03:52:45 <Beladona> How can FAULTED with too many errors disk of a mirror be repaired if not done by scrub for the first time?
04:06:31 <Beladona> Any luck on geli: Cannot store metadata on /dev/ada2: Operation not permitted. geli: There was an error with at least one provider. cannot zero first 4096 bytes of '/dev/ada2.eli': Input/output error
04:44:58 <Beladona> FYI, I changed sata port, and power cable, data cable for the drive and its working fine now.
04:51:02 <Beladona> I wish I would have done that before detaching the drive. Still not sure the reason of errors with certainty
09:09:43 * RhodiumToad looks at disk write timings of 23419 ms/w
09:09:49 <RhodiumToad> gotta love SMR
09:18:36 <node1> Hi
09:20:50 <vkarlsen> The bitterness of SMR write speeds remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten
09:22:16 <RhodiumToad> honestly for this drive, capacity trumped other considerations
09:23:05 <vkarlsen> Then it was a trade-off
09:23:30 <RhodiumToad> this happens to be the rare occasion when I have to bulk-copy a whole ton of stuff to it
09:25:04 <RhodiumToad> the first half TB copied fairly quickly, but then the performance tanks
09:28:06 <RhodiumToad> might have been quicker to stage it to a matching size partition on another drive, then mirror it
10:13:14 <paulf> little bug in the _umtx_op manpage
10:13:49 <paulf> the description for UMTX_OP_GET_MIN_TIMEOUT says the result is written to uaddr1.
10:14:02 <paulf> but the signature only has uaddr and uaddr2
12:17:10 <signalblue> I have a quick question about trying to setup a WireGuard peer (think: server) on FreeBSD. Everything is up and running but RDP performance to a Windows workstation along with anything else needing stable bandwidth is extremely slow and choppy. I've seen this now on two fresh installs and everything is basically the default settings. I am unable to pinpoint the issue if someone can please help. Thanks.
12:48:26 <Beladona> RhodiumToad vkarlsen  there a problem with SMR and is one or both of my drives something called SMR?
12:50:16 <vkarlsen> Beladona: What drives do you have?
12:52:49 <Beladona> vkarlsen these https://termbin.com/jhit https://termbin.com/e13l4
12:54:32 <vkarlsen> Beladona: Seagate Constellation ES.3?
12:55:24 <Beladona> one is seagate, other is WD
12:56:32 <vkarlsen> Your second link just says /dev/ada2: Unable to detect device type
12:57:07 <Beladona> vkarlsen ok now I see ada2 as ada2.eli  REMOVED      0     0     0  during resilver process... Not sure if cables are bad or drive.
12:59:29 <vkarlsen> I don't know what the Constellation has, but I wouldn't expect it to have SMR as they recommend it for NAS. As for WD, I'd be skeptical.
13:07:07 <Beladona> I will be back after a reboot
13:14:49 <Beladona> back, here are my drives again: WD: https://termbin.com/jx3q  Seagate: https://termbin.com/ybg8
13:15:24 <Beladona> the WD drive appeared back again after reboot.
13:16:51 <Beladona> The moment I imported zpool, the WD drive got removed again and not shown in camcrontrol either. Not sure what is happening.
13:18:54 <vkarlsen> WD42PURZ is supposed to be CMR
13:19:43 <Beladona> ok but its faulting
13:19:49 <Beladona> bottom of termbin shows
13:19:57 <Beladona> not sure if its cable, or drive
13:20:30 <vkarlsen> I'd test the cable first
13:20:39 <Beladona> how
13:20:45 <vkarlsen> With a different cable
13:21:05 <Beladona> I tried, it went running, for a day with new cable, then what I said above happened
13:22:41 <vkarlsen> I don't know, I haven't been following your disk adventure. My comments regarding SMR were not related to that, and SMR doesn't cause the failures you are seeing
13:25:45 <Beladona> vkarlsen not sure what kind of errors are they. Cable or sata port or drive . https://pastebin.mozilla.org/9Z8AZ1YC
13:25:46 <VimDiesel> Title: Mozilla Community Pastebin/9Z8AZ1YC (Plain Code)
14:12:57 <ghoti> Is there a way to get Netflix running in a browser in FreeBSD? Video playback works fine in Youtube, but Netflix tells me it wants me to upgrade "Microsoft Silverlight".
