00:00:17 <RhodiumToad> ok. with that done, see if pkg install kdenlive   has any conflicts (it shouldn't)
00:01:04 <RhodiumToad> you may at some point want to do pkg lock gdal   to make sure future pkg runs don't try and update it.
00:01:18 <RhodiumToad> if it needs updating in future you'll want to do that via the port.
00:02:27 <Beladona> yes , kdenlive installed, working !   with usual no maintainer notices.
00:02:38 * RhodiumToad really should revisit the issue of installing multiple postgresql versions
00:02:59 <Beladona> should I lock?
00:03:12 <RhodiumToad> you should do  pkg lock gdal
00:03:24 <RhodiumToad> (and neovim if you want to, but that's probably less critical)
00:04:05 <RhodiumToad> huh, freenode threw a wobbly on me
00:04:09 <Beladona> fantastic ! thanks. My last issue is installing brave browser but I do not want to be a support hog further. Just point me to the best way of doing it on freebsd and I will try to do it myself. Which way?
00:04:11 <RhodiumToad> s/frenode/libera
00:04:42 <RhodiumToad> I know nothing of this browser
00:04:42 <Beladona> brave is a linux based browser app
00:04:55 <RhodiumToad> is there a port for it?
00:05:00 <Beladona> its a linux app (just like any other) which is not availabe in freebsd
00:05:19 <RhodiumToad> ah. so you want to run it under the linux abi?
00:06:31 <RhodiumToad> you could try installing the linux_base-c7 package, and making sure you have linux_enable="YES"  in /etc/rc.conf
00:06:52 <RhodiumToad> reboot with that, then the next step is figuring out what dependencies the linux binary has
00:07:21 <RhodiumToad> (if possible, you want to start with a linux binary that's built for centos 7)
00:07:28 <Beladona> maybe use another browser in freebsd that blocks ads
00:07:47 <Beladona> why centos 7 and not ubuntu/deb
00:07:48 <RhodiumToad> there's some stuff in the handbook iirc about figuring out dependencies for linux apps
00:08:39 <RhodiumToad> centos 7 because there are packages for that
00:09:04 <Beladona> but ubuntu also has packages
00:09:22 <Beladona> why prefer cent
00:09:27 <RhodiumToad> no, I mean there are freebsd packages for installing a centos 7 environment
00:09:33 <Beladona> oh ok
00:09:57 <RhodiumToad> or ports, at least, I think they are available as packages too
00:10:32 <RhodiumToad> linux_base-c7  is the minimal centos7 environment and there are tons of linux-c7-* libraries
00:10:58 <RhodiumToad> I have a linux-only printer driver, and I make it work using this stuff
00:11:35 <RhodiumToad> (hard to find a cheap laser printer otherwise)
00:15:16 <Beladona> RhodiumToad thank you!
00:45:35 <skered> RhodiumToad: define cheap.
00:47:39 <RhodiumToad> I paid about 50 quid?
00:47:55 <RhodiumToad> that was a good many years ago tho
00:48:06 <RhodiumToad> 2011, apparently
00:50:31 <RhodiumToad> £45.80 including VAT
00:51:04 <RhodiumToad> cheap enough that I wasn't too bothered about the possibility that I might not have been able to make it work
00:53:39 <RhodiumToad> I'm curious if there are currently available <£100 laser printers that work well with freebsd
00:55:36 <skered> I'd guess refurb.
00:55:52 <RhodiumToad> the one I have I bought new
01:00:50 <RhodiumToad> I don't use it a great deal, but it's still working after 12 years and the toner costs have been quite small (unlike the costs of inkjet ink)
01:23:51 <rwp> Laser printers are more "stable" than inkjets.  Inkjets dry out when not in consistent use.  Plus inkjet vendors are all predatory.  Laser cartridges are dry and long term stable to sit and then always work when printing the first page after a year of not printing.  That's my experience anyway.
01:24:32 <RhodiumToad> this is exactly why I wanted a laser in the first place :-)
01:25:54 <rwp> When shopping for any printer I will only look at network printers now.  Those may or may not work with free printer drivers over ipp:// or not but if it requires a USB cable it will always be trouble.
01:26:43 <RhodiumToad> mine is a USB
01:27:20 <rwp> I bow to your zen nature.  You are truly blessed if it has been no problem for you.
