06:13:47 <grahamperrin> markmcb: which page?
06:14:06 <grahamperrin> dvl: did you find a solution?
08:46:15 <cadmio> Hello
08:46:29 <cadmio> Dou known how the ARP protocol maps data pakcages containing public IPs with MAC addresses?
09:01:28 <jgh> https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc826
09:01:31 <VimDiesel> Title: RFC 826: An Ethernet Address Resolution Protocol: Or Converting Network Protocol Addresses to 48.bit Ethernet Address for Transmission on Ethernet Hardware
10:21:00 <DarkUranium> Not really FreeBSD-related, but I figured folks here might've tried it ... has anyone here tried SmartOS?
10:34:36 <meena> DarkUranium: i have for a while
10:35:32 <meena> DarkUranium: most of the significant people from SmartOS have moved onto https://oxide.computer/
10:35:33 <VimDiesel> Title: Oxide Computer Company
10:38:21 <kenrap> Is SmartOS that illumos-based hypervisor-oriented OS?
10:52:19 <DarkUranium> meena: how come?
10:53:48 <DarkUranium> And oxide looks like it might need their own HW?
11:31:25 <meena> DarkUranium: they are building the hw and the sw
11:31:35 <meena> it's kinda their whole point
11:32:29 <DarkUranium> I mean, yes. But doesn't that make it quite different to SmartOS?
11:32:36 <DarkUranium> (not really looking to buy specific HW)
13:31:23 <daemon> hey all if I wanted to configure ZFS on a VM to be in effect the same speed as ufs would be, but with the snapshot capabilities; what would I do; or how would that be best configured
13:31:58 <daemon> would I just set a small arc memory max, disable prefetch and well .. that should about do it?
13:38:58 <mns> how do I tell when I update with freebsd-update if I need to reboot or not after installing the update ? Or is there a way to tell if I need to do that ahead of time ?
13:39:52 <yuripv> it will tell you if you need to reboot (when kernel updates are installed)
13:50:40 <mns> yuripv: thanks.  I must have been missing those.  I'll pay better attention next time.
14:16:58 <meena> daemon: how small is the VM?
14:17:29 <meena> DarkUranium: it's the whole point of their work tho
14:53:34 <daemon> meena, mhmm 8c 16G of ram, probably 2T of space
14:58:07 <markmcb> mns: or compare freebsd-version -k with uname -r
14:58:29 <markmcb> mns: if they don't match, reboot
15:00:49 <markmcb> (see Handbook 25.2.2 for details)
15:24:35 <mns> markmcb: that might work, thanks.
15:27:04 <mns> markmcb: can use freebsd-version -k and freebsd-version -r as well.  So seems like I need to reboot for 13.2-RELEASE-p1
16:41:25 <ghoti> I've got an old raspberry-pi with an old build of freebsd on it -- probably one of dianora's builds. But I don't recall any user credentials on it. The system seems to let me escape into EFI, but there's no boot menu to select single user mode. Can I select single user mode somehow from the EFI prompt?
17:02:21 <meena> daemon: sounds like plenty of resources that i might just trust the defaults into i hit bottlenecks
17:20:38 <pjs> Hi all.. question, is it generally safe to go from say 12.2 to latest stable? or will I need to step up to each level one by one?
17:25:56 <jimmiejaz>  generally it's safe.  make sure you've got backups, you're familiar with the changes in configurations.  I installed on this machine back in 2018 and been doing source updates ever since.
17:26:30 <pjs> jimmiejaz: ok cool.. yea of course, backups, etc. Just figured I'd check. I've got a 12.3 and would like to go to 13.2
17:26:41 <jimmiejaz> that would have been 12.something, and I just finished updating to 13.2.
17:27:00 <pjs> jimmiejaz: oh nice. Any gotchas I should watch out for?
17:31:01 <jimmiejaz> probably, depends on your configs, if you're using src or freebsdupdate, zfs vs. ufs, I think ZFS had some changes,  I'd do a quick google-foo reading, there are lots of guides and forum postings of folks who've done it and made notes, unlike myself who tends to do it after 6 beers or so
17:32:18 <concrete_houses> what happened to job market in computers?  its offshoring goign turbo?
17:32:22 <concrete_houses> wow
17:32:49 <concrete_houses> Is there a wiki on how to up max open files on freebsd?
17:32:56 <concrete_houses> my efforts ahve failed
17:32:59 <concrete_houses> apparently
17:33:05 <concrete_houses> or is it assumed zfs?
