01:50:15 <markmcb> sometimes if i restart a jail with an iov network device, e.g., iavf0, the network device never becomes available and it's not possible for the jail to start. it used to be slow, e.g., might take 5-10 seconds for the device to become available. but now it's never. sound familiar? i'm not seeing any reported bugs so hoping there's something simple that might cause this.
01:57:39 <markmcb> and out of curiousity, is there a way to force the device to reappear in the host? like send some command to the pci device?
02:20:08 <SpaceBass> Ok... is there really a 5.38.0_1? This seems odd: pkg: perl5.38-5.38.0 conflicts with perl5-5.38.0_1
02:29:00 <vishwin> yes, it was bumped
02:29:32 <vishwin> but that also looks like inconsistent DEFAULT_VERSIONS
02:30:21 <markmcb> learned a new trick: devctl reset -d iavf0
02:30:34 <markmcb> that resolved my issue
05:59:13 <vxwarlock> Altq vs dummynet which provides a more efficient qos usage ? [ Can anyone share any document or information on this subject?]
07:17:41 <polyex> any way to take a thumb drive freebsd installer is on and find out what version of fbsd it installs?
07:18:20 <polyex> i can reboot into it and see i think but what about from another freebsd without rebooting and just mounting it
07:21:47 <parv> There is "/etc/os-release" which could be checked
07:22:34 <parv> ... may need to be extracted from "base.*"
07:22:41 <polyex> how can i check? i put thumb drive in, gpart show sees it, i try to mount it but mount says invalid fstype: invalid argument
07:24:23 <parv> Have you tried mounting with the file system type listed by "gpart"?
07:26:33 <polyex> nah, don't know how. that in a man page?
07:27:06 <parv> Paste the "gpart list" output for the USB disk
07:27:26 <parv> Sorry, not "list" but "show": gpart show
07:27:59 <parv> mount has "-t" option to specify the file system type
07:28:30 <polyex> parv https://termbin.com/0nxj
07:28:50 <parv> Manual pages: mount(8), gpart(8)
07:29:52 <parv> Try: mount -t ufs /dev/da0s2 /mount/point
07:32:48 <polyex> same error
07:49:03 <polyex> is it not allowed to mount a thumb drive with the fbsd installer already written to it?
07:55:40 <parv> What are the exact error message & the command used?
08:05:46 <polyex> there was 1 more dev that worked. mount /dev/da0s2a ~/mount/point worked
08:06:16 <polyex> da0s2a wasn't shown in gpart show. wtf?
08:14:16 <polyex> why it hide that from me?
13:35:03 <Rue> hello. anyone using the kitty terminal emulator by any chance?
14:22:31 <rtprio> Rue: yes, but not much on freebsd
14:25:37 <CmdLnKid> starting to believe iTerm2 should be ported to all platforms
14:25:52 <turtle> it's pretty great
14:26:57 <CmdLnKid> closest ive come to that on windows is securecrt & putty but those in themself are just meh
14:28:05 <CmdLnKid> im not one for pretty shit besides my wife but honestly functionality lacks hard for terms on other platforms that are not using iTerm2
14:28:34 <CmdLnKid> kitty... just another rxvt
14:31:19 <rtprio> kitty supports images, for whatever that's worth
14:31:37 <rtprio> there were too many whistles and bells in iterm2. in a lot of them, really
14:31:38 <CmdLnKid> yeah its basic at most
14:34:25 <SpaceBass> Just me over here on my 2nd day of going through port options screens :/
14:36:10 <CmdLnKid> lol
14:37:24 <yuripv> CmdLnKid: tried new windows terminal yet? :D
14:37:59 <CmdLnKid> haha powerhell ?