01:27:34 <RhodiumToad> I wouldn't say "no" problem :-)
01:28:07 <rwp> Book title: The Printer That Just Worked! And Other Fairy Tales.
01:28:46 <rwp> One of my clients has a Brother laserjet with a USB and the only drivers for it were Ubuntu 16.04 32-bit binary.  Note that 32-bits are no longer supported by Ubuntu in anything newer.  And the driver itself requires 16.04 too.
01:28:56 <RhodiumToad> when I first got it working, it needed a whole Linux copy of cups running in a jail, with a hack to get at the freebsd cups version of the usb backend
01:29:25 <RhodiumToad> now I have it working with cups in freebsd and just the driver as a linux binary
01:29:27 <rwp> Okay then!  I bagged up an Ubuntu 16.04 32-bit system as a virtual machine and it drives the printer as a print spooler and everything else prints through it.  Works.  And could upgrade other systems around it.
01:29:51 <RhodiumToad> however, the driver seems to have disappeared from the internet entirely
01:30:44 <rwp> Don't ever lose your copy and the backup of it.  At least not until your printer dies.
01:30:47 <RhodiumToad> (at one point I considered submitting a port in case someone else had the printer, but without anywhere to download the driver from, there's no legal distribution channel)
01:31:06 <rwp> Seems like you and I both basically did the same thing in order to drive the printers using closed source binaries in order to make it work.  PITA!
04:27:17 <tercaL> Good morning
07:05:49 <rtprio> EHLO
07:44:52 <rwp> 250 OK
07:52:44 <parv> BYE TIMEOUT
08:15:18 <parv> How do I get "nc(1)", in a script, to print the URL returned after sending text to termbin.com:9999? (The URL is printed if just use "nc" on the CLI)
08:17:35 <parv> Damnit! In a short example, the URL is printed as expected😖
08:18:04 <meena> I need to stop bugzilla from autoccing me on every bug
08:19:07 <parv> Oh! I see there is no output to be sent to "nc", hence no printing of an URL!
09:23:38 * grahamperrin speeds through
09:24:14 <grahamperrin> Beladona: /usr/ports is typically the mount point for a pool, and so, non-removable.
09:24:34 <grahamperrin> rwp: can you (install and then) share output from lsblk?
11:43:37 <Beladona> grahamperrin ok
15:41:43 <unixman_home> RhodiumToad, ironically Brave browser is available on macOS. I run Brave on my corporate MacBook at work.
15:46:42 <unixman_home> Oh, and it is available for Windows too. So, someone just needs to care enough to port it to FreeBSD. Maybe Beladona will do that for us. :)
16:10:50 <kenrap> Would be cool if someone(s) would port Brave natively over to FreeBSD. It gets annoying when running it in a Linux jail and at random would crash.
16:12:37 <kenrap> It's also concerning when I see the linux jail throw warnings like this: linux: jid 0 pid 12313 (ThreadPoolForeg): unsupported TCP socket option TCP_INFO (11)
17:08:01 <markmcb> does Brave still have the bright orange icon in dark mode that you can't disable? that immediately killed it for me. project response was"wont fix, it's our brand".
18:40:48 <kenrap> markmcb: I'd say you're missing out on some really good web privacy benefits if you're letting the constrasting orange of their "shield logo" get in your way.
19:09:24 <acu> does anyone know the chat for enligtenement desktop ?
19:09:57 <acu> I am trying to install it in FreeBSd 14 - I wonder if is possible with wayland
19:10:54 <acu> I wonder if Wayland is yet a valid way to go.... I noticed even in Linux - some of the applcations such as Rustdesk still works on X11 --- and pulse - no pipewire
19:14:54 <accelerat0r> why going wayland if x11 works ?
19:15:15 <unixman_home> This ^
19:20:28 <rwp> AFAICS the value of Wayland is that it gives people tired of everything Just Working in Release something to complain is not yet working for them in Current.
19:20:43 <rwp> "Don't have something to complain about and want to?  Try Wayland!" :-)
19:26:12 <unixman_home> :D
19:30:32 <rwp> grahamperrin, I can't run lsblk on the system at this moment as all drives have been removed and I am copying drives one by one on a different system using ddrescue.
