00:31:00 <trench> https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/please-consider-helping-our-release-manager.89826/
00:31:01 <VimDiesel> Title: Please consider helping our Release Manager. | The FreeBSD Forums
02:44:57 <_xor> RhodiumToad: Looking at the man page now, and it's -b not -B. Though I just noticed this blurb...
02:45:19 <_xor> "poudriere will only use packages that: come from a repository having the same or older version of pkg"
02:45:35 <_xor> oh wait
02:45:41 <_xor> It literally means pkg.
02:45:53 <_xor> (I think)
05:37:42 <_xor> What's going to be the best way to get the blocksize of a USB drive?
05:44:39 <angry_vincent> diskinfo maybe?
05:44:50 <_xor> Yeah, I just used that.
06:26:28 <tivolo> hi all. if i call "ifconfig <interface> create": does it make a difference on the created interface in term of how the <interface> is called (e.g. wlan, bridge, wg, ...)?
06:55:14 <bapt> yuripv: great you managed to do the update I tried for CLDR 42 and it failed somewhere with a stacktrace, it was on my TODO to have a deeper look ;)
07:02:27 <tercaL> Hi, after freebsd-update fetch install, and a reboot, I now cannot connect to my server, my ssh client gives: End of keyboard-interactive prompts from server - Server refused to allocate pty
07:02:48 <tercaL> Tried to clean my .ssh_known file on my Windows computer, didn't change anything.
07:02:56 <tercaL> Any clue?
07:09:04 <tehpeh> tercaL: was it the server you updated?
07:09:37 <tercaL> Yes, 13.2.
07:09:54 <tehpeh> Did you get a chance to run etcupdate?
07:10:11 <tehpeh> Or that's probably not required for freebsd-update
07:10:13 <tercaL> tehpeh: I did only freebsd-update fetch install, and then reboot. As usual, as always.
07:10:45 <tehpeh> Hmmm can you get console access to inspect?
07:11:57 <tehpeh> No ideas sorry
07:38:33 <sukamu> Hello, I am having video performance issues in FreeBSD 13.2 with the i915kms driver, the computer is a thinkpad x260, I installed xf86-intel-driver and xorg was installed with "pkg install xorg"
07:38:45 <sukamu> It's like the video is slow, but the cpu usage is not high, nor is the RAM usage or anything else
08:33:56 <terminaldweller> rt
08:38:00 <sukamu> does anyone else have bad performance with intel graphics?
08:44:35 <tyler82> I did fresh install manually freebsd. 480M efi partition for boot and 99G zfs. but this ssd has got 11 different partitions more. Ext4 and NTFS. But freebsd does not see any. Even if i installed fuse-ntfs and fuse-ext2 packages and modify loader.conf and rc.conf adding fuse to kernel at bootup. 🙄
08:44:35 <tyler82> No such geom.
08:45:51 <megaTherion> tyler82: more info required
08:45:56 <megaTherion> gpart show or some suhc
08:48:32 <tyler82> megaTherion: gpart show is listing up all the partitions
08:48:34 <easye> Mornin'  I have a long running system based on ZFS that has been upgraded to 13.2 that is still.  In trying to tune things a bit I noticed that a fair number of the sysctl values documented in <https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/zfs/#zfs-advanced-tuning> don't seem to exist, such as  vfs.zfs.vdev.max_pending.  My zpool has been upgraded to the latest.
08:48:35 <VimDiesel> Title: Chapter 22. The Z File System (ZFS) | FreeBSD Documentation Portal
08:49:16 <easye> Does the documentation there not reflect the current status?  zfs version shows zfs-2.1.9-FreeBSD_g92e0d9d18
08:49:21 <megaTherion> tyler82: so give us a url with the paste
08:53:14 <tyler82> megaTherion: Ok. one sec
08:53:31 <megaTherion> also not sure where yo uget "no such geom" ... if gpart list's them then its fine ;)
08:53:37 <megaTherion> so you get "No such geom" upon mounting something?
08:54:50 <tyler82> megaTherion: probably because i did gdisk partition sorting on linux on the whole drive and geom has been destroyed....🙄 or no clue....
08:55:01 <megaTherion> I doubt it... GPT is a standard
08:55:10 <megaTherion> gdisk does what gpart does on FreeBSD
09:00:35 <tyler82> megaTherion: https://pasteboard.co/tqLKMjE08xYo.png
09:01:01 <megaTherion> looks fine
09:01:19 <megaTherion> so which do you want to mount?
09:01:54 <tyler82> megaTherion: p9 the 362G
09:02:14 <tyler82> ntfs
09:02:52 <megaTherion> not sure why it's not showing the disk path on gpart
09:02:59 <megaTherion> you know which device it is?