14:38:14 <yuripv> terminal, not shell, you can just `ssh` from it
14:39:05 <CmdLnKid> not much for terminals on windows unless its specific to windows, otherwise install sshd on windows and use iterm from mac
14:39:18 <CmdLnKid> ;)
14:41:16 <CmdLnKid> helps also having macOS installed on a VM just incase you are not on a mac
14:44:17 * CmdLnKid still wondering if i can do this on bhyve
14:44:25 <CmdLnKid> ill get there eventually
14:54:02 <rtprio> hackintoshing a bhyve vm sounds exceedingly difficult
14:54:49 <CmdLnKid> yeah i don't think all the mechs are there for that
14:55:19 <SpaceBass> I can't imagine a good experience running a hack in bhyve
14:55:22 <rtprio> and now even more complicated as its no longer arch amd64
14:55:38 <CmdLnKid> agreed
14:56:16 <SpaceBass> Even running a hack in proxmox is fairly miserable... I have one just for running some AppleScript services and I'm constantly thinking about how to retire it.
14:56:21 <CmdLnKid> debian >>> vbox >>> macOS, but that in itself is still iffy now
14:56:31 <SpaceBass> Sorry... I don't have one.. but if I did, I'd be thinking about how to retire it :)
14:56:40 <CmdLnKid> lol
14:56:47 <SpaceBass> I'd never virtualize MacOS on non-apple hardware
14:57:26 <CmdLnKid> ffft
15:06:21 <markmcb> OS aside, my favorite thing about Mac is the keyboard. haven't taken the time to figure this out on freebsd yet, but the first thing i do on a linux install is map the keys with udev: https://markmcb.com/linux/mac-like-keyboard-in-linux/
15:06:22 <VimDiesel> Title: Mac-like Keyboard in Linux - Mark McBride
15:07:55 <CmdLnKid> markmcb, heck yeah!
15:08:58 <CmdLnKid> dunno why but thats just so natural to me its uncanny
15:09:41 <markmcb> yeah, it just seems much more ergo by default.
15:09:49 <CmdLnKid> i wasn't into mac before around 2015'ish. took me a week to get a grasp vs pc
15:10:22 <CmdLnKid> maybe its how im wired but its just right
15:11:02 <markmcb> Other tip on Mac ergo: get Karabiner and map your capslock to a meta/macro key. then you can do things like capslock-h/j/k/l and have global vim-style arrows
15:11:42 <markmcb> if anyone knows how to do this sort of stuff in FreeBSD i'd be interested to know
15:12:16 <markmcb> most of what i find assumes you're in X
15:12:32 <CmdLnKid> thats funny, spilled beer on this macbook pro 13'ish... have to use karibeener to do this https://capture.dropbox.com/1y27Z6AVWUyUPGEH
15:12:33 <VimDiesel> Title: Dropbox Capture
15:13:10 <markmcb> lol
15:13:18 <CmdLnKid> it eventually dried out and need k to disable the left shift
15:13:34 <CmdLnKid> cause it seems to activate randomly
15:13:48 <CmdLnKid> passwords become a real bitch
15:15:11 * unixman_home looks for the #freebsd channel, since he is apparently in the #macbook channel by mistake :P
15:15:46 <markmcb> unixman_home: i tried to tie it back to freebsd :)
15:17:20 <CmdLnKid> unixman, has been on lsd
15:17:34 <CmdLnKid> ;)
15:33:38 <rtprio> i'm noticing a lot of extra plumbing required for jails to be useful, like creating epairs and so forth
15:33:50 <rtprio> no wonder a lot of folks use jail frameworks
15:34:10 <mason> It's pretty simple to have epairs set up automatically.
15:34:33 <rtprio> cloned_interfaces in rc.conf, right?
15:34:36 <mason> https://wiki.freebsd.org/MasonLoringBliss/JailsEpair
15:34:37 <VimDiesel> Title: MasonLoringBliss/JailsEpair - FreeBSD Wiki
15:34:52 <mason> Yeah, a bridge, and then something that spins them up per jail.
15:35:01 <rtprio> oh even better
15:35:10 <rtprio> i already have bridges since this host runs bhyve
15:36:47 <rtprio> does ${ep} in that example need to be incremended manually for each jail or will that autonumber?