19:50:28 <cpet> acu don't think we ever ported that
19:51:32 <cpet> acu: I created the ML for e and worked on it and updated the wiki and a few other things , but they have no longer time release and there release cycle is weird so gave up
19:52:16 <cpet> Spend the time updating it by the time it gets committed they create a new release
19:55:05 <cpet> accelerat0r: cause the Linux world likes to change shit for no reason and make it more complicated than it needs to be
19:58:05 <rwp> I think  accelerat0r's point was that in FreeBSD if X11 is working then what's the motivation to install Wayland?  Not asking why Wayland is happening on other operating systems.
19:58:40 <rwp> grahamperrin, Also instead of the ports lsblk may I suggest "geom -t" instead?  It's in base and always available.  It has rather nice information output too. :-)
20:00:59 <cpet> Though the xwayland was a wrapper lib ?
20:06:31 <rwp> I am not running wayland so don't know but I thought it was the other way around.  That wayland was primary and X was run as a wrapper under it somehow.  When running wayland.  (shrug)
20:10:51 <cpet> Whatever runs xfce and Firefox
20:15:47 <V_PauAmma_V> "pkg search xwayland" says "xwayland-22.1.8,1              X11 server as Wayland Client"
20:24:15 <Beladona> Does raid help with data integrity as well? e.g one drive gets corrupted, just due to raid, the system will know that there is a mismatch. But will the system know which drive's data is correct? and will it auto correct it?
20:25:23 <parv> With ZFS mirror, RAID-Z[123], yes; not with stripe-only configuration
20:27:11 <markmcb> kenrap: perhaps. but there are plenty of equally good alternatives that don't come with the eye of sauron.
20:40:29 <cpet> Raid isn't a replacement for backups any ways
20:41:17 <rwp> With a stripe pool config zfs will know if a block is corrupted but having only one copy of the data won't be able to correct it.
20:41:30 <rwp> RAID is definitely NOT a replacement for backup!
20:43:40 <cpet> There is still a time when 2 drives can fail , and there was a bug in the 3ware driver couple years back that corrupt the fs
20:43:52 <cpet> So my 6 drive array needed to be redone
20:44:27 <cpet> And that was a raid 60 which could handle 3 failed drives
20:51:42 <Beladona> parv the last message I got from you was "With ZFS mirror, ..."
20:51:56 <Beladona> parv but how will it know whihc drives data is correct?
20:52:15 <Beladona> does it happen in raid 5,6 as well?
20:52:25 <Beladona> cannot it be done with rsync instead?
20:53:32 <parv> Beladona, ZFS would ID the device, which may (not) be accompanied by messages from respective drivers
20:53:58 <parv> Beladona, Hold on ...
20:54:13 <Beladona> ok.
20:55:15 <cpet> Read up on how raid works its similar to the z raids in zfs
20:55:34 <Beladona> I know how it works but not to the expert level
20:55:42 <Beladona> that would take many book reads
20:55:46 <Beladona> thats why here
20:56:13 <Beladona> cpet ya, zfs has slight different naming and internals
20:56:16 <parv> Beladona, First page search of "parity" at https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/05/zfs-101-understanding-zfs-storage-and-performance/ will give a shallow overview
20:56:17 <VimDiesel> Title: ZFS 101—Understanding ZFS storage and performance | Ars Technica
20:56:44 <cpet> Doesn't really take a genius to reqs messages and replace the drive and let it rebuild
20:57:16 <cpet> If you have a backup drove zfs will do it auto and you won't even notice it
20:58:02 <cpet> Just make sure you have tons of rams zfs likes those
20:58:13 <cpet> Feed me...
20:58:21 <Beladona> lets say there were 2 drives. how will it know which drives data is correct?
20:58:36 <cpet> Read up on parity
20:58:48 <Beladona> cpet I am not talking about raid 5,6 here
20:58:51 <Beladona> just the mirror
20:59:36 <cpet> Same principal it's copying data to two drives , and still saving meta data on both
20:59:43 <parv> OpenZFS Data Intgreity: https://openzfs.org/wiki/System_Administration#Data_Integrity
20:59:44 <VimDiesel> Title: System Administration - OpenZFS
20:59:45 <Beladona> cpet parv so with raid 5,6 it "will" and "can" correct data (wiith hlep of parity etc)?
