02:42:40 I'm about 3 months into FreeBSD. Feeling pretty confident lately (headless server, so everything is cli). Big thanks to everyone in here who has helped me get up to speed! :) 02:44:58 Congrats! 06:44:01 what would be a proper locking directory for a user ran service ? would /var/run/lock/app changed to +w for the user be ok? (need to be portable with linux) 07:06:28 micdud: i don't think und lock directory needs to be a global one. you'd have a directory for the service. it would be somewhere in /var and in there, you'd have a directory for holding locks 08:02:04 How do I get permission as user to ifconfig up/down network interfaces? 08:37:14 kenrap: sudo/doas, you can explicit set the allowed command 08:43:04 Now I'm even more confused. Why does networkmgr explicitly run those kind of commands without using sudo/doas? 08:58:32 neither is guaranteed to be installed 09:02:25 Is "networkmgr" from The Ports? Could add a dependency🤷🏽‍♂️ 10:30:30 You might be able to adjust the group permissions of the nodes using devfs, and then add yourself to the group that has the permissions - but it's not without a certain amount of risk. 10:38:01 hi, I need to edit the crontab of a jail that is shut down. Why?, because it has a @reboot task that I don't want to run when I start the jail. Now the /etc/crontab is different than the one that I edit using "cronab -e", where is that file? 10:39:30 found it. It's in /var/cron/tabs/root 10:56:12 add 11:34:53 debdrup: perhaps that's what ghostbsd does and I'm just helping out with networkmgr for fun. And gotcha, I wouldn't want to take that kind of risk. 11:39:08 I'm trying to set it up to reproduce a github issue and see what I can do solve it. 11:42:00 hi all ^.^ 11:42:27 hey there 11:50:46 So I'm trying to build a Firefox clone, called LibreWolf, on freebsd. It fails with a `ERROR: Could not find libclang to generate rust bindings for C/C++. Please install the necessary packages.` 11:51:58 You probably might want to ask that in #freebsd-ports instead. 11:52:33 oh, thanks :o) 11:52:45 sure thing 11:58:04 I could switch from archlinux to freebsd, the only hard requirements would be to have ext4fs support in the kernel builtin, and the ability to run VirtualBox. Both things are well supported is my impression 12:03:15 why ext4? 12:03:18 and virtualbox is fine 12:09:49 sorry from joining/quitting all the time, i'm trying to make my irc.conf work :/ 12:10:32 why ext4? 12:10:33 and virtualbox is fine 12:11:05 that's a slow long term storage that requires it.. i'll just use zfs on my ssd ofcourse 12:21:36 ext4 on regular disk partitions? 12:24:39 it's a slow disk for backups, it's size makes it impossible to move anywhere else. I also might need to move to Qubes some point next year, and qubes doesn't like zfs.. so I'm stuck with it for now 12:32:36 just mentioning that linux's lvm isn't supported 12:33:40 oh, okay, sorry :) Yeah, it's not lwm, it's just regular disk partition. 12:40:14 yep, that might work, i haven't tried ext4 in freebsd yet 12:42:01 ext4 is not supported well on FreeBSD (even with fusefs). it can be used for accessing files and maybe writing at times but not for regular use 12:43:00 aww thats a shame 12:44:47 hmm so I got myself a puzzle then. ext2? 12:45:46 hello. i have a laptop with Freebsd 13.2-RELEASE-p2 running x11 and kde plasma5. everything was working great. last night i ran pkg upgrade which updated kde-plasma from 5.26 to 5.27. now when i log in, it shows the kde splash with the spinning gear, but then stays on black screen with just the cursor 12:45:58 opalraava: ext2fs works fine on both. i think zfs should work on linux but i'm not sure 12:46:12 there are no errors in Xorg.0.log, no errors in sddm...the desktop just does not render 12:46:52 anyone aware of issues with plasma 5.27? i think i'm using quarterly pkgs. using Intel graphics 12:47:04 is it possible to rollback pkg upgrade? 12:47:50 i do have zfs snapshots, but i'm hoping i can do a more graceful rollback or find a fix... 12:48:31 opalraava: can you do it readonly? 13:00:32 hmmz, no.. 13:08:33 How is that possible that my fstab does not include the system and boot partition but the system boots up with no issue? 🙄 13:08:56 its called zfs properties 13:09:08 and the bootloader does the rest 13:09:27 CmdLnKid: so zfs does not require any fstab entry? 13:09:38 no 13:10:00 you also have boot environments available 13:10:02 i don't think boot/root were really needed in ufs case as well? 13:10:47 (didn't do ufs install in more than 10 years, don't remember) 13:10:49 CmdLnKid: Oh nice. Thanks. only my proc and one ntfs drive are mounted in fstab now. All good. 