15:41:25 <rtprio> oh nm, i see how it is now
15:41:27 <rtprio> derp
15:46:41 <CmdLnKid> same way vnconfig used to hand assigning interfaces through a script ... VN="$([vn,md]config -c)", then then $VN to define the interface that is available for that ?
15:47:48 <CmdLnKid> sorry i know ... disks vs network
15:48:01 <CmdLnKid> same philosify
15:48:32 <rtprio> no, i didn't read the whole snippet before asking
15:48:33 <CmdLnKid> fuck... and spelling
15:49:19 <rtprio> speaking of command line kid, i worked with a dude who typed the command line so fast it was quicker for him to ^A ^K and retype the whole thing rather than backspace a few times to correct his typo
15:49:38 <rtprio> why he didn't use ^r and fix his mistakes i have no idea
15:50:29 <CmdLnKid> habbits my friend
15:51:14 <CmdLnKid> not the same guy tho
15:55:55 <CmdLnKid> my nick was created somewhere around 2014 after 29 years of linux command line usage after typing a 1 line perl live in front of a friend that was well involved with the command line and compared it to billy the kid
15:56:50 * CmdLnKid used to be that good... but its like a country song now
15:59:36 <CmdLnKid> https://music.apple.com/us/album/as-good-as-i-once-was/1440767613?i=1440767987
15:59:37 <VimDiesel> Title: ‎As Good As I Once Was by Toby Keith on Apple Music
16:05:02 <rtprio> mason: ok i like this so far, but packets are going out but not coming back in
16:06:32 <CmdLnKid> firewall
16:07:06 <rtprio> no firewalls
16:07:39 <rtprio> the jail has the right arp table
16:08:10 <CmdLnKid> nat ?
16:08:45 <rtprio> not even trying to escape the network, yet
16:08:54 <CmdLnKid> k
16:09:14 <rtprio> i see the packets pass through epair to the bridge to the vlan to the lagg outbound
16:10:13 <rtprio> i wonder if i should set this up with a different interface
16:10:18 <CmdLnKid> hmmm
16:20:51 <chriswells0> i'm running freebsd 13.2. i have a network interface set up with 2 vlans. i'd like to use dhcp to obtain static ip addresses and have different hostnames for the ip on each vlan. it seems like it's sending the hostnames (?), but the macs are all the same. this is an example of my config reduced to 1 vlan: https://bsd.to/A77Z/raw
16:20:52 <VimDiesel> Title: A77Z
16:22:07 <chriswells0> the effect is that i only see 1 instance of this pc in my router's client list.
16:23:04 <rtprio> and does the vlan create ok?
16:23:19 <chriswells0> yes. i thought later that i should've included the ifconfig output.
16:23:22 <RhodiumToad> do you control the dhcp server?
16:24:05 <chriswells0> ifconfig: https://bsd.to/crNr/raw
16:24:06 <VimDiesel> Title: crNr
16:24:22 <chriswells0> yes, it's a ubiquiti dream router at home.
16:24:38 <RhodiumToad> how are the vlans configured on the router?
16:25:13 <RhodiumToad> because to do this you need the dhcp server to distinguish between the same mac on different broadcast domains
16:25:35 <RhodiumToad> (the mac addresses being the same is how vlans are supposed to work)
16:26:35 <chriswells0> i do get different ips within the range of each vlan. that part seems to be working.
16:28:10 <chriswells0> but for example, right now i can perform a lookup for foo-lan and get the ip of the physical adapter, but i can't lookup foo-office to get the vlan ip.
16:28:31 <RhodiumToad> what kind of lookup?
16:28:40 <chriswells0> host foo-office
16:31:04 <RhodiumToad> is your dhcp server configured to do dynamic dns updates, or are you manually adding dns entries?
16:31:25 <chriswells0> they're currently dynamic.