20:59:55 <cpet> Yes
21:00:03 <parv> Beladona, I do not know about non-ZFS RAID
21:00:10 <cpet> Mirror is just a mirror
21:00:25 <Beladona> parv cpet ok with mirror, there is not parity. Mere meta data won't be enough to correct
21:00:35 <Beladona> to make corrective measrues
21:00:43 <cpet> Doesn't need any it's copying the save data twice
21:01:24 <cpet> So each drive is an extra copy of the other drive
21:01:34 <cpet> And will still function ofnyy pull a disk out
21:01:43 <Beladona> ya, I mean "after" data is written. after a month, lets say one drive's part of data gets corrupted. How will the zfs know and get the correct data from the "ok" drive and write to defective one?
21:01:57 <cpet> Ok your nuking this
21:01:57 <parv> Beladona, A (ZFS) mirror keeps 2 copies; a corrupt file would be replace with one from the other
21:02:54 <Beladona> how would it know the file is corrupted?
21:03:17 <jilles> because it has checksums
21:04:00 <cpet> It checks to make sure that both files are the same and will do it's thing if one fails , it does a full check or scrub I think weekly
21:04:08 <cpet> Based on a cron script
21:04:23 <Beladona> jilles ok.
21:04:36 <cpet> The z raids are more complex
21:04:49 <parv> Beladona, Have a go at publications/talks: https://openzfs.org/wiki/Publications
21:04:50 <VimDiesel> Title: Publications - OpenZFS
21:05:12 <cpet> But pretty much work the same as normal raids
21:06:56 <Beladona> I want to make a big tank. (not the zfs tank. Just saying tank). and put all my data there. i won't have any other backups.  I know raid is not backup replacement. I do not need drives online all the time. The capacity is 12  tb total. I might order 4tb drives of 3 quanity. Not sure if I want mirror or raid 5,6. Want to be extendable. where I can
21:06:57 <Beladona> add things on top of capacity but I guess non will do that
21:08:31 <parv> With a mirror, you would have half the total capacity
21:09:06 <cpet> Just buy 7 drives use one as spare and setup a z2 or z3
21:09:29 <cpet> 2 of those will be use sfornlarty and you'll have give or take 12 tv
21:09:33 <cpet> tb
21:09:48 <parv> Beladona, Buy 10 TB ones instead in RAID-Z1?
21:10:19 <cpet> I would go with the smaller ones quicker to rebuild
21:10:59 <parv> Note that around 80% of capacity of ZFS storage, performance drops
21:12:05 <cpet> Raid isn't meant for speed
21:15:01 <Beladona> parv cpet ok.. I have to go with 4tb drives due to the price brand combo etc
21:15:26 <parv> Beladona, Ok
21:15:55 <cpet> Buy different brands as the chances of failure will be random rather than the same
21:16:05 <Beladona> parv cpet what do you suggest?  mirror, raid 5 (3 drives of 4tb) or rsync based checksum and syncing
21:16:18 <Beladona> cpet ok
21:16:20 <Beladona> sane
21:16:24 <cpet> That's on you
21:16:36 <Beladona> ya but whats better? pros /cons. I am confused
21:16:43 <Beladona> ease of maintenance
21:17:03 <parv> RAIDZ[23]
21:17:07 <cpet> I have a raid 60 but it's not on zfs
21:17:27 <parv> ... but would not work in your situation, Beladona
21:17:41 <Beladona> ok so whats fit for me
21:18:21 <cpet> If you have to ask that then you shouldn't be using raid in the first place and chances are a raid 10 would work
21:18:39 <Beladona> why not raid 5
21:18:42 <parv> Mirror of 2-disk, 1 spare;  or RAID-Z1
21:19:14 <cpet> Drives won't be enough for the space you want
21:19:25 <cpet> Raid 5 takes away 2 drives for parity and meta data
21:20:00 <Beladona> cpet raid 5 takes 1.  6 takes 3
21:20:00 <cpet> So with those 3 drives you'll only have 4 tb give or take
21:20:06 <Beladona> cpet raid 5 takes 1.  6 takes 2
21:20:23 <cpet> Either of
21:20:56 <cpet> You'll get a speed increase with the 0's
21:21:18 <cpet> 50 vs 60 or whatever the equivalent is for z
21:21:38 <Beladona> checking
21:21:53 <cpet> Probably a z3
21:22:32 <Beladona> cpet don't have that much drives for 50,60
21:22:44 <cpet> Buy more
21:23:12 <Beladona> oh also, I have an existing 4tb drive and with data. so hard to wash it without haivng 4 drives in totay
21:23:24 <parv> Beladona, With RAID-Z1 (or RAID 5), only having 1 disk parity does not provide give enough of "ease of maintenance"
21:23:25 <cpet> Damn I have a 500gb mirror and I'll never use those 500gb
21:23:29 <Beladona> the problem with zfs raid is that once its made, you cant change it
21:24:09 <cpet> Wouldn't really call it zfs raid
21:24:11 <Beladona> parv am..t hen?