17:33:17 <concrete_houses> ufs here on usb drive
17:33:38 <concrete_houses> /dev/da1p2 on /a (ufs, local, soft-updates, journaled soft-updates)
17:33:52 <llua> a shotgun of random thought
17:34:25 <concrete_houses> If I want to raise my max open files on 13.2 what should I do?
17:35:02 <concrete_houses> I tried setting some sysctl variables and it seemed to change nothing.
17:35:31 <concrete_houses> Is it assumed that people use zfs and don't deal with such limits?
17:35:44 <concrete_houses> My good man?
17:35:57 <concrete_houses> God save the queens english and all that.
17:38:00 <ghoti> pjs: somewhere in there you might have had an opportunity to update your zpool I think, but things still work on old pools.
17:40:41 <pjs> jimmiejaz: ghoti: thanks for the tips!
17:43:34 <ghoti> concrete_houses: re job market, perhaps it depends what shore you're on, and whether your employer wants in-office employees.
17:45:46 <ghoti> concrete_houses: re files, does kern.maxfilesperproc help you?
18:52:36 <grahamperrin> pjs: read the release notes for whatever you're skipping. 13.0 in particular.
19:04:14 <pjs> grahamperrin: I definitely did. The update went smooth so far. Now after the first reboot it's slow as hell to boot. I should have disabled all services (but ssh) before rebooting.
19:04:32 <jemius> description says: "join #freebsd-ops for help". That channel says "This channel if for irc management, please ping us if you need help!"
19:04:34 <pjs> Is it a bad idea to boot into single user mode while the update is midway like this? So I can disable some services and reboot
19:04:41 <jemius> Instructions unclear... which channel is for what?
19:08:31 <V_PauAmma_V> This channel is for help with FreeBSD. -ops is for help if someone is causing trouble in this channel.
19:09:05 <jemius> Normally a channel has admins present for that though
19:11:18 <V_PauAmma_V> They're volunteers and thus not paying attention 24/7. Having a separate channel for alerting whoever may be looking in is probably what they went for. (Going on a limb here, as I'm not one and not privy to the actual reasoning.)
19:16:20 <RhodiumToad> there is also merit in keeping meta-discussions out of the main channel
19:49:57 <dautor_> Could someone help me understand why some of my zone files are not working correctly?
19:50:09 <dautor_> I am trying to move SOA record to a separate "header" file and have it be included in all relevant zones.
19:50:20 <dautor_> It works in reverse zones, but not in others.
19:50:46 <dautor_> I can provide more information if someone is interested in helping.
19:50:47 <RhodiumToad> what does the file look like?
19:51:02 * RhodiumToad has a fair amount of expertise in this area
19:52:50 <dautor_> bsd.to is not working so I will use pastebin...
19:53:30 <RhodiumToad> dpaste.org please
19:53:43 <RhodiumToad> or use nc termbin.com 9999
19:53:53 <dautor_> ok
19:54:22 <RhodiumToad> (dpaste.org can also be easily pasted to using curl)
19:54:43 <dautor_> common/header: https://dpaste.org/HEPBJ/raw
19:56:07 <dautor_> view1/xxxxxxx: https://dpaste.org/D4SrR/raw (does not work there)
19:56:44 <dautor_> Below those lines in view1/xxxxxxx are just irrelevant records.
19:56:46 <RhodiumToad> view1/xxxxxxx is referenced from the .conf file how?
19:57:46 <dautor_> reverse zone file: https://dpaste.org/ucUk0/raw (works here)
19:59:29 <dautor_> RhodiumToad conf file reference to them https://dpaste.org/6MLd5/raw
20:02:53 <RhodiumToad> ok, let me check something
20:03:19 <dautor_> Here is the directory structure: https://dautor.xyz/files/1.png (blue is working directory for bind, yellow are zone files, red under primary are views)
20:04:02 <dautor_> Ok :) And thank you for helping me!
20:10:35 <RhodiumToad> are you defining A records for those ns records somewhere?
20:12:07 <dautor_> Yes. Also, it works fine if I copy-paste the first line from "common/header" into the zone file right before the first include directive.
20:13:53 <RhodiumToad> well, I seem to have a working example locally
20:14:24 <RhodiumToad> now to try and figure out how yours differs
20:16:51 <dautor_> Here is the output from /var/log/daemon.log if it helps: https://dautor.xyz/files/2.png
20:18:07 <RhodiumToad> I got that "no owner" a lot when I had the relative pathname wrong (so it wasn't finding the file, but it didn't say so)
20:19:04 <RhodiumToad> huh, but if I break that now, I do get a file-not-found
20:19:06 <RhodiumToad> weird
20:19:28 <RhodiumToad> aha.