09:03:26 <tyler82> megaTherion: ada0. same on where freebsd is running
09:03:37 <megaTherion> ok so /dev/ada0p9
09:03:43 <megaTherion> you could verify with, file -s /dev/ada0p9
09:03:53 <tyler82> freebsd is ada0p12
09:03:55 <megaTherion> if you get an NTFS signature then you know it's the correct device
09:04:30 <megaTherion> or I think ntfs-3g has things like ntfsinfo, though Im not using NTFS
09:05:11 <tyler82> megaTherion: can not open device dev/ada0p9 no such file or directory
09:05:56 <megaTherion> tyler82: then you don't have /dev/ada0*
09:06:34 <megaTherion> if your sys is right now on that disk, I wonder why df doesn't show any kind of output
09:06:54 <megaTherion> df should show / ... all the zfs datasets etc.
09:07:44 <megaTherion> what's telling mount?
09:08:44 <tyler82> megaTherion:  https://pasteboard.co/Lk9869rMAKce.png
09:08:45 <VimDiesel> Title: Pasteboard - Uploaded Image
09:10:37 <megaTherion> tyler82: maybe check mount too, it can be da0 or nvd0... depends on what kind of disk it is
09:11:06 <megaTherion> or just check out what /dev offers... with so many partitions it should be easy to find
09:11:38 <tyler82> megaTherion: https://pasteboard.co/hLrNn16RnRbM.png
09:11:39 <VimDiesel> Title: Pasteboard - Uploaded Image
09:11:53 <megaTherion> I noticed you have two ESPs?
09:12:20 <megaTherion> p3, p4, p11 you are supposed to only have one
09:12:24 <tyler82> megaTherion: three
09:12:48 <megaTherion> I think this is not guaranteed to work by the standard as there can only be one ESP per device
09:13:04 <tyler82> ESP i have. one for linix one for windows and one for bsd
09:13:11 <megaTherion> this isn't how this works
09:13:19 <megaTherion> you put all the boot files on one ESP
09:13:27 <megaTherion> it's not per installed OS
09:14:45 <tyler82> i know. but this is my testing hard drive so easier to remove freebsd  if it is on separate esp. p4 is the "real" partition for it anyway.
09:15:47 <tyler82> p4 booting up four OSes. but p11 only for bsd
09:16:07 <megaTherion> very confusing ;)
09:16:08 <tyler82> and p3 only for windows
09:16:11 <megaTherion> but as said, not how this works
09:16:25 <tyler82> megaTherion: do not worry about those
09:16:35 <megaTherion> I don't, it's not my sys );
09:16:57 <megaTherion> so all you need to do is figuring out what your real devpath is... ls /dev/*p9 or some such
09:17:00 <megaTherion> can't be too hard
09:17:12 <megaTherion> if it isn't ada then it's some other ... also dmesg can tell you
09:18:10 <tyler82> ls does not find. no such file or directory  see on the last pasteimage. bottom.
09:19:31 <tyler82> *p9 no match
09:20:08 <megaTherion> you didnt paste that one yet?
09:20:24 <megaTherion> https://pasteboard.co/hLrNn16RnRbM.png was the last one so far
09:20:26 <VimDiesel> Title: Pasteboard - Uploaded Image
09:21:15 <tyler82> megaTherion: thats the one. p9 no such file or directory
09:21:27 <megaTherion> I dont see ls there, sorry
09:23:15 <tyler82> megaTherion: https://pasteboard.co/c47QmvKaspgi.png
09:23:16 <VimDiesel> Title: Pasteboard - Uploaded Image
09:24:50 <megaTherion> so no device
09:25:24 <megaTherion> very strange setup
09:26:59 <megaTherion> I guess a whole dmesg output is in order
09:27:32 <megaTherion> tyler82: was this working at some point?
09:28:24 <sukamu> I'm having a video performance issue with Intel graphics card, it's like the windows and stuff are lagged. here's my xorg log: https://ss.suragu.net/f/aquqs/xorglog.txt
09:28:24 <megaTherion> camcontrol devlist could also be interesting
09:33:46 <megaTherion> tyler82: I guess this is a laptop kind of device? Is the disk an nvme?
09:34:06 <tyler82> megaTherion: no. 2.5 inch SSD
09:34:36 <megaTherion> tyler82: well I'd recommend a full dmesg output and maybe camcontrol devlist can reveal something
09:34:50 <megaTherion> the setup is definetly weird, maybe causing device not being registered.. I dont know
09:35:04 <megaTherion> 3 ESPs are not allowed... whether this is now 'cause of this or something else...
09:35:17 <megaTherion> tyler82: on boot up you can also enable debug mode which gives you extensive logging
09:35:58 <tyler82> Ok. i have got previous installation with those esp-s and it was no issue with mounting ntfs
09:36:19 <tyler82> but yesterday i did clean install.