21:25:17 <cpet> Depends how paranoid you are I have it setup to send me a system email when a disk fails really don't need more than that
21:25:55 <cpet> And periodic has a script that scrubs the arrays however not sure that's healthy for a SSD
21:26:14 <cpet> So I don't do it
21:26:21 <parv> Beladona, RAID-Z1 (replacing a disk by breaking a mirror is damn too fiddly; its only a consideration for me due limitation of cost & ports)
21:26:34 <Beladona> I guess writes are life eating for ssd. not reads. but not sure
21:27:12 <Beladona> parv isn't that normal. disk fails, you replace it in mirror
21:27:16 <cpet> The raid 60 are using barricida drives and the fw deals with that
21:27:50 <cpet> So you can litterily take a disk out and the array will be degraded and you just pop in a new one and it starts to rebuild
21:28:56 <cpet> This is partly why I still use hw raid cards rather than zfs
21:29:02 <SomeAB> I'm trying to join this channel from Matrix Element front end.. using their IRC bridge to Libera chat
21:29:10 <Beladona> cpet fw?
21:29:16 <cpet> Firmware
21:29:16 <SomeAB> I'm getting err_needreggednick error
21:29:31 <SomeAB> can a mod/admin help
21:29:35 <cpet> This isn't matrix help 101
21:29:36 <parv> Beladona, Actually yes, you are right
21:29:47 <Beladona> ok
21:29:57 <cpet> Any ways my two cents
21:30:35 <Beladona> suppose I have 3 drives. 1 with data in it. Is there a way to build raidz1 of those 3 without invovling a 4th drive?
21:31:15 <cpet> Could always just buy 2 10tb and do a mirror
21:31:25 <Beladona> costly
21:31:43 <cpet> Cost of your data should supercede being cheap
21:32:17 <cpet> But no the zx spec requires the amount of drives it requires can hack it to use less
21:32:57 <SomeAB> @cpet.. I know.. but a slight hint would help.. if someone ran into similar issue before
21:33:19 <SomeAB> just for better GUI I'm using Element instead of Konversation
21:33:26 <cpet> SomeAB: why in the hell would I use a bridge when I can just load a irc client and connect ?
21:34:11 <SomeAB> what GUI are you using @cpet?
21:34:40 <cpet> Ircloud on the phone, cli most of the time
21:35:02 <Beladona> cpet ya but I only need 8tb
21:35:05 <rwp> SomeAB, This channel requires registered users.  If you are getting kicked at start it sounds like your Matrix nick is not registered.  Just guessing here...
21:35:06 <Beladona> space
21:35:09 <Beladona> suppose I have 3 drives. 1 with data in it. Is there a way to build raidz1 of those 3 without invovling a 4th drive?
21:36:00 <cpet> Zpool create raidz1 disk1 disk1 disk1
21:36:04 <cpet> See if it works
21:37:04 <cpet> Think I'm missing the name but
21:38:06 <SomeAB> @rwp .. thanks.. yeah I'm trying to figure that out.. how to register my matrix id on IRC... so I can get past this error
21:38:51 <SomeAB> I tried my luck in here, since someone might have run into a similar issue
21:39:28 <rwp> I think if not registered then instead of here irc redirects one to another channel name, I forget.  So if you find yourself in an irc channel but a different one then that is definitely an unregistered nick issue.
21:40:16 <SomeAB> yeah its saying "You were removed from #freebsd by appservice,Reason: IRC error on #freebsd: err_needreggednick "
21:41:38 <cpet> error is self explainitory
21:41:42 <cpet> register then connect
21:42:27 <SomeAB> yeah.. ok one last thing
21:42:36 <SomeAB> whatever happened to freenode IRC?
21:43:22 <SomeAB> I vaguely remember Freebsd having a channel on freenode.. I could be wrong
21:43:42 <cpet> think souns bought it and refuse to keep it open so they made libera chat
21:43:49 <cpet> or something to that extent i dont know never cared
21:43:50 <rwp> Freenode was taken over in a hostile takeover and everyone sane left there to come here.
