00:26:01 anyone have rails/passenger running? i'm stumped on a javascript runtime error that i do not encounter with the same app in a Void Linux instance 00:36:52 meena: the amount of horsing around to get the ipv6 added to the network and so on, i'd probably not do it again, considering i don't have ipv6 in most places :| 01:54:29 markmcb, Compare the resulting files from both and see where they are different from each other. That will be the clue. 02:32:53 CCFL_Man: also, if the data is redundant or backed up, you might run a test that involves writes. 02:32:53 I'd boot from UBCD to run HDAT2 and perform a R/W/R/C test. 03:14:10 grahamperrin: thanks! i can boot HDAT2 via the ipmi interface. does it support USB controllers though? 03:15:50 looks like i'll have to connect it to the sata controller to run the test 03:16:22 i put in an RMA request with WD as it's still under warranty 03:27:03 rwp: no errors found 04:30:23 rtprio, yes, the autostart flags is set in rc.conf. vmhost server itself reboots normally, with all guest machines start as intended 06:27:27 huh, this looks like a hipster version of Windows 11 DE for FreeBSD: https://www.reddit.com/r/freebsd/comments/14p2srf/ladies_and_gentlements_prototype_20/ 06:27:29 Title: ladies and gentlements!!!! ProtoType 2.0 : freebsd 06:52:05 kenrap, it's been removed 06:52:09 what was it 06:53:07 maybe this? https://www.reddit.com/r/swaywm/comments/1116t0p/sway_waybar_ultra_instint/ 06:53:08 Title: sway & waybar ultra instint ? :) : swaywm 06:54:31 actually it's a perfect night to install FreeBSD 06:55:12 It looks kind of like that but with a black/orange-ish hacker theme. I think the one you shared looks better imo. 06:55:33 yeah, microsoft did tests 06:55:49 the research said that teal, and eventually blue, were the most ideal colours for a desktop 06:56:07 weird how people obsess over blue light now 06:57:01 ironically, blue lighting emitting from our screens is bad for our eyes 06:57:11 but it feels so good 06:57:18 I know. 06:58:22 can you flash a freebsd img file from Android? or only while rooted? 06:58:55 You can flash the usb installer img using the EtchDroid app 06:59:08 good to know 06:59:11 i'm just using rufus 06:59:21 rufus is also good 07:01:43 Okay I'm going in 07:03:10 rdr: have fun 07:04:20 I've been enjoying 14-CURRENT as a daily driver recently. grahamperrin's reddit comments gradually rubbed off on me. I really need to learn to use boot environments in case when an upgrade breaks 07:06:22 Oh I'm just going for 13.2 07:07:39 I'd say, go for 13.2 first and if nothing is biting you while using it, stick with it. 07:09:53 Although if you're feeling ambitious, then surf on the CURRENT wave 07:10:55 Definitely recommend lurking in the CURRENT mailing lists as well 07:43:23 FreeBSD has two modes: beep repeatedly, and break everything 07:43:42 Lol jk. But I might have hosed my windows partition 07:44:06 I swore I chose my Intel SSD which was free 07:44:27 It did delete efi entries it thought was FreeBSD though 07:44:57 I'll try using a Windows boot disk to reinstall or repair tomorrow, it's too late 07:45:13 You probably need to restore the windows efi boot loader 07:46:10 and select the approriate boot loader through your bios/uefi's boot manager when dual booting 07:49:16 Oh I couldn't see the windows drive in my boot menu 07:49:34 Either the EFI is gone or the drive is dead lmao 07:50:02 Or maybe my computer just stopped recognizing it for some reason 07:50:30 I might have installed to the wrong drive, I thought I was being careful 07:53:36 I think the Windows partition is still there, you just need to use the installer usb and boot into recovery mode and fix the boot loader. FreeBSD probably overwrote the efi entry for Windows. 