14:14:31 <ghoti> At one point Netflix produced an error that suggested I visit chrome://settings/content/protectedContent, but as I say, I'm in Firefox...
14:31:05 <Beladona> changed cables, its drive issue I think
14:31:45 <Beladona> ATA_READ_LOG_EXT (addr=0x0c:0x00, page=0, n=1) failed: Input/output error
14:31:45 <Beladona> Read Pending Defects log page 0x00 failed. ATA_READ_LOG_EXT (addr=0x11:0x00, page=0, n=1) failed: cam_send_ccb failed
14:31:46 <Beladona> Read SATA Phy Event Counters failed
14:31:54 <Beladona> will try warranty now and buy seagate drive only
14:34:57 <vkarlsen> Make sure you avoid SMR drives
14:37:03 <V_PauAmma_V> Is there a way to specify another ZFS mountpoint for a single manual mount of a dataset? "zfs mount -o mountpoint=/foo/bar quux" seems to ignore the requested mountpoint. I vaguely remember an altmount or altmnt property, but I can't find it in zfsprops(7). FreeBSD 13.2-RELEASE-p2.
14:39:30 <cybercrypto> great stuff. out of curiosity (and also lack of my knowledge) why vendors positioning SMR as best technology? What recording technology you would indicate the best for freebsd?
14:40:13 <kyonsalt> ok,ventroy is better way for freebsd install.
14:50:15 <vkarlsen> cybercrypto: More bits per inch, but it'll cost you in write speed
15:04:00 <rtprio> ghoti: i think only chromium has the drm working, and linux only
15:04:16 <rtprio> so youll need linuxuator, as i recall
15:05:29 <rtprio> V_PauAmma_V: i think you need to set thr mountpoint before mounting
15:05:54 <rtprio> altroot is for when you import a pool
15:06:38 <V_PauAmma_V> Ah, altroot on import may be what I was (mis)remembering. Thanks.
15:20:15 <vkarlsen> Speaking of disks, looks like my old Barracuda is finally nearing its replacement date -- https://bsd.to/aX7N
15:20:16 <VimDiesel> Title: dpaste/aX7N (Bash)
15:26:50 <Beladona> vkarlsen which one is SMR? WD 4tb Purple   or Seagate Skyhawk 3.5" 4TB  ST4000VX007
15:28:55 <Beladona> https://www.seagate.com/www-content/product-content/skyhawk/files/skyhawk-ds-1902-3-1608us.pdf
15:29:13 <vkarlsen> ST4000VX007 is listed as CMR
15:29:44 <Beladona> vkarlsen how did you knew?
15:29:45 <Beladona> https://documents.westerndigital.com/content/dam/doc-library/en_us/assets/public/western-digital/product/internal-drives/wd-purple-hdd/product-brief-wd-purple-hdd.pdf
15:31:27 <Beladona> the WD says Recording Technology CMR
15:32:06 <vkarlsen> I just look the numbers up on the world wide web
15:32:28 <vkarlsen> The manufacturers usually specify these things in their data sheets, but not always
15:33:03 <Beladona> yes https://www.seagate.com/www-content/datasheets/pdfs/skyhawk-3-5-hdd-DS1902-14-2005GB-en_GB.pdf
15:33:06 <Beladona> its CMR
15:33:13 <Beladona> both WD and seagate in my case are CMR
15:33:18 <Beladona> any non-cmr recommendations?
15:33:20 <Beladona> 4tb
15:34:57 <vkarlsen> Non-CMR?
15:35:47 <Beladona> vkarlsen ya, CMR is not recommended. right? whats the other opiton?