16:31:53 <chriswells0> i was planning to make them static for the physical + 2 vlans after i get all 3 to show up.
16:32:21 <RhodiumToad> how are the vlans configured on the router?
16:32:24 <chriswells0> is that dhclient.conf correct for the vlan interface? should i use something else like interface "re0.20"?
16:33:47 <rtprio> chriswells0: i prefer that method over yours but they both should work
16:34:29 <chriswells0> it has a web ui for creating networks. each vlan has a vlan id assigned along with a different /24 cidr and dhcp enabled using a range on that cidr.
16:35:21 <chriswells0> i'm not sure (and may not know) the specific info you're asking about how it's configured since i created it through the web ui.
16:35:49 <RhodiumToad> does the web ui have a way to show the current dhcp leases?
16:36:48 <chriswells0> it shows me all the clients, but it's not showing this host 3 times. i believe that's because of the mac overlap.
16:38:15 <CmdLnKid>  mac overlap ?
16:38:26 <RhodiumToad> I suspect that's not the issue
16:38:31 <chriswells0> physical + 2 vlans with the same mac.
16:38:41 <CmdLnKid> one could only expect a problem with a mac overlap
16:38:53 <RhodiumToad> having the same mac address on all vlans is HOW VLANS WORK
16:39:23 <chriswells0> it could just as easily be a bug in their ui for the same reason.
16:39:38 <RhodiumToad> if you're using dhcp on multiple vlans it's up to the dhcp server to keep them separate
16:39:40 <chriswells0> it doesn't mean it's "wrong."
16:39:40 <CmdLnKid> aware of that. but... why would you do that.... its not scalable
16:39:52 <RhodiumToad> what's not scalable?
16:39:52 <CmdLnKid> convergence
16:40:32 <CmdLnKid> consider converting from one vlan and converging into another to expand
16:41:04 <CmdLnKid> do not ever duplicate anything
16:41:33 <CmdLnKid> if you ever have that then go in a diff direction
16:42:24 <CmdLnKid> there is no reason to have the same mac on a diff interface vlan or otherwise
16:42:28 <chriswells0> maybe the problem is that each vlan is configured to have a dhcp server?
16:43:02 <CmdLnKid> not likely
16:43:06 <chriswells0> if it's running a different dhcp server instance for each vlan, it might now track them well across vlans.
16:44:06 <RhodiumToad> it's not supposed to track them across vlans?
16:44:16 <CmdLnKid> why would you
16:44:49 <CmdLnKid> id redetermine why you are doing it the way you do
16:45:00 <chriswells0> "(12:39:38) RhodiumToad: if you're using dhcp on multiple vlans it's up to the dhcp server to keep them separate" -> it has to know about them to keep them separate, right?
16:45:20 <CmdLnKid> this coming from someone that has migrated clients from one vlan to another
16:46:18 <CmdLnKid> try not to predict where you are coming from, but where you unpreddicatedly are going to
16:46:33 <RhodiumToad> chriswells0: if there are separate dhcp servers on each vlan then they are automatically kept separate, no?
16:49:09 <chriswells0> ok, i was only asking to be sure it shouldn't be managed at a single dhcp server.
16:50:34 <CmdLnKid> if you go out and buy a linksys AP that offers up DHCP which one is prioritized over the other. this is a very admin overhead cost you do not want to afford
16:53:13 <chriswells0> whichever one of the interfaces gets an ip last is the hostname that resolves.
16:53:31 <CmdLnKid> wish that was true
16:54:16 <chriswells0> i'm telling you what i'm seeing--not what you might expect.
16:54:22 <CmdLnKid> ah
16:54:35 <CmdLnKid> see thats what happens
16:55:11 <chriswells0> let's assume that's a bug in the router. what would i need to change in order to send a different mac for the dhcp request?
16:55:38 <CmdLnKid> the hardware config
16:55:39 <chriswells0> is it dhcp-client-identifier in dhclient.conf?