21:44:22 <parv> Moved here after Korean prince bought FreeNode & then things went to the shitter
21:44:31 <rwp> Freenode is now abandoned.  Nothing of value is there now.  Everyone is either here on Libera.Chat or on OFTC or one of the other older IRC networks.
21:45:09 <la_mettrie> freenode wasn't owned by its maintainers which made the takeover possible. libera is supposed to be different in this respect
21:45:35 <rwp> SomeAB, Reference https://wiki.freebsd.org/IRC/Channels for the current status.
21:45:36 <VimDiesel> Title: IRC/Channels - FreeBSD Wiki
21:47:44 <parv> Beladona, In "there a way to build raidz1 of those 3 without invovling a 4th drive", do you mean one of the disks is the one with the data? If so, no.
21:49:47 <Beladona> yes
21:49:50 <Beladona> I see
21:51:25 <SomeAB> I remember the good old days of Rizon IRC
21:51:32 <SomeAB> and using chatzilla
21:51:50 <SomeAB> even the 13-15 year old me could understand and use it back then
21:52:34 <SomeAB> @rwp.. that sounds interesting.. can you name a few popular channels on OFTC or where to find them
21:52:57 <la_mettrie> I remember the good old days of arisoft BBS chat  https://i.imgur.com/4JzmNNw.png
21:52:57 <SomeAB> and also, which old IRC Networks are still good enough to hang around?
21:53:37 <cpet> efnet
21:53:52 <cpet> atleast you can curse there ;/
21:55:06 <la_mettrie> SomeAB: ircnet, esper.net, efnet... but the channels i know are for niche interests
21:55:46 <redruM> Yeah, some good times back then when it seemed that all channels and servers were flooded with users.
21:55:50 <cpet> darkscience
21:56:45 <cpet> you can still join BBS's but not many BSD ones
21:57:02 <cpet> still fun to login too as most are older and know more
21:57:30 <cpet> https://www.telnetbbsguide.com/bbs/list/detail/
21:57:49 <redruM> cpet: Yeah, I still play LORD (Legend of the Red Dragon) on one server.
22:00:33 <cpet> most are games
22:00:42 <cpet> but some offer some *nix communities
22:01:14 <redruM> cpet: Know of any good ones?
22:02:16 <cpet> bbs.alsgeeklab.com:2323
22:02:32 <cpet> cant go retro if you login with ssh :P
22:08:19 <Beladona> would 250 GB drive enough for freebsd having postgres, desktop environment, browser, obs, kdenlive etc. (data be elsewhere)?
22:08:28 <rbatty> yes
22:08:36 <Beladona> ok
22:08:47 <Beladona> rbatty even 100g?
22:09:07 <cpet> yes
22:09:10 <rbatty> personally i never go below 250GB on a system but even with 100GB i think youre safe as long as youre still storing outside the system
22:09:48 <rbatty> most of the applications you mentioned barely take up any space
22:10:10 <Beladona> ok.
22:10:24 <Beladona> rbatty how much usually the size grows to?
22:12:08 <rbatty> i think as long as your storing large files outside of the freebsd installation you wont even have to worry about that
22:12:27 <rbatty> pre desktop environment youre at like 1-2GB, with a desktop environment between 15-20gb
22:13:28 <Beladona> ok
22:13:45 <Beladona> can i have 10 drives of 4tb? of course with cable extensions
22:16:36 <rbatty> when it comes to external stroage on freebsd i have little knowledge, i run an ubuntu server in my house and my freebsd machine stores work on there. but i dont see why not? have you checked the docs?
22:17:36 <Beladona> ok
22:17:48 <cpet> Beladona: yes
22:17:52 <Beladona> OS has no limit I think. its a hardware limit
22:17:59 <cpet> yeap
22:20:15 <cpet> I had a 3ware card with break out cables so up too 12 drives
22:20:29 <cpet> my little mini Lenovo only has room for 2 drives and 1 NVE
22:20:49 <cpet> my desktop has room for 6 drives and 2 NVE
22:21:50 <cpet> depending on use case you could get awau with one of those synergy drive enclosures
22:23:47 <hjf> so i upgraded to 13.2-RELEASE and as usual, virtualbox broke. the vbox kernel module in ports is compiled against 13.1 so it won't load. i'm trying to build vbox from ports... it's been compiling for probably 6 hours now
22:23:58 <hjf> is there a 13.2 version in ports somewhere?