15:37:17 <vkarlsen> Beladona: I do recommend CMR. It's SMR you should avoid. Did I typo that earlier? In any case, SMR is that new "fancy" shingled way of stacking tracks that will in some situations slow down write speeds because it has to rewrite the data it overwrites because the write head is wider than the read head
15:37:35 <V_PauAmma_V> *SMR* ("singled media recording" IIRC) is the not-recomm... what vkarlsen said.
15:38:06 <V_PauAmma_V> s/singled/shingled/
15:38:22 <Beladona> oh I misread
15:39:01 <vkarlsen> I'm recovering from an eye infection so I don't trust my own writing this week
15:39:35 <Beladona> then both seagate skyhawk and wd purple are CMR. The latter just don't have advance power options. So I am good with buying another seagate skyhawk survailance drive?
15:39:58 <vkarlsen> Yeah, if it fits your specs otherwise
15:40:40 <vkarlsen> I have no experience with the Skyhawks myself
15:41:17 <Beladona> vkarlsen what brands/models you recommend?
15:41:57 <vkarlsen> I stick to Seagate IronWolf nowadays
15:42:24 <Beladona> ok
15:43:54 <Beladona> so that it would be good in zfs compatibility (on how zfs works)
16:12:06 <ghoti> rtprio: thanks, I'll try that.
16:24:42 <cybercrypto> vkarlsen: thanks. reading more about it... i see it is not recommended if intensive use is required. (auto arranging will be concurrent with write demands)
20:02:16 <redlegion> rtprio: I've installed it with pkg and I've tried using tic to install just the term info.
20:02:27 <redlegion> neither really seemed to work.
20:38:57 <vkarlsen> Beladona: I use them in zfs mirrors
20:43:48 <Beladona> ok
20:44:58 <vkarlsen> One is mirrored with an old Barracuda I expect will die soon
20:51:58 <parv> How do I set up "stable/14" as the tracking branch, so that a "git pull" will update "stable/14" & "main" branches? Background/Tried: https://tech.lgbt/@parvXtl/110951903944994860 & https://tech.lgbt/@parvXtl/110951974690659330
20:52:00 <VimDiesel> Title: parv: "Now that #FreeBSD #Git "main" branch (which was 1…" - LGBTQIA+ Tech Mastodon
20:54:39 <vkarlsen> parv: Did you git fetch --all?
20:55:10 <parv> vkarlsen, I had done "git clone <url> <dir>"
20:55:23 <parv> followed by "git pull"
20:55:43 <vkarlsen> parv: What's the output of 'git branch'?
20:56:04 <vkarlsen> and 'git branch -a'?
20:57:08 <parv> vkarlsen, https://termbin.com/1gvj
20:57:41 <parv> "git branch: * (HEAD detached at origin/stable/14)
20:57:41 <parv> main
20:59:41 <vkarlsen> Hm, I just did 'git switch stable/14' and that worked
21:00:55 <parv> vkarlsen, Hunh. Ok, same here; will do "git pull" ...
21:03:21 <parv> vkarlsen, It's Working As Expected! "git pull" had updated main, stable/1[23], & some other branches; stable/14 is at "7be29291845a 20230825-14 -0400 UPDATING: fix a vestigial reference to -CURRENT"
21:03:27 <parv> vkarlsen, Thanks much
21:06:03 <vkarlsen> parv: Glad to hear it, git can be mysterious at times o/
21:07:22 <parv> vkarlsen, May I credit you in one of my posts on Mastodon (linked earlier)?
21:07:48 <vkarlsen> parv: Sure :)
21:11:08 <parv> vkarlsen, Thanks. See the bottom of https://tech.lgbt/@parvXtl/110951974690659330
21:11:09 <VimDiesel> Title: parv: "... oh, need to switch to "origin/stable/14" ... …" - LGBTQIA+ Tech Mastodon
21:11:42 <vkarlsen> parv: Cheers
21:17:49 <meena> grrr git *shakes fist* etc…
21:22:02 <vkarlsen> Embrace the git, meena
21:24:50 <nero> this looks like a situation where you would be quicker to edit .git/config right away
21:27:16 <nero> ^ generally for editing remotes and branch settings
21:38:29 <betabube> hi, how fast is freebsd's package manager?