07:53:58 And if not, oh well. 07:55:11 Hope so, installing again is annoying 07:55:21 Yeah I have backups 07:55:38 👍 07:55:52 Time to sleep. Night 07:56:00 Have a good night 08:00:52 rtprio: it's really frustrating that i have to pay for IPv6 to 08:01:08 good morning 08:02:29 rtprio: it's really frustrating that i have to pay for IPv4 to test basic things, because none of the carriers out here where I live bothered to roll out IPv6 08:04:23 I feel like I need to speak about this reddit post: https://www.reddit.com/r/freebsd/comments/14ojv8b/amdgpu_fails_to_boot/ 08:04:24 Title: AMDGPU fails to boot : freebsd 08:05:18 I had a similar problem to the OP when I couldn't load the `amdgpu` driver with my 6600XT. When I rebooted without the driver, I looked into the message logs and it said I was missing the firmware bin for it which drm-515-kmod didn't provide. So, I git-clone'd from the linux-firmware repo and copied the appropriate firmware to /boot/modules/amdgpu_dimgrey_cavefish_sos.bin, then `kldload amdgpu` and boom, it worked 08:08:22 gday 08:08:42 is there standard way to validate rc.conf for errors 08:11:30 "shellcheck" could check the syntax (for a shel script) but do not know of anything which would also check the variables names & if contents make sense 08:11:58 s/shel/&l/ 08:13:15 Well, something does check the second part after the boot; look in /etc/rc* somewhere 08:14:03 parv, "shellcheck" 08:14:14 ? 08:14:37 "pkg search -x shellcheck" 08:14:47 ah the port ... 08:15:25 will see.. but nothing standard on "as is" system ? 08:16:10 same "shell check" will be to pass rc.conf to a csh, for example 08:16:39 Not that I know of. Perhaps one could write something at least to check if quotes are balancde 08:16:49 s/balancde/balanced/ 08:17:00 No idea about csh code 08:17:37 ok thanks 08:17:40 "shellcheck" just checks if the file given is a valid shell script 09:20:58 RhodiumToad https://imgur.com/woEfd2g.png  the luajit issue comes again after `pkg update` 09:23:21 Beladona, Had you tried "pkg lock" to not have those updated? 09:28:30 parv doing 09:29:38 parv is this ok https://imgur.com/ezQYpkL.png 09:30:30 juajit -devel and luajit conflict. I wonder how both can even be installed 09:31:31 Beladona, Yeah. If both install any of the files the same location, that would be a problem 09:31:41 so what should I do? 09:31:49 loc `luv` as well? 09:32:28 Does "luv" uses "luajit" 2.0.5? 09:32:47 it says Installed packages to be REINSTALLED: 09:32:47  luv-1.44.2.1_1 (direct dependency changed: luajit-devel) 09:32:57 luv seems to want luajit-devel 09:33:27 What does "luv" currently use? 09:33:42 how can I know? 09:34:56 See "--dependencies" option of "pkg-info(8)"; pkg info -d luv 09:35:37 it depends on luajit and libuv 09:35:42 so I think I should lock luv too 09:35:45 right/ 09:35:51 right?* 09:35:53 Yup. Lock them all up 09:36:07 Does "neovim" use "luv"> 09:36:14 s/>/?/ 09:37:07 yes 09:37:12 I have to lock neovim now 09:37:15 so i can't upgrade it 09:37:53 Beladona, Do note that if other dependencies (not locked) change, "neovim" and/or "obs-studio" may break 09:38:21 ... because they were not updated (due to being locked) 09:39:50 Better solution would be to have "luajit" & "luajit-devel" be installed in different places; and/or "obs-studio" be updated to work with "luajit-devel" 09:43:36 I do wonder if one or the other would work if installed via The Ports ... 