:22:49 <RhodiumToad> or did you forget this is #freebsd?
19:23:01 <fengshaun> debdrup, I'd be honoured, I'm just not sure if the post is polished enough/worthy of the Handbook. Any recommendations for get it ready?
19:23:25 <fengshaun> my hosting is down again sadly! but you were referring to kerberized nfsv4 in mixed os environment
19:23:50 <debdrup> fengshaun: I'd say it's pretty much ready to go, it just needs to be converted to asciidoc (I assume it's in markdown?)
19:24:29 <fengshaun> it's in org-mode, if you think it's fine, I'd be happy to turn it into ascii doc. What do I do next?
19:27:28 <debdrup> fengshaun: https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/fdp-primer/book/#overview-quick-start
19:27:29 <VimDiesel> Title: FreeBSD Documentation Project Primer for New Contributors | FreeBSD Documentation Portal
19:28:06 <fengshaun> debdrup, thanks, I'll go through it and get back you once done!
19:28:23 <debdrup> That document also contains a bit of explanation of the directory structure and such.
19:29:29 <Beladona> RhodiumToad ah.. sorry, its nix guest in freebsd. Was so used to freebsd.
19:30:29 <fengshaun> nice, which section of the handbook do you think the post fits? a subsection within 32.3 NFS?
19:50:33 <rtprio> Beladona: what was the configuration of the pool
20:12:25 <debdrup> fengshaun: yeah, a subsection within NFS seems like the best place for it
20:12:50 <fengshaun> debdrup, thanks
23:45:56 <ExclamationPoint> nimaje, A is a linux box, B is a FreeBSD box, and C is a FreeBSD box. C is my proxy to the rest of the world
23:47:02 <ExclamationPoint> A<->B is 172.16 and B<->C is 10. I may just put NAT and FW on B and have it route otu
23:48:14 <debdrup> Double-NAT is going to cause you no end of trouble.