00:03:08 <Kit_Leopold> At the moment, I'm still reading the FreeBSD Handbook. Installed the system on a VirtualBox virtual machine. But still hesitant to install the FreeBSD operating system on real hardware with a single operating system. Lots of new information that takes time to learn.
00:21:38 <SpaceBass> How do port maintainers get assigned?
00:24:44 <Chargen> hello heaps
00:30:43 <V_PauAmma_V> Basically goes like this: if you create a port, you're its maintainer. If you no longer use it or have the time/energy/etc. to maintain it, you may ask around for someone else to take over, or make it unassigned (that is, assign maintainership to the ports mailing list).
00:33:16 <SpaceBass> What if, I don't know I'm just spitballing here... the maintainer is hostile to the user base? Is there a process for adding co-maintainers?
00:42:06 <V_PauAmma_V> Good question. Maybe someone in #freebsd-ports knows.
00:42:12 <kevans> not really, no, but it sounds like they're not necessarily being a good steward of their port and that could be a thing to raise to portmgr
00:42:35 <V_PauAmma_V> Or what kevans said.
00:50:16 <SpaceBass> Ill investigate
00:58:06 <SpaceBass> I dont mind taking a lot of time to spin up boxes, test things, report findings, etc... I'm frustrated because the maintainer is consistently put out by any question or suggestion that docs are vague. The last straw was when he told me he couldn't understand my feedback because the English isn't clear. I'm a native speaker, and an English major. He is not. I have tremendous empathy and appreciation for non-native speakers. But this guy is combative.
01:00:57 <SpaceBass> (To be clear, I dont believe he's combative because he doesnt understand, he's combative because he sends really awful emails back)
01:42:09 <checkpoint> SpaceBass: why bother anyone while there's source code ? try to fix it by yourselves. I'm absolutely sure studing the code will get you do a solution without patching it.
02:38:42 <blastwave> I have a laptop here trying to burn itself to the ground : sysctl dev.cpu.0.temperature == dev.cpu.0.temperature: 85.0C  where I do have "kldload coretemp" done. what is going on here ?
02:45:40 <blastwave> output from "  powerd -p 5000 -v " is totally insane --> load 272%, current freq 3119 MHz ( 0), wanted freq 5400 MHz
03:18:10 <mason> 272% is okay
03:18:22 <mason> Almost three of four cores, at a guess.
03:31:51 <markmcb> Nice! I just noticed rpi firmware got a bump from 20210303 to 20230405. Hopefully this means the PoE+ hat will work now. It's been the only thing keeping my rpi on Debian.
03:32:34 <markmcb> Looks like it's in latest. Is it possible to pull one package from latest if you're on quarterly, or is that a bad idea and I should switch the repo?
03:33:17 <mason> bad idea
03:34:14 <markmcb> that's what i figured, thanks for confirming
04:17:12 <markmcb> installed. sadly the poe+ hat still doesn't work and my 80ºC rpi is sad.
09:44:44 <wakaflaka> So im starting a new OS, aibsd :-)
09:46:54 <wakaflaka> A LLM like ChatGPT but running on freebsd/openbsd
09:48:21 <wakaflaka> anybody with me?? :-)
09:53:08 <wakaflaka> it uses AI to try to convert all Linux GPU drivers to BSD
09:53:42 <wakaflaka> people would have no reason to use linux anymore!
09:59:29 <meena> good luck…
11:20:09 <SymbioticFemale> how do i configure multiple accesspoints in hostapd.conf? apparently interface={wlan0,wlan1} can be done but the rest of hostapd.conf doesn't follow...
11:21:11 <SymbioticFemale> i'm trying to work rc.conf and hostapd.conf together somehow to configure different SSIDs/channels for different interfaces
11:21:47 <SymbioticFemale> is there a way i can specify/define a specific hostapd.conf file per interface in rc.conf or something?
11:22:12 <SymbioticFemale> there was this patch but it doesn't seem clear about whether or how it was implemeted https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=222090
11:22:15 <VimDiesel> Title: 222090 – [patch] Add ability to start multiple APs using hostapd(8)
15:55:01 <Beladona> what likely problem is da0 going though? https://pastebin.mozilla.org/bT7mL4g5
15:55:02 <VimDiesel> Title: Mozilla Community Pastebin/bT7mL4g5 (Plain Code)
15:58:49 <CmdLnKid> beladona, usb connected ?