21:38:50 <betabube> compared to openbsd faster?
21:38:58 <betabube> don't know if is hould give it a try again
21:39:53 <vkarlsen> Did you ditch it because the pkg manager was slow?
21:40:28 <betabube> yeah :/
21:40:37 <betabube> maybe i was not patient enough
21:40:52 <vkarlsen> Was it slow on the local work or slow to download pkgs over the net?
21:41:06 <betabube> slow to download, installed htop, took minutes
21:41:18 <betabube> also propbably slow on the local, only an intel atom cpu
21:42:54 <vkarlsen> betabube: Just tested: https://bsd.to/qCfi
21:42:56 <VimDiesel> Title: dpaste/qCfi (Bash)
21:44:11 <betabube> wow nice vkarlsen don't know why it was so slow on my machine
21:44:24 <betabube> intel compute stick is not really good hardware hmm
21:44:36 <betabube> already struggled setting up network
21:44:42 <betabube> i shoudl just run legacy hardware
21:45:58 <betabube> vkarlsen: neofetch?
21:58:19 <parv> neofetch. The New Standard. To share system information as *fucking image*
22:39:39 <betabube> hihi
23:30:30 <redlegion> does anyone know how to add a term profile to FreeBSD?
23:31:17 <RhodiumToad> yes
23:31:24 <RhodiumToad> what do you need to add?
23:31:50 <redlegion> alacritty
23:32:12 <redlegion> I have the terminfo file from alacritty.org
23:34:20 <RhodiumToad> ok, so it should be just a matter of converting that to termcap
23:34:28 <redlegion> infocmp?
23:34:32 <RhodiumToad> where's the file?
23:35:06 <redlegion> https://github.com/alacritty/alacritty/releases/download/v0.12.2/alacritty.info
23:36:35 <noyb> redlegion: put it in ~/.config/alacritty/alacritty.yml   # if it's alacritty.yml
23:37:05 <RhodiumToad> that's nothing to do with the terminfo
23:37:35 <noyb> oh!  ok, I didn't understand the question (but I didn't know that).  many apologies.
23:37:38 <redlegion> I could set it to something like "xterm-256color" with alacritty.yml, but I'm kinda trying to set it up legitimately on FreeBSD.
23:40:08 <RhodiumToad> redlegion: so, easiest way to test these things is to create a ~/.termcap file
23:40:46 <RhodiumToad> infocmp isn't in the base system, but there's an infotocap in the devel/ncurses port
23:40:58 <redlegion> okay, I think I have that
23:41:51 <RhodiumToad> I haven't tested it recently, but I'm pretty sure there are still programs that have the 1024-byte limit on termcaps, so it's worth producing a definition that fits in that
23:42:33 <redlegion> I'm gonna test it out
23:42:41 * RhodiumToad has customized his xterm and tmux definitions, and ran into length limits in the past
23:44:05 <_xor> termcap vs terminfo was the bane of my existence.
23:51:36 <RhodiumToad> one thing to bear in mind is that termcap/terminfo describe a lot of capabilities that often don't get used, or which are easily emulated with other capabilities
23:51:37 <redlegion> yeah, I'm not having a ton of luck with it
23:52:11 <redlegion> so I converted it with infotocap, and output the result to a ~/.termcap file but it still doesn't seem to be setting the terminal correctly
23:52:31 <redlegion> is there something I need to reset?
23:52:42 <RhodiumToad> for example, parm_right_cursor (RI) is useful, but all the other parm_*_cursor caps should just be omitted because cursor_address works better
23:53:12 <RhodiumToad> you need to set TERM in the environment to whatever name you gave the termcap entry
23:53:25 <redlegion> yeah, I am definitely doing that
23:53:36 <RhodiumToad> what does the entry look like?
23:54:51 <redlegion> https://pastebin.com/RDGjWUQv
23:54:52 <VimDiesel> Title: % cat .termcap - Pastebin.com
23:55:50 <RhodiumToad> uh
23:56:11 <redlegion> I knew I was missing something
23:57:30 <RhodiumToad> how did you create that?