00:35:58 <nimaje> shouldn't it be called mount_rclone?
01:19:11 <Macer> nimaje: yah tried that :)
01:19:36 <Macer> it just occurred to me that maybe you need to double link it
01:19:55 <Macer> maybe rclone expects to be named mount.rclone but fbsd needs mount_rclone as a helper?
01:20:09 <Macer> because when you do it then the command has different options.
01:20:28 <Macer> rclone --help vs mount.rclone --help are different
01:20:46 <Macer> even though mount.rclone is linked to rclone
01:22:02 <Macer> freebsd just had to be different with its hard to reach underscores :)
02:04:59 <fonks> I spun up a very old freebsd for "fun" today, running 4.11-RELEASE on period-accurate-ish hardware. Grabbing packages from archive.freebsd.org, it seems to run quite well on a PIII-class machine
03:53:15 <grahamperrin> meena: for an alpha-related signature verification failure, would you like to discuss in #pkg or somewhere else?
07:41:55 <grahamperrin>           Can anyone suggest a fairly good free NNTP server for infrequent test purposes? nntp.aioe.org seems to no longer work with Thunderbird.
07:42:11 <grahamperrin> s///
07:42:25 <RhodiumToad> fairly good at what?
07:43:15 <grahamperrin> Good at working ;-) compared to the one that no longer works :-)
07:43:49 <grahamperrin> Less flippantly, I'm to folllow <https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-doc/commit/197d8926fc8b21573d271cf1a86c77c2030e5a52#toc> with a review of …
07:43:51 <VimDiesel> Title: Handbook: Internet resources: opening paragraphs · freebsd/freebsd-doc@197d892 · GitHub
07:44:54 <grahamperrin> … the few (not "many") groups that are listed at <https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/eresources/#eresources-news>.
07:44:55 <RhodiumToad> do you know why it's not working with thunderbird?
07:44:55 <VimDiesel> Title: Appendix C. Resources on the Internet | FreeBSD Documentation Portal
07:46:14 <grahamperrin> It's difficult to tell why, because the Activity Monitor window shows nothing when I click on any previously used group.
07:46:14 * RhodiumToad hasn't really paid attention to usenet since leaving Supernews
07:48:01 <RhodiumToad> the aioe server seems to be down entirely, not sure if temporarily or not
07:49:20 <RhodiumToad> maybe the eternal-september.org might be worth a try (see www.eternal-september.org for details)
08:51:56 <meena> grahamperrin: #pkg or #bsdpkgbase are both appropriate, perhaps #pkg more so, because now at I've had some time to think about it, I think it's pretty nonsensical to have two key types, but only expect one in the standard dir
10:22:59 <grahamperrin> RhodiumToad: the suggestion was good, thanks. Result, including two delistings: <https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-doc/pull/224#commits-pushed-58e4cd5>.
10:23:01 <VimDiesel> Title: FreeBSD Handbook: Appendix C: updates and corrections by grahamperrin · Pull Request #224 · freebsd/freebsd-doc · GitHub
10:50:32 <grahamperrin> For reference only, a shot of the FreeBSD group as it appeared around eight months ago (mostly spam/abuse or off-topic):
10:50:54 * grahamperrin uploaded an image: (275KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/v3/download/matrix.org/txyFwivUkciVLIASFwAlfkwn/2023-07-16%20nntp.aioe.org.png >
11:21:19 <grahamperrin> carlavilla: <https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-doc/commit/7b2a14dcebfd0dcd12b90c3f1a1067747b88394b#diff-67b31c4265b362da6cd11f8ea08b65ee74c338e22f24029033d857ad5d53aadeR34-R38> I think we can change TODO (one word in isolation, not a heading) into an Americanised subheading
11:21:20 <VimDiesel> Title: status: 2023q2: Wazuh: markup and other changes · freebsd/freebsd-doc@7b2a14d · GitHub
11:22:42 <grahamperrin> and then punctuate, with a full stop, all three list items. Agreed? (As we did at <https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-doc/pull/203/commits/9adb8e67c6c951aeee45dcfe3e510fdc43dc1139#files>).
11:22:43 <VimDiesel> Title: status: 2023q2: Caldera: fixes, minor changes by grahamperrin · Pull Request #203 · freebsd/freebsd-doc · GitHub
11:24:11 <grahamperrin> … as proposed at, I mean.