16:00:24 <CmdLnKid> for instance the bandwidth over usb can be effected by writes/reads which increase a lot when encryption is enabled and severely impact usage
16:01:23 <CmdLnKid> ive had it happen on ufs, apfs, zfs multiple time. the only answer i could come up with is plugging into a sata or sas connector
16:02:29 <CmdLnKid> you aren't going to get around that unless you limit your bandwidth
16:03:44 <CmdLnKid> another user yesterday also had this problem. the solution with his rsync ... --bwlimit arg to rsync
16:09:04 <beowuff> How do people handle Let's Encrypt certs with multiple jails on a single host? I've got plex, nginx, and a few other things with web frontends I'd like certs for.
16:09:50 <beowuff> I was thinking of a * cert with the www jail and then mounting a path to www with rw and ro on the other jails to pick up the cert, but I feel like there should be a better way.
16:16:02 <CmdLnKid> beowuff, thats the same way some would handle multiple hosts behind a nat
16:17:31 <beowuff> I suppose I could also just do a non * and list all the subdomains. That wouldn't be that hard and probably safer. Part of my problem is I'm using afraid.org for dynamic dns and there's no certbot plugin for that for dns checks. I could go to AWS Route53, but my router has built in support for afriad.org.
16:18:20 <CmdLnKid> * is the easy way out. but why not just list exact since you can just request another cert
16:19:07 <beowuff> I did try to setup a path rw to my www jail and ro to the other jails for the cert, but had issues. Maybe I'll try that again.
16:22:00 <beowuff> I really need a white bord in my office so I can visualize these things better. XD
16:22:21 <CmdLnKid> i really need an office ... trade ?
16:23:31 <beowuff> Well, my home office also has my two kids computers in them, so if you want to kid sit a 6 and 9 yo while you work...
16:23:50 <CmdLnKid> hahahaha nah im good i have 7
16:23:59 <beowuff> :)
16:24:00 <CmdLnKid> has had
16:24:14 <CmdLnKid> now they are all grown up
16:24:25 <CmdLnKid> ecept for 1
16:24:31 <CmdLnKid> still got 8 years
16:25:06 <beowuff> At least my 9 yo has expressed interest in programming and FreeBSD/Linux. :D
16:25:22 <CmdLnKid> sad part is... the rest were girls. i have no clue what this 12yo boy wants
16:26:00 <beowuff> Ha! I've got one of each. They are both mysteries to me. But, they keep me on my toes.
16:26:07 <CmdLnKid> been through the girl part but this shit!!! better not be like me
16:26:39 <SymbioticFemale> just take away their android/iphones, give them a freebsd box, show them how to use man pages, then be like "you're welcome" and walk away
16:26:41 <beowuff> My poor son (9yo) is exactly like me. He can hardly get away with anything. But he sure tries!
16:27:13 <beowuff> My daughter has me wrapped around her finger, though.
16:27:41 <CmdLnKid> im pulled in so many directions most times !
16:28:02 <CmdLnKid> 7pm a nice cold beer is now neccesary
16:28:27 <beowuff> Two of the jails on my BSD box are minecraft servers for the kids.
16:28:45 <CmdLnKid> ah nice
16:29:26 <CmdLnKid> when my girls were 6 they were playing counter-strike off my freebsd server but i didn't have jails then
16:30:03 <CmdLnKid> but i only needed one
16:30:32 <CmdLnKid> a spare dell 410 laptop iirc
16:30:43 <beowuff> My son just got me into Fortnight. My old FPS skills from Half-life and Quake III came back quick. I really impressed him and his friends.
16:31:50 <beowuff> Geeze, I still spell that "night" instead of "nite". I can hear the kids heckling me now.
16:31:50 <CmdLnKid> nice. hopefully they solved the uneven skills problems on there for older machines and slower connections cause playing that with less than the newest was a bitch for me
16:32:35 <CmdLnKid> playing from xbox anyway never played from pc where im comfortable with gaming
16:33:10 <beowuff> I play on PC. My son plays on switch. I definitely have an advantage, but we make a really good team.
16:33:31 <CmdLnKid> having 105 keys and all the buttons on a mouse to bind to diff things was the best!
16:34:23 <CmdLnKid> i can't function the way these new kids do on a controller
16:34:52 <beowuff> I tried playing it on Xbox and I couldn't aim for crap.
16:35:00 <CmdLnKid> i can't function the way these new kids do on a controller
16:35:23 <CmdLnKid> f'n trigger script
16:38:10 <CmdLnKid> <<< keyboard warrior. not a controller cunt
16:42:01 <beowuff> Same, but I AM very impressed by people who can do FPS with a controller.
