00:02:08 <temp64> it works
00:02:20 <temp64> i can ping stuff and it doesn't crash
00:03:41 <rwp> temp64, Your new installed system?  (And also the installer system too.  But obviously the installed system is the real need.)
00:04:32 <temp64> Both
00:04:42 <rwp> Woot!
00:09:47 <cpet> weather man lied to me
00:10:46 <temp64> bsd.to broke, here's the dmesg https://rentry.co/2vsek
00:10:47 <VimDiesel> Title: ugen3.3: <A4TECH USB Device> at usbus3 (disconnected)
00:11:45 <manu1> hi
00:12:04 <cpet> that is the most useless dmesg
00:13:13 <parv> cpet, What is missing?
00:13:26 <cpet> an error
00:13:58 <temp64> >driver bug
00:14:19 <temp64> Unable to set devclass (class: ppc devname: (unknown))
00:14:21 <cpet> take it the HP is the wifi card ?
00:14:36 <cpet> temp64:  if you are still using a ppc device god help you
00:15:23 <temp64> AX200 is the card
00:15:31 <temp64> i don't even know what ppc is
00:15:34 <cpet> yeah good luck with that
00:16:04 <rwp> Bummer!  https://bsd.to is definitely not in a happy state!
00:16:44 <cpet> seeing how many pastebin you can find with google
00:16:50 <cpet> youll get over bsd.to not working
00:17:31 <rwp> Unfortunately several of those pastebins are truly awful!  Advertisements.  Non-free source code and Javascript.  Blech!
00:18:17 <cpet> you are using it to paste bin something not to show off how it looks
00:18:23 <cpet> damn always something with you rwp ;/
00:18:45 <rwp> Achievement unlocked! :-)
00:19:03 <cpet> do you know what the device ID is
00:19:27 <cpet> https://wiki.freebsd.org/WiFi/Iwlwifi
00:19:28 <VimDiesel> Title: WiFi/Iwlwifi - FreeBSD Wiki
00:19:53 <cpet> if its not shown here either learn to add in device ID manually and recompile or buy a card that is actually OSS such as atheros or something
00:20:00 <cpet> or be like me and stop using wifi al together
00:20:49 <cpet> AX200 is supported but maybe not that specific device
00:21:07 <rwp> temp64, Perhaps use "usbconfig" (as root) to probe USB connected devices?
00:21:22 <temp64> uhh
00:21:52 <cpet> ANd not that having the top of the line in a BSD isnt wise
00:22:16 <cpet> note*
00:22:59 <temp64> i'm at a loss
00:23:06 <cpet> Welcome to *BSD
00:23:07 <cpet> :)
00:23:28 <temp64> the wi-fi card is working, when i mentioned the "driver bug" thing, i was referring to a seemingly unrelated entry in dmesg paste
00:23:35 <cpet> cd /boot/kernel && ls *if_*
00:23:42 <cpet> man one of those and buy a card listed
00:24:03 <cpet> we still lack all the specific features that make AX* worth while any ways
00:24:13 <rwp> I think I will interpret that with free software operating systems and drivers that older is better than newer because new is often not yet reverse engineered completely but older has been cooking longer and more often works better?
00:24:25 <cpet> rwp: bingo
00:24:32 <temp64> (works on openbsd though) :DDD
00:24:54 <temp64> nah, but really
00:24:55 <cpet> OpenBSD has better support for laptops
00:25:07 <temp64> i don't really know what features ax200 has
00:25:17 <cpet> speed
00:25:37 <cpet> the max youll get is G
00:25:45 <cpet> think thats 54MB
00:25:54 <cpet> Mbit*
00:26:18 <cpet> I would return that USB and get one listed in if_ath
00:26:29 <temp64> what do you mean usb
00:26:38 <temp64> it's built into my motherboard, it's a mini-ITX box
00:26:45 <cpet> I guess that the usb is the wifi
00:28:11 <cpet> pastebin pciconf -lv
00:28:25 <parv> temp64, Does "802.11ax" mean anything to you? That standard provides for higher speed over 802.11[bgnac]
00:29:11 <rwp> I had also been assuming your wifi was usb too since something I thought I read.  Was I wrong?  Is it on PCI?