10:27:11 parv i also wonder why this has not been fixed by freebsd or the package maintainers yet 10:28:48 is this just my system or all have it? 11:50:03 sorry disconnected 11:52:53 Beladona: i would open a ports … meta? bug, and ask dependencies to be bumped to luajit-devel where possible, and also what parv suggested, failing that, make the two install in different locations if somehow possible 11:59:33 Beladona, you can edit multimedia/obs-studio/Makefile: LIB_DEPENDS_amd64=libluajit-5.1.so:lang/luajit-devel and rebuild obs-studio 12:04:22 VVD: that's feels like a big rebuild… 12:05:47 we could also tell her to run PostgreSQL in a jail, that could shield her from rebuilding that, but again, that's putting the onus on many individual users who might just wanna be able to use PostgreSQL and neovim at the same time, which doesn't seem like that big of an ask 12:06:38 and while I'm well aware that those two things are maintained by different people / teams, they can easier coordinate among themselves, than expecting every single user to find this issue, find out how to rebuild ports, and fix dependency issues 12:08:25 (this is probably the reason why debian only releases every 12 years or so: you can install a lot of debian packages along side before hitting conflicts, and it's the packagers that make it work) 12:26:58 I see 12:27:12 * Beladona is afraid to screw things 12:27:19 is this bug for ALL of you as well? 12:27:54 meena you mean debian is more stable? 12:28:25 I rebuild with help of RhodiumToad few days ago but it seems it occured again after `pkg update` 12:33:14 VVD If my system is messed up. I can reinstall freebsd 12:34:09 Beladona, if you use self build ports - don't use pkg update 12:34:32 I am not sure if I ever used self-build ports 12:34:46 I'm pretty sure that's what you were instructed to do. 12:35:40 debdrup I am not too much familier with the jargon. So doing `make` is self built `port` ? 12:36:18 if so, then yes VVD . Thats what RhodiumToad helped me do so. But now I have locked the packages. I can live with locking neovim as well now? 12:55:47 Beladona35, multimedia/obs-studio need to be fixed. 12:56:29 As a temporary woraround you can build it self with fixed Makefile. 12:56:40 MAINTAINER= yuri⊙Fo 12:57:25 VVD ok. How to do that exactly? I mean specific command? 13:05:44 Beladona35, what branch of ports to u use - main or quarterly? 13:06:52 not quarterly 13:06:58 latest I think 13:10:36 Do u have ports tree locally? 13:10:53 If so - update it. 13:12:22 Edit /usr/ports/multimedia/obs-studio/Makefile: 13:13:04 replace "LIB_DEPENDS_amd64= libluajit-5.1.so:lang/luajit" with "LIB_DEPENDS_amd64= libluajit-5.1.so:lang/luajit-devel" (just add "-devel" at end) 13:14:01 pkg delete -yf obs-studio && cd /usr/ports/multimedia/obs-studio && make install clean 13:16:23 VVD ok if I skip it and live with no updates for obs, neovim. will that be ok? 13:20:08 Beladona35, I think yes. If you don't care about new features or other updates of both ports. 13:21:49 vishwin, u are here too 13:22:36 VVD ok, I am noting what you wrote. will try to fix. So even if I reinstall fbsd, this issue will come again? 13:23:36 Beladona, yes. obs and neovim depends on conficting versions of luajit. 13:27:53 and so does postgresql VVD ? 13:28:50 Beladona, what about postgresql? 13:30:37 I had similar conflict with pg and kdenlive but i forgot 13:31:51 because obs doesn't use the USES= framework for luajit 13:32:16 it appears to hardcode for a case that USES=luajit covers already 13:49:30 vishwin I see 13:53:03 Beladona, similar with luajit or with something else? 13:57:05 VVD similar conflict but I forgot 13:57:55 Beladona, don't see luajit in deps of postgresql 13:58:03 VVD tell me. Is this normal in opensource world of linux and freebsd? 13:58:24 VVD there was some issue with pg and kdenlive. Iirc, was simlar but forgot it 13:58:33 it might be in channel history if logged 13:59:27 VVD are there more stabler and more rock solid distros/OS/releases where such bug do cannot even put its feather in? 13:59:28 I have istalled postgresql15-client-15.3 and kdenlive-23.04.2 without any ssisues on 2 different hosts. 