16:42:38 * beowuff shakes fist at Millennials. XD
16:50:31 <vxwarlock> ipfw -q pipe 1 config bw 2800Kbits/s queue 10Kbytes < Is there a limit for queue for dummynet? If yes, how much is the limit?
16:53:03 <Beladona> CmdLnKid ok, anyway to turn on/off the drive despite sata/sas connector?
16:53:42 <CmdLnKid> if its sata or sas you shouldn't need to disconnect it
16:53:54 <CmdLnKid> if its usb i would say so
16:55:15 <Beladona> I want to manually and occasionally disconnect the drives. Those are backup drives and don't need to be pluggedin all the time (reducing their life time)
16:55:40 <CmdLnKid> put them into sleep mode instead
16:55:56 <CmdLnKid> instead of detaching
16:56:06 <CmdLnKid> "standby"
17:03:34 <Beladona> CmdLnKid whats that?
17:03:46 <CmdLnKid> camcontrol(8?)
17:04:53 <CmdLnKid> just cause its attached doesn't mean it needs to be spinning
17:05:13 <Beladona> right. well how to make it unattached then?
17:05:17 <CmdLnKid> ssd brings a diffect to that and may not be needed
17:05:29 <CmdLnKid> see camcontrol man page
17:05:32 <Beladona> oik
17:05:56 <CmdLnKid> that was supposed to be diff effect
17:06:25 <CmdLnKid> i use spinners for backups no matter what
17:07:00 <CmdLnKid> i don't even care about the write and read speeds. just get it on something stable
17:07:20 <CmdLnKid> level 0 is always going to be a bitch
17:07:39 <Beladona> CmdLnKid I read. its standby but doesnt tells what it is. Also there is 'sleep'
17:07:47 <CmdLnKid> after that somewhat smooth sailing but that depends on whats being backed up
17:08:08 <Beladona> then how do I make it usable again? (I assume during standby/sleep, I can't use the drive)
17:08:39 <CmdLnKid> if its in sleep or standby state then it should wake up upon a read or write
17:09:03 <CmdLnKid> otherwise its just sitting there using the least power available
17:14:46 <CmdLnKid> don't know if you have used automount at all but similiar
17:15:02 <CmdLnKid> and you could combine that
17:15:51 <Beladona> doesn't hdd already do this by default?
17:16:11 <Beladona> why not umount instead?
17:16:32 <CmdLnKid> that would be the purpose of automount
17:16:53 <CmdLnKid> not neccesarily a standby state
17:17:39 <Beladona> ok
17:19:02 <CmdLnKid> put it this way. if there is no writes/reads in a spinning disk and you umount then you are relying on the firmware of the disk that may have a defualt of keep spinning. it isn't umount/mount's job to keep track of that
17:19:51 <CmdLnKid> something has to keep track of that mountpoint
17:20:09 <CmdLnKid> and the operations that it performs
17:21:56 <CmdLnKid> if you are not reading/writing then a spinning disk will continue to spin. a standby/sleep mode is induced by other mechs to stop the mechanics of the spinning disk to save the most amount of power possible
17:22:02 <Beladona> CmdLnKid isn't this better than standby/sleep:?   1, zpool export poolhere 2, geli detach /dev/drive 3, umount (optional)?
17:23:18 <CmdLnKid> sure if you want to script that out
17:23:27 <Beladona> so its better?
17:23:43 <CmdLnKid> think thats already been hadled tho through the system utils
17:24:14 <CmdLnKid> camcontrol, powerd, smartctl etc...
17:24:39 <CmdLnKid> automount
17:24:53 <yuripv> repeatedly stopping/starting the spinning rust is what's reducing its life, not continuosly spinning
17:25:25 <CmdLnKid> that you will have to be the judge of yourself as everyones usage is diff
17:26:00 <CmdLnKid> if i fire up a backup disk once a week then camcontrol on my system and powerd may be in effect
17:26:49 <CmdLnKid> if its 6 hours then why ? i might as well let it spin. its all in what you derive
17:27:02 <CmdLnKid> but the utilities are all there
17:28:24 <CmdLnKid> in any less effect freebsd offers you the ability to confront that to your circumstances but should never predict it
17:28:34 <Beladona> ok
17:29:04 <CmdLnKid> which i hope applies to linux but hey, i haven't been there in years
17:30:04 <CmdLnKid> if you have to script it out in freebsd... someone has most likely already done it. if not then consider yourself an entrepeneuer
17:30:37 <Beladona> ok
17:32:47 <CmdLnKid> had a garage server once that served up mp3's to the local 12 apartment community by wifi over a 1/64th mile away. my spinners were asleep most all week till the weekend when all the beer broke out
17:32:57 <mrkubax10> Is there way to uninstall package and it's dependencies via pkg?