22:24:07 <hjf> in pkg*
22:24:52 <cpet> stuff from 13.1 should work in 13.2
22:24:55 <cpet> so thats false
22:25:11 <cpet> pkg update pkg upgrade
22:25:14 <cpet> should fix your issue
22:25:24 <hjf> # kldload vboxdrv
22:25:24 <hjf> kldload: an error occurred while loading module vboxdrv. Please check dmesg(8) for more details.
22:25:31 <hjf> KLD vboxdrv.ko: depends on kernel - not available or version mismatch
22:25:32 <hjf> linker_load_file: /boot/modules/vboxdrv.ko - unsupported file type
22:25:43 <cpet> why are you posting stuff withut a pastebin ?
22:25:54 <cpet> like I said pkg update pkg upgrade
22:25:57 <cpet> should fix that
22:29:43 <hjf> it doesn't
22:30:36 <cpet> time to check our ports and manually compile
22:34:00 <cpet> however i find it hard to beleive it didnt update or reinstall everything after you upgraded to 13.2
22:36:53 <hjf> i dont know, every time i upgrade freebsd releases i have the same problem with virtualbox
22:38:16 <cpet> when you update the pkg conf shouldbe updated to use the new release simple pkg update and pkg upgrade should basically reinstall all pkgs and update
22:40:42 <hjf> Message from virtualbox-ose-kmod-6.1.44 To avoid crashes due to kernel incompatibility, this module will only load on FreeBSD 13.1 kernels.
22:41:11 <hjf> pkg site is "pkg+http://pkg.FreeBSD.org/${ABI}/latest"
22:41:26 <hjf> tried also with release_2
22:55:57 <hjf> jfc lol it was gcc12 that was taking forever to build
22:56:14 <hjf> i installed it from pkg... now it wants to download a 4GB source for tex-dvipsk-2023.1
23:07:59 <IceCreamFace> I've got a thinkpad t440p with a t450 trackpad. Cant get it to scroll with the trackpoint or touchpad. Any advice?
23:45:25 <Beladona> Is it ok to `geli detach /dev/da0` a running drive ?
23:45:51 <RhodiumToad> running how? (in general, no)
23:46:19 <Beladona> its some sort of automatic reading somethign due to cron or so in system
23:46:28 <Beladona> how to plug it out?
23:46:36 <Beladona> RhodiumToad also did you got my private message?
23:46:51 <RhodiumToad> I did, podcasts aren't really my thing
23:46:58 <Beladona> ok. no problem
23:47:14 <Beladona> I still insist but can't force of course :)
23:47:21 <Beladona> how to detach
23:47:50 <RhodiumToad> fstat -f /path/to/mountpoint    (as root) will list processes accessing a filesystem
23:49:10 <RhodiumToad> a good trick to remember is that volumes with a lot of data and no programs should be mounted nosuid, this stops the daily security job from having to scan them
23:49:17 <Beladona> RhodiumToad ok killed. drive still spnning. how to  detach?
23:49:31 <RhodiumToad> did you umount the filesystem?
23:49:41 <Beladona> no
23:49:46 <Beladona> so first umount, then detach?
23:49:50 <RhodiumToad> yes
23:50:14 <Beladona> its a zpool.  named bd and mounted at /bd
23:50:23 <RhodiumToad> oh
23:50:31 <Beladona> drive is /dev/da0
23:50:32 <RhodiumToad> for zpools, you probably need to export it
23:50:37 <RhodiumToad> it's a zpool of one drive?
23:50:41 <Beladona> yes
23:50:57 <Beladona> strange I killed process accessing it and its still spining
23:52:04 <Beladona> so what should be the steps
23:53:46 <RhodiumToad> if you unmount it, does it complain that it is busy?
23:55:20 <Beladona> didn't tried. whats the best way to?
23:56:10 <Beladona> no need to export pool?
23:56:23 <RhodiumToad> exporting will try and unmount it, so try  zpool export poolname
23:57:59 <Beladona> doing, taking long, hdd keeps spinning
23:58:57 <aquamo4k> what does "fuser <mount_point>" return?  any pids?
23:59:41 <Beladona> all commands just not working
23:59:45 <Beladona> taking long