12:58:03 <grahamperrin> beastwick: partial orientation, loader.efi(8) <https://man.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=loader.efi&sektion=8&manpath=freebsd-release>
12:58:05 <VimDiesel> Title: loader.efi(8)
17:42:14 <V_PauAmma_V> Is there a better way to trigger a pf.conf reload when a DHCP-assigned IP address changes than adding code to do that to /sbin/dhclient-script?
17:47:10 <V_PauAmma_V> Ah, /etc/dhclient-exit-hooks.
20:08:55 <concrete_houses> fierfox slows down by freebsd desktop with many tabs  even tho top says laod avg 0.60
20:25:19 <Demosthenex> concrete_houses: swapping? memory pressure? arc cache too big?
20:25:28 <Demosthenex> 50+ youtube tabs open?
20:32:54 <concrete_houses> all default
20:32:59 <concrete_houses> no swapping 10g ram fre
20:33:08 <concrete_houses> yes 50+
20:33:25 <concrete_houses> does javascript gum up things without appearing in load avg?
20:39:32 <concrete_houses> I closed  a commadn box with vi
20:39:43 <concrete_houses> now when I save it says read only file override with !
20:39:51 <concrete_houses> any way to stop that annoying thing
20:39:52 <concrete_houses> ?
20:40:01 <concrete_houses> I can't see any lock file
20:40:07 <concrete_houses> freebsd 13.2
20:40:15 <V_PauAmma_V> what does "vi -r" say?
20:40:57 <concrete_houses> $ vi -r ideas
20:40:58 <concrete_houses> No files named ideas, readable by you, to recove
20:41:11 <concrete_houses> $ ls -lah|grep ideas
20:41:12 <concrete_houses> -rw-r--r--   1 g     g       121K Jul 16 16:38 ideas
20:41:18 <concrete_houses> in as user g
20:41:39 <concrete_houses> deas already locked, session is read-only.
20:41:39 <concrete_houses> ideas: unmodified, readonly: line 1
20:41:40 <concrete_houses> Press any key to continue:
20:41:48 <concrete_houses> (when I vi ideas)
20:42:11 <concrete_houses> first line there is ideas not deas(copy error)
20:42:32 <V_PauAmma_V> Again: what does "vi -r" say? Not "vi -r ideas", "vi -r"
20:42:37 <concrete_houses> oh
20:42:55 <concrete_houses>  $ vi -r
20:42:56 <concrete_houses> vi: No files to recover
20:44:27 <concrete_houses> killed command box, now everything fine in new one
20:44:35 <concrete_houses> some xterm thing?
20:45:03 <V_PauAmma_V> Maybe?
20:47:05 <parv> How would xterm be involved with file-system workings of vi
20:48:26 * parv curses self for asking that as he does not actually care for whatever the hell that might be happening
20:48:38 <V_PauAmma_V> Maybe it didn't kill -HUP the vi session? Who knows?
20:49:31 <V_PauAmma_V> (meant for concrete_houses as well, since they also asked.)
20:53:09 <concrete_houses> thanks for help all
20:58:10 <Midjak>  Hey, I just tried wayland on armv7 kernel and it seems broken too. It appears I don't see any drm device I don't know if it's due to my hardware or a generic issue on this arhitecture. It seems https://www.freshports.org/graphics/drm-kmod is broken too.
20:58:11 <VimDiesel> Title: FreshPorts -- graphics/drm-kmod: Metaport of DRM modules for the linuxkpi-based KMS components
21:13:46 <dch> anybody using 1password on ungoogled chromium
21:20:02 <dch> seems its missing the actual button or whatever to install the cursed extension
21:24:02 <dch> aah https://github.com/NeverDecaf/chromium-web-store/releases is the way
21:24:03 <VimDiesel> Title: Releases · NeverDecaf/chromium-web-store · GitHub
23:55:42 <Midjak> I am looking for sysctl variables especially these related to jail (security.jail). Where can I find this documentation ?
23:58:12 <Midjak> I don't really see the point of setting the security.jail.allow_raw_sockets variable for all jails created from the host. I'd like to do it specifically for each jail.