😊 13:11:09 yay, i fixed it! had some messed up permissions /tmp/runtime-user dir...that was bizzare 13:11:15 thx everyone :) 13:11:19 tyler82, yw 13:12:05 tyler82, as well i believe there may be a section in the handbook that explains it a little more than i can elaborate here 13:12:31 or at least minimal give you a rough understanding of the process 13:14:07 CmdLnKid: to be honestvi havent find it on handbook. googling on fbsdforums or any bsd related forums are better as explaining real situations with real commands. Handbook is very theoretical for me. 13:14:39 * CmdLnKid havent had to read it in years 13:15:01 ive been following current & stable commits forever now 13:18:02 ok, i'm having another problem now. in kde, i no longer get the restart/shutdown options...only log out 13:18:03 man zfsbootcfg and see "SEE ALSO" section and read through the man "section subject" 13:18:18 in sddm, i do have restart/shutdown; but not in kde 13:19:42 bectl will be your friend 13:22:07 tyler82: is not covered yet, we're working into a new edition of the handbook 13:22:15 the idea is to cover ZFS boot too 13:22:32 surprised it isn't covered yet 13:22:41 thats always been a staple here 13:23:33 assuming, which i hate to do... that its in a wiki on freebsd.org 13:23:35 carlavilla: nice. Also a good advice. Make sure u do an "example" section where u do real commands with different scenarios. 13:24:19 np 13:24:20 :) 13:26:45 anyone know why when I tab complete a command it doesn't add a space afterward for the next argument? 13:27:16 it works for commands in $PATH but not for scripts 13:28:58 thats because scripts unless you added a completion for are as is 13:30:13 ofcourse you could do that for anything ending in (.sh|.csh|.bash|.zsh) 13:32:49 My biggest problem is on my fbsd learning curve is the man page. Fore example yesterday i was playing with custom install from shell. i was looking for gpart delete a partition. however delete is explained amd tons of flags and option etcetera. But i was looking for the real syntax of the command how to use. gpart delete ada0p11 or gpart delete ada0 i 11 or gpart delete -i p11 or what? then 13:32:49 finally i have found it on some forum. not even official freebsd forum. gpart delete -i 11 ada0. But apart from weak examples fbsd documentation is very good. 😊 Many times i just dont need the full explanation of each flags and options of the command. i just want to use it. I will learn what it does in the real situation anyway. 😁 13:35:05 try to understand the structure of the commands first. they'll usually always follow thru to everything else 13:35:27 it clearly says: gpart delete -i index [-f flags] geom, so why you would think it's "gpart delete ada0p11" or "gpart delete ada0 i 11"? 13:36:01 shifting focus from ufs and slices to something like gpart from mbr is a learning curve itself 13:36:11 yuripv: not clearly if u are noob...🙄 like me😆 13:36:40 tyler82: there's even "Deleting Partitions and Destroying the Partitioning Scheme" example in there 13:36:58 yuripv: Yes i saw them.... 13:39:14 * CmdLnKid loves gpart/zfs. gpart is the pizza, a partition is the designation area of ingrediants and zfs create are the ingrediants added 13:40:56 zfs create zroot/sauce/cheese/{pep,sausage,ham,...} 13:41:50 fuck! going to order a pizza now at 08:41 in the morning 14:17:48 pizza early, pizza often 14:18:11 ;) 14:20:18 ima just call this brunch ;) 14:23:34 if i keep this up the local pizza joint is going to put me on speed dial 14:25:07 if you are in the milwaukee area keep marco's in mind https://www.marcos.com 14:25:08 Title: Marcos.com 14:25:43 would love to see a freebsd conf here 14:26:36 I had an awakening when the manager of the then-local burger place recognized my voice and pre-recited my usual order to me when I called from an unknown number without introducing myself 14:27:56 thats pretty common where i live. at least with myself and the burger and pizza joints. 3/5 already recognize me 14:28:47 suspecting my phone number being linked somewhere among employees that i regularyly talk to 14:32:38 hometown joint: https://www.vitaleszeeland.com considering i grew up there this was the local lunch hour highschool joint to grab a slice or two before 5th hour 14:32:39 Title: Vitale’s – Zeeland – Vitale's Zeeland is the perfect place for family and friends to enjoy great food and drinks! 