09:36:46 <megaTherion> this is not a clean install
09:38:08 <tyler82> However i did manuall install on bsdconfig and i did not gave the name i wanted for the pool....so i did on linux zpool import -f root ALPHAint
09:38:21 <tyler82> then zpool export.
09:40:05 <tyler82> then i have got fsck manually check error on bootup even if i gave the new mountpoint. the only way to bootup was to umcommemt boot paetition on fstab
09:40:25 <tyler82> megaTherion: then reinstall. sorry.
09:40:44 <megaTherion> I advice against several OS' on a single disk, it's basically asking for problems but ... *shrugs*
09:40:53 <megaTherion> VMs are a much better solution
09:41:53 <tyler82> megaTherion: Ok. i am testing freebsd  on mutiboot  environment. thats why i got this setup now.
09:42:27 <megaTherion> tyler82: use a VM then.
09:42:42 <tyler82> megaTherion: also using VM
09:42:52 <megaTherion> problem solved :)
09:43:11 <tyler82> megaTherion: not really. 😞
09:43:44 <megaTherion> tyler82: only standards are supported... you can break your sys in many ways
09:43:53 <debdrup> If you're using a hypervisor, which is designed to limited the executing environment of whatever's running in it, how can you expect it to see the other partitions?
09:44:49 <tyler82> debdrup: this is baremetal. the vm setup is on my other laptop. ,😁
09:49:31 <megaTherion> tyler82: if you wanna continue, maybe you can fetch 'camcontrol devlist'... I'd just be curious
09:49:37 <megaTherion> I consider that sys borked but... its interesting
09:52:24 <tyler82> megaTherion: yeah. definiatelly i will. anyway this is just testing install so i dont store any important data on it. So nothing to lose. 😁But i am just curious also whats causing the issue...
09:55:15 <megaTherion> tyler82: if you need a 4th OS, just throw Oi on it too :D
09:55:21 <megaTherion> lets make the confusion complete
09:55:28 <parv> :-]
09:55:43 <tyler82> And also one thing might be important. The previous install was also manual but i did it on an other "spare" laptop. which has been died. 😬 So i have got these "new spare" laptop and i have pluged the ssd. and was working. To detect   the ntfs and ext4 partitions  was no issue at all. The problem is now on the new installation...🤔
09:57:50 <tyler82> megaTherion: 4th OS i need it for android apks. its PrimeOS. I need that. 😁
13:21:33 <Demosthenex> anyone have pointers on how i can improve my wifi performance? freebsd 13.2 thinkpad t480, iwm driver. i keep getting stalls. trying to get some debugging data to see what the issue is
14:49:48 <CrtxReavr> Are you an Android, or an iPhone?
14:53:41 <CrtxReavr> Demosthenex?
14:54:00 <CrtxReavr> hmmm
14:54:01 <CrtxReavr> WTF
14:55:37 <rtprio> ?  i didn't see him mention a phone
14:57:14 <CmdLnKid> ${phonehome}
15:06:58 <CrtxReavr> rtprio, I never said he did.
15:07:44 <CrtxReavr> Point is, for Androids, there's multiple free & useful tools for troubleshooting wifi.
15:08:05 <CrtxReavr> For iPhones, not so much. . . not without whipping out a credit card, anyways.
15:12:51 <CrtxReavr> From my experience, wifi either "works" (for various values of "work") or it doesn't. . .
15:13:36 <CrtxReavr> And if it "works" poorly, it's generally environmental or WAP config issus.
15:13:51 <CrtxReavr> And that's universal, no matter what the OS or platform.
15:13:57 <Demosthenex> CrtxReavr: i do have an android phone i can use for troubleshooting, but its a freebsd server ;]
15:14:01 <Demosthenex> er, laptop
15:14:27 <Demosthenex> i have a wifi signal mapper, and it looks below average but tolerable
15:14:42 <CrtxReavr> Demosthenex, there's an app on Google Play called "Wifi Analyzer."
15:14:44 <Demosthenex> i feel like the laptop is performing worse than it should for this mediocre connection
15:15:16 <Demosthenex> part of it is statistics, trying to get signal strength has been hard on freebsd
15:15:19 <CrtxReavr> It'll give you a good idea of signal strength, channels in use, other SSIDs (parked on the same channels), etc.
15:15:20 <Demosthenex> that's why i asked about tools
15:36:43 <CmdLnKid> try disabling any location services and bluetooth.that can play a major part in it
15:37:09 <CmdLnKid> checksum offloading as well
16:21:15 <rwp> After the recent 13.2-RELEASE-p2 freebsd-update now is nagging me about my local modifications to /etc/ssh/sshd_config file.