17:33:44 <thorre> man pkg says that there is a "delete" option that might be what you are looking for.
17:35:08 <mrkubax10> it doesn't seem to remove dependencies
17:35:20 <CmdLnKid> yeah id say consult the man page on pkg but that can be pretty confusing considering you have to (pkg ver -Ivl'<') to get outdated pkg's
17:35:53 <CmdLnKid> ports or pkgs'
17:35:59 <thorre> :-) then it is "autoremove" you seek. Did you know that you can search in man files with "/" followed by the phrase you are looking for?
17:36:53 <mrkubax10> thanks
17:36:53 <thorre> that us "sudo pkg autoremove" should remove all packages that are abandoned by their dependencies.
17:40:04 <thorre> mrkubax10: https://bsd.to/NxYa/raw
17:40:05 <VimDiesel> Title: NxYa
17:40:58 <thorre> mrkubax10: If you do not have jails you can remove that part of the script. It has served me well for a few years.
17:41:14 <CmdLnKid> backup first
17:41:50 <thorre> CmdLnKid: true
17:58:55 <SymbioticFemale> so in rc.conf, i've got hostapd_flags="" and then when processing additional flags get inserted after
17:59:22 <SymbioticFemale> anyway so i can't put arguments in hostapd_flags because it causes the subsequent flags to be interpretted as arguments
18:01:20 <SymbioticFemale> so uh is there a way to set arguments for hostapd in rc.conf?
18:01:49 <CmdLnKid> /etc/rc.d/defaults/rc.conf ? doesn't contain something ?
18:02:07 <CmdLnKid> maybe its /etc/defaults/rc.d
18:02:13 <CmdLnKid> idn
18:02:32 <CmdLnKid> explore a bit
18:03:44 <SymbioticFemale> /etc/rc.d/hostapd contains "command_args=" which are apparently loaded after whatever i put as flags in rc.conf
18:04:51 <CmdLnKid> maybe a [if] statement in your rc.conf to modify the defaults ?
18:05:08 <CmdLnKid> its just a script anyway
18:10:35 <SymbioticFemale> ok so from reading /etc/rc.d/hostapd, it takes $2 as an arg, which means i can do "service hostapd start wlan0 && service hostapd start wlan1"
18:10:38 <SymbioticFemale> and that works, great.
18:11:05 <SymbioticFemale> now how do i configure my rc.conf to reflect making two calls to start hostapd and passing an arg each time?
18:12:32 <SymbioticFemale> or am i making life to difficult and i should just hostapd_enable="NO" and use rc.local?
18:12:35 <SymbioticFemale> *too
18:12:37 <CmdLnKid> seeing you are using hostapd there is also a /etc/if_${iterface}.[local,conf] interface
18:13:11 <CmdLnKid> when the interface comes up it is executed per interface
18:13:30 <CmdLnKid> i may be misquoting the name
18:13:33 <SymbioticFemale> yeah i suppose that would be another viable option
18:13:53 <SymbioticFemale> i'd like to keep it in rc.conf if possible though
18:14:06 <CmdLnKid> understandbale
19:14:32 <SymbioticFemale> resolved it. removed all attempts to configure hostapd in rc.conf and just added "HOSTAP" to the ifconfig_<if> line, as per rc.conf, then it automatically utilizes /etc/hostapd-<if>.conf
19:15:30 <SymbioticFemale> doing so fixed all of life's problems and now everything works in the correct order. all my years of hacky scripts intended to get everything working on boot can now be deleted because everything just works.
19:16:09 <SymbioticFemale> *as per 'man rc.conf'
19:20:16 <thorre> nice
20:49:51 <jebbus> why should i use FreeBSD?
20:50:13 <jebbus> instead of using OpenBSD as a daily driver
20:54:33 <jkc> jebbus: That's entirely a matter of your own requirements.
20:54:51 <V_PauAmma_V> As worded and with no context, that's a question only you can answer. What do you expect from your daily driver OS?
22:02:06 <debdrup> Not a fan of those kind of questions.
22:15:07 <thumbs> It's usually asked in bad faith.
22:37:19 * V_PauAmma_V usually can't tell until it's too late.
23:16:53 <thumbs> Assuming good faith is generally a good approach, I can't fault you.