14:33:16 best pizza ive ever had owned by the italian mob 14:33:28 ;-) 14:35:59 anyway back on subject 14:55:50 if i want to make a full system backup with rsnapshot which folders needs to exclude?? i guess mnt media (i just want to make backup about the system itself but not the attached storage mediums) tmp but var and usr not sure.... 14:56:44 I'd take var and usr, but not tmp and dev 14:57:57 oh dev. i forgot that 14:58:25 what about var/lib? 14:59:52 Probably 15:00:53 Is there anything in there you'd want to retain? 15:01:31 for ref ive only had export/var 14.9M 64.6G 19K /export/var 15:01:34 export/var/log 14.9M 64.6G 14.9M /var/log 15:02:44 if you are retaining anything make your backup solution and snapshots centric to that 15:02:55 proc exclude too if mounted 15:03:07 for sure 15:03:16 proc isn't zfs 15:04:15 so proc tmp mnt media and dev. the rest could be backupable 15:05:56 zfs snapshot -r / ... evrything under that is snapshotted its your choice as to what subset of that you want. 15:07:10 combinded with a send/recv you have exactly what you ask for 15:07:16 CmdLnKid: no. i am talking about rsnapshot. not zfs snapshot. that is already done. 😁 15:07:40 ah 15:08:10 i do double backup. just in case.... 15:08:10 rsnapshot is a diff case 15:08:13 CmdLnKid: now i want pizza 15:08:25 dev isn't zfs too… 15:08:26 tyler82: i do zfs snapshots via zrepl, and then borgbackup 15:08:38 demosthenex, much abliged 15:09:40 Demosthenex: borg was giving me error even if i had run as root... some symlink issue. restic also. 15:14:19 What it does really work for me is Timeshift. but unfortunatelly no FBSD version of it. 🙄 15:17:42 how deep do you really want to go... snapshots or clonezilla ? 15:19:16 snapshots are great for filesystem related data that you depend on restoring in the event of say a ransomwware attack. 15:20:03 but your base 0 restores ... send/recv/clonezilla 15:21:02 getting a feeling you need more exposure here 15:22:47 no experience here with timeshift 15:23:06 and cannot see a need for it 15:34:09 hi guys. any recommendation for a single UFS partition > 40TB ? (FFSv2 and default SUJ) 15:49:31 don't think UFS is a good fit for that large of a partition 15:51:03 well, since I have hardware raid and can't get rid of it, ZFS isn't an option. 15:51:58 okay, well is what it is then 15:52:10 just wondering if there's some recommendation to make sure fsck will run etc... (I have another fbsd13 system with a 20TB fs that can't get clean, fsck segfault at some point) 15:53:11 irda: it should run if the filesystem isn't unmounted cleanly 15:53:28 but oof. 15:54:22 rtprio: well, fsck should fix unclean FS... right? so expecting it to run only when it has been cleanly unmount ... 15:56:39 are snapshots enabled? 15:56:50 i had problems in the past with fsck and when that was on 15:57:56 oh nevermind, looks to be fixed, https://www.freebsd.org/status/report-2022-10-2022-12/ufs_snapshots/ 15:57:57 Title: The FreeBSD Project 17:06:19 right. so don't crash and avoid power outages and you should be good 18:41:36 yes, just plan on never having anything go wrong, everything should be fine then 18:41:46 works 100% of the time, every time 19:04:56 dkeav: shit hitting the fan is just normal, because when it does go wrong you didn't plan for it anyway 19:06:25 i don't understand the airplane crashing checklist... there's not even enough time to go through it 19:40:39 who wants to answer this bug report https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=272944 by perpetuating cargo cult? 19:40:41 Title: 272944 – Vnet performance issues 19:41:23 see https://cathode.church/@meena/110714341071855602 in case you're wondering what the semi secret cargo cult is 19:41:25 Title: Mina: "once again, i'm getting bitten by #FreeBSD's [`vt…" - Cathode Church 19:42:21 vnet != vtnet 19:42:34 does epair have the same issue as vtnet? 19:42:47 someone teach my brain reading, please 19:46:05 I'm not sure why someone wouldn't expect a nontrivial performance hit when inserting what amounts to a software-driven switch in the data path at >10Gbps speeds 19:52:14 I wonder how others do 20:00:55 crossbow! 20:02:15 rip solaris 20:02:32 * dkeav shakes fist at oracle 20:03:28 dkeav: you could do that for lots of software 20:03:41 indeed 20:04:03 it's like the midas touch, but instead of gold whatever ellison touches turns to feces 20:04:32 Does he have donkey ears too? 20:46:39 yea, give him a lick, tastes just like raisens 21:04:59 spicy noodles, I like that 21:23:10 dkeav: Oracle's a big free software supporter. New OpenSolaris any day now, for sure! 21:36:49 har har 21:58:09 mason: yea annnnnny day now