16:59:02 <RhodiumToad> worth a try
17:02:10 <chriswells0> still only 1 shows up in the clients list, but all 3 hostnames resolve now. that's good enough.
17:02:46 <CmdLnKid> don't settlle with good enough
17:02:59 <chriswells0> i need to get some work done today. :)
17:03:18 <CmdLnKid> makes sense
17:03:18 <chriswells0> i'm off tomorrow. maybe i'll care more then.
17:04:05 <chriswells0> thanks to both of you.
18:15:18 <ngortheone> so a stupid question: I have a uefi linux vm running in bhyve using the vm package
18:15:29 <ngortheone> I connected to the conole with "vm console myvm"
18:15:36 <ngortheone> but I can't disconnect from it
18:15:52 <ngortheone> the documented key squence does not work for me: ~+Ctrl+D
18:15:57 <ngortheone> help
18:28:56 <SymbioticFemale> i recently got a microSD card that advertised as "U3" "Class 10" "V30" "SDXC". anyway, dmesg says "[1] mmc0: <MMC/SD bus> on sdhci_pci0" "[2] mmcsd0: 126GB <SDHC SDABC 1.0 SN AA000113 MFG 06/2023 by 111 0x0303> at mmc0 50.0MHz/4bit/65535-block"
18:29:49 <SymbioticFemale> my issue is that transfer speeds are like 10x slower in freebsd than in linux, causing it to overheat(?) and cause i/o errors after transferring like 1-3GB, whereas on linux it can transfer 50+gb
19:01:26 <rtprio> ngortheone: iirc it needs to follow an enter key
19:04:53 <rtprio> SymbioticFemale: is it the same filesystem?
19:08:36 <SymbioticFemale> no filesystem involved i'm talking about straight writes with 'dd'
19:08:56 <SymbioticFemale> writes to the block device
19:10:50 <rtprio> iirc linux has some assumed options with dd. are you sure it might not be ignoring io errors?
19:14:12 <SymbioticFemale> good question. i'll retry the operation with ddrescue and that might solve the non-speed related issue
19:38:33 <ccx> Any read/write errors ought to show up in dmesg in Linux btw
19:39:46 <ccx> Can I / how do I create loopback block device (from plain file)?
20:48:18 <SymbioticFemale> for the record, usage of ddrescue instead of dd not only resolved my issues with read errors but it also somehow resolved the speed issues
20:55:48 <TommyC> magic
20:57:15 <SymbioticFemale> indeed
21:00:29 <pstef> I blame FreeBSD
21:22:13 <SpaceBass> For the life of me, I cannot build lang/rust in poudererie... 13.2-release
21:24:33 <mason> SpaceBass: ENORAM?
21:24:47 <SpaceBass> mason, what's ENORAM?
21:24:57 <mason> Error, insufficient RAM? It's big.
21:25:31 <mason> SpaceBass: Here, look at this too: https://github.com/freebsd/poudriere/issues/888
21:25:33 <VimDiesel> Title: Rust + tmpfs - need a way to selectively not use tmpfs for some packages · Issue #888 · freebsd/poudriere · GitHub
21:25:34 <VimDiesel> 888 – kernel doesn't compile with options DEVFS enabled https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=888
21:25:35 <SpaceBass> Could be... I'll try again and watch
21:25:55 <mason> Check that out before trying again. Might be useful. TL;DR disable tmpfs maybe.
21:27:14 <SpaceBass> It's only building as a dependency for something else... can I just pkg install it inside the jail? I dont need to build it from source, per se
21:27:34 <mason> I think there's a way to do that but I don't know what it is.
21:27:49 <mason> There's #poudriere, perhaps both here and on efnet, that would likely know.
21:28:35 <mason> In fact, I should join those.
21:29:03 <mason> If you ask and someone answers, then I learn too. :)
21:29:37 <meka> SpaceBass, you can use poudriere-devel and "-b latest" where "latest" can also be "quarterly"
21:30:00 <mason> meka: Does that support binary build deps?