16:21:21 <rwp> https://bsd.to/9XL4/raw
16:21:27 <VimDiesel> Title: 9XL4
16:21:45 <megaTherion> isnt a problem
16:21:53 <rwp> How can I have freebsd-update install the new version of the file so that I can modify it again so that it stops nagging at me for it?
16:22:11 <megaTherion> its no 'pause' you just press q and continue, it's an information
16:22:31 <rwp> The only problem is one of user-interface from the utility because it asks that that EACH AND EVERY TIME.  I am tired of it.  I want to have it done.
16:22:56 <megaTherion> what user interface?
16:23:06 <Demosthenex> CrtxReavr: so where do you see signal strength in fbsd?
16:23:11 <rwp> freebsd-update
16:23:16 <megaTherion> rwp: you do that a single time?
16:23:26 <rwp> I do that every day on my desktop system.
16:23:27 <megaTherion> in a couple of weeks/month, why would you be annoyed by this
16:23:31 <megaTherion> *uff*
16:23:32 <megaTherion> no need
16:24:01 <megaTherion> guess you can cron it
16:24:03 <rwp> I am not otherwise paying attention to the news and would not otherwise know when updates are available and flowing.
16:24:24 <rwp> It shows up in the cron output too.
16:24:44 <CrtxReavr> Demosthenex, been a while. . . but I would suspect in the sysctl tree somewhere.
16:28:18 <megaTherion> rwp: I think there is a different way overriding sshd config, like /etc/ssh.d ...
16:32:15 <RhodiumToad> rwp: have you modified freebsd-update.conf at all? I think the default is supposed to do a merge
16:32:49 <RhodiumToad> or have you modified sshd_config such that it no longer resembles the original at all?
16:33:14 <rwp> RhodiumToad, I have not modified freebsd-update.conf and it does still say "MergeChanges /etc/ /boot/device.hints" there.
16:33:31 <RhodiumToad> I'm wondering if the UpdateIfUnmodified is overriding that
16:33:47 <RhodiumToad> it's not supposed to
16:34:40 <rwp> I don't recall having seen this behavior until the recent -p2 which I installed when it became available.  Pretty sure previously it was simply merged once and then done.
16:35:11 <rwp> I might have to dig through the freebsd-update script and figure it out.  Since I am the one annoyed by it. :-}
16:36:37 <Demosthenex> CrtxReavr: ifconfig wlan0 list scan
16:39:09 <megaTherion> rwp: well you are maybe over-annoyed by it, I wouldnt bother at all... sure you can tinker with it, hack yourself thru it... I think the warning itself is a new thing but it's also a good idea as an complete upgrade shouldn't be taken lightly
16:39:41 <megaTherion> I wonder but if there are no updates, which is often the case - you wont see it or?
16:41:58 <rwp> I have fully updated several systems and on every system I see the pause in less reviewing the file list including only that file every time it is run.  The other files which were locally modified such as /etc/passwd and such were merged and done.  But the sshd_config file is paused in less for review each and every time.
16:43:17 <rwp> I have limited time today.  Then I am offline for a week on travel.  If it is still a problem two weeks from now I will dig through freebsd-update and figure it out.
19:03:56 <antranigv> Is there a list of pf features between FreeBSD and OpenBSD?
19:04:03 <antranigv> like, pf comparison?
19:23:30 <mason> antranigv: There was a note about FreeBSD being updated to a specific date/version. Looking.
19:23:47 <meena> antranigv: i feel like kp is probably the best person to ask for an overview
19:24:23 <mason> antranigv: So, yeah, I found someone's edit of https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/firewalls/ that explicated a version, but it's not in the main page.
19:24:24 <VimDiesel> Title: Chapter 33. Firewalls | FreeBSD Documentation Portal
19:25:42 <mason> Hm, for now, from https://www.adminbyaccident.com/freebsd/how-to-freebsd/how-to-configure-the-pf-firewall-on-freebsd/ I see "The code in use as in version 12.0 is still based on the PF version found on OpenBSD 4.5." so you can assume that as a floor. 13 might be newer.
19:25:43 <VimDiesel> Title: How to configure the PF firewall on FreeBSD - Admin... by accident!
19:50:12 <costly> mason: PF version has not been updated to my knowledge for version 13.
19:50:21 <mason> antranigv: ^
19:50:23 <mason> tyt
19:50:25 <mason> ty*
20:33:02 <rtprio> CrtxReavr: oh i get it.
20:33:28 <rtprio> Demosthenex: i check the logs of the AP, if it's not consumer equipment
20:49:50 <Demosthenex> rtprio: yeah, its a crap dlink ap. but my phoen says 74 dbm, i was trying to get more data from my laptop
20:50:01 <Demosthenex> i tried setting ifconfig debug, and w wlandebug flags, but i see no output
20:52:48 <Demosthenex> or to dmesg or any logs
23:00:43 <antranigv> mason costly thank you!