13:59:42 VVD i see 14:00:24 Usually it's 3rd party applications issues, not base OS. 14:08:54 Beladona: conflicts are normal in open source unfortunately 14:09:01 they are worse in academic/scientific software 14:09:13 I see 14:09:23 this isn't a commercial shop 14:10:02 I know. but freebsd has paid support as well? That won't include these free apps like obs 14:10:04 I guess 14:10:40 not really 14:11:06 there's companies who do provide commercial support, but they're completely unrelated to the project 14:11:12 there exist commercial entities that base their stuff on FreeBSD and such 14:11:20 but what debdrup said 14:11:28 Q: does freebsd allow them to beincluded in main ports? 14:11:41 that's not really a question that's easy to answer 14:13:47 obs-studio is part of the ports tree because it's opensource software, but in the past there's been binary software included in the ports tree too 14:14:26 ok 14:14:40 freebsd does not provides commercial support? 14:14:49 i can't think of any that're in the tree, but the biggest impediment is usually finding a ports committer who's interested in working on the software 14:14:56 the project doesn't provide commercial support, no 14:15:11 it's a volunteer opensource project, not a commercial venture like redhat or IBM 14:15:14 * Beladona reads https://www.freebsd.org/commercial/ 14:15:34 ok 14:15:53 there's no gotcha listed on that page on the website 15:53:25 happy fourth everyone 15:54:26 or should say have a ... 15:57:28 I don't think it's July 4 anywhere in the US yet. 15:58:28 (But I think either is correct.) 15:59:03 12 more hours 16:19:49 thats why the "should say" 16:20:15 For the US timezones now is daylight morning hours on July 3rd but it's a long holiday weekend across multiple days. Everyone is on holiday. 17:52:38 is there a way to ask my server what dimms it has, from the OS? 18:04:21 rtprio: dmidecode should work. 18:04:36 Not a built-in tool, though. 18:07:33 rtprio, try decode-dimms from sysutils/i2c-tools 18:08:24 or connect to IPMI/iLO/IMM 18:09:39 if dmidecode didn't help 18:12:21 3 19:26:15 Is install.cfg documented anywhere? Search results turn up a lot of forum posts from people asking questions, but I'm having a hard time finding documentation about install.cfg itself (including just searching freebsd.org for the string "install.cfg") 19:40:51 bahamat: https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-src/blob/3f21d3e0babacabb9a32e0e9a8ab290025d5577c/usr.sbin/bsdconfig/share/script.subr#L95 19:40:52 Title: freebsd-src/usr.sbin/bsdconfig/share/script.subr at 3f21d3e0babacabb9a32e0e9a8ab290025d5577c · freebsd/freebsd-src · GitHub 19:41:32 meena: That's not exactly what I would call a "documented" feature. 19:41:39 same 19:42:31 I'm trying to find out agar resword even means 19:47:23 https://github.com/freebsd/freebsd-src/commit/99bc932ec2e3f38720ea0fb5df3bbe4593dbf415 11 years ago 19:47:24 Title: Add support for scripting (sysinstall style). · freebsd/freebsd-src@99bc932 · GitHub 22:46:06 Beladona, vishwin, https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=271085 22:46:10 Title: 271085 – multimedia/obs-studio conflict with neovim due to luajit dependency 22:46:52 Created 2 months ago. 22:48:41 VVD super. but seems not solved yet? 22:49:03 It was without patch. ;-) 22:49:25 I added patch - waiting maintainer. 22:49:52 If he agree I can commit the patch or he can commit it self. 23:08:36 VVD great ! so this will be solved? 23:09:42 Definitely! 23:09:44 But I can't say when... 23:09:45 :-D 23:11:16 awesom 23:11:57 VVD I recal the issue with postgres and kdenlive was gdal 23:12:08 as I see a lock on it in history of commands 23:12:13 but maybe I am wrong 23:20:12 Beladona, can you describe this conflict same as in PR about luajit? 23:20:45 Better create separate PR and post URL here. 23:21:40 its resolved now. don't have the issue now to replicate