21:30:02 <SpaceBass> To pull a newer version of the port?
21:30:24 <meka> For example, this is the command I used today "poudriere testport -j 13amd64 -p local -b latest devel/py-factory-boy"
21:30:43 <mason> meka: It's likely an issue running out of resources more than a bug in the version of the port he's got.
21:30:52 <meka> the way it works is that if it can, it will use pkg to install binary, otherwise it will build it
21:30:56 <SpaceBass> I'll watch top and try again
21:30:58 <mason> aha
21:31:06 <SpaceBass> It's a vm, I can throw more ram at it if I need to
21:31:12 <mason> meka: This is new in poudriere-devel then?
21:31:21 <meka> mason, correct
21:31:24 <mason> Nice.
21:32:01 <meka> I'm using it for few months, not sure if it got to stable version
21:32:35 <SpaceBass> Ive got 500gb of disk space available, assuming the jail isn't constrained
21:33:04 <SpaceBass> So far, compile is using 5G out of 12G of ram
21:34:42 <SpaceBass> Is there a better way to monitor this than top?
21:37:30 <meka> SpaceBass, poudriere has web UI
21:37:43 <meka> Maybe it's sufficient for what you want to monitor?
21:37:44 <SpaceBass> I've got it
21:37:59 <meka> I wouldn't really count on it, but maybe ...
21:39:57 <rtprio> hrm, i can't get my jails to talk with epair
21:40:09 <rtprio> it seems the packets go out, but not back, it seems
21:40:12 <rtprio> anythings i can check?
22:34:25 <mason> rtprio: probably worth grabbing a pcap
23:04:28 <SpaceBass> Ive fallen so far down this rabbit hole and broken a server (thank goodness for a backup) ... I built freeradius3 with pouderie using heimdal, but whenever I try and install it, pkg insists on installing MIT kerberos which will really break things
23:09:32 <rtprio> SpaceBass: if you built the ports on the system, i suspect you won't have a problem
23:09:44 <rtprio> mason: i'll try that
23:09:58 <SpaceBass> rtprio, im trying to move away from ports and use pouderie
23:10:56 <rtprio> then maybe make config to force no mit kerberos
23:11:14 <SpaceBass> Did that too :/
23:11:41 <SpaceBass> And cleaned the configs for all the dependencies... I cannot find MIT anywhere... and anything with an option is set to heimdal
23:12:14 <rtprio> well something has to be doing it
23:12:54 <rtprio> mason: i can see the outgoing packets hit the wire, it appears but nothing comes back and i'm not sure where to locate that
23:26:32 <ccx> How can I list valid root device specifications for loader/fstab?
23:28:03 <rtprio> ccx: what are you trying to do?
23:30:09 <ccx> rtprio: set boot device in a way it doesn't get renumbered. Either by physical bus ID or some metadata. I know loader shown me a list on prompt, but I'm not sure how to get it from running system.
23:31:18 <ccx> I've set label via tunefs -L but I'm not sure how to specify that as device name exactly
23:32:03 <ccx> And mount/fstab/loader.conf manpages weren't of much help.
23:40:41 <mason> rtprio: I'd grab a pcap further down the line - see if they make it off the box.
23:40:45 <mason> brb
23:45:07 <SpaceBass> I just dont get it... if I install something from /usr/ports eg lang/perl5.38 and then try and use pkg add to pull a pouderie package (eg net/freeradius3) it tries to re-install perl5.38 and fails
23:45:25 <SpaceBass> They are the exact same minor version number
23:46:22 <SpaceBass> Its like pkg has no awareness of ports?
23:49:58 <yuripv> ports are just used to build packages, pkg only needs to know about packages
23:50:30 <yuripv> does it try to reinstall perl saying something about changed options?
23:58:28 <SpaceBass> It says it conflicts and then fails
23:59:39 <rtprio> ccx: i think you need glabel