20:19:29 <dautor_> Yeah... When I try changing relative path it says it can't find it, and does not error out with "no owner".
20:19:59 <RhodiumToad> what are the records immediately following the $INCLUDE ? it turns out they do matter.
20:21:48 <RhodiumToad> basically, the first record after the $INCLUDE can't have its name omitted, it has to specify a name (relative or not) or @
20:21:52 <dautor_> I'm not sure which one do you mean. Inside "common/header" is SOA, NS, NS, in the second included file is A for ns2 first and some other As and CNAMEs.
20:22:08 <RhodiumToad> in the views1/xxx file
20:22:34 <dautor_> IN  A   192.168.4.1
20:22:38 <dautor_> omitted name :)
20:22:44 <RhodiumToad> there you go
20:23:16 <dautor_> Ah, thank you so much :D
20:23:19 <RhodiumToad> and presumably in the reverse zones where it was working, you have either $GENERATE or some record with an explicit name
20:24:06 <dautor_> Yeah. Such a weird problem... And unintuitive error messages.
20:24:45 <dautor_> How did you find what the problem was? Experience with similar things or is there some structured process to debugging zone files?
20:25:34 <RhodiumToad> I started from scratch and did it how I would have done it, got it to work, then compared to yours to see what was different
20:27:23 <V_PauAmma_V> For my future reference as a disinterested 3ed party: would zone linters have helped?
20:27:33 <V_PauAmma_V> s/3ed/3rd/
20:27:42 <RhodiumToad> I don't know. haven't tried any.
20:28:02 * RhodiumToad figures he knows his zone files better than some random tool
20:28:26 <V_PauAmma_V> *nod*
20:29:50 <dautor_> Are there some linters you could recommend me? I havent tried any.
20:34:21 <V_PauAmma_V> Neither have I. Last I poked at zone files was long ago, so I don't know how good today's tools are. But "pkg search lint | grep -i dns" returns some you can try.
20:37:36 <rwp> BIND9 comes with two linters built in.  Run named-checkconf on the configuration and named-checkzone on the zone files.
20:39:00 <RhodiumToad> seems to give the same uninformative message in this case that loading the zone does.
20:47:36 <rwp> The advantage to those are that they use the same code that runs to load the configuration and the zone files but without loading the configuration or loading the zone files.
20:48:25 <rwp> For my domains when changing them the check-in scripts run those first and if they fail then they don't allow the check-in and reject it.  Preventing service downtime by preventing invalid config or zones.
20:52:26 <RhodiumToad> yeah, that's a reasonable plan
20:55:39 <mason> There are folks that think the world is only a few thousand years old, other than think it's flat. There are people that doubt the moon landings happened. I'm not surprised.
20:55:50 <mason> Wrong channel.
20:55:59 * mason pushes it over to #freebsd-social.
21:17:58 <concrete_houses> 600 years old
21:18:04 <concrete_houses> from space kingdoms
21:18:06 <concrete_houses> duh
21:19:07 <concrete_houses> netbsd vs freebsd which is better and why?
21:19:20 <concrete_houses> and how do both cmopare to archlinux?
21:19:24 <meena> yes
21:20:04 <concrete_houses> is it me or is youtube censored heavily now? I am banned for 24 hour then in danger again in 10min jeesh
21:24:53 <arch-nemesis> concrete_houses: there's a pretty good "rant" about the differences here. https://www.over-yonder.net/~fullermd/rants/bsd4linux/01
21:24:54 <VimDiesel> Title: BSD For Linux Users :: Intro
21:26:08 <arch-nemesis> but linux and BSD are similar to each other when compared to Windows. I think the main difference is the concept of the base system. If you're unfamiliar with both, I'd suggest trying them out!
22:21:58 <kenrap> I'd say that the main point of NetBSD is its portability though FreeBSD had also be ported to many architectures later on. From a practical day-to-day POV FreeBSD is better, however if you're an "academic" and love to research and explore new areas in OS development, NetBSD is better.
22:22:17 <kenrap> *been ported
22:25:29 * meena points at NetBSD rumpkernel
22:56:27 <markmcb> concrete_houses: msg me if you want. Have used Arch for a long time on my laptop and just recentely started using FreeBSD on my servers. Happy to shed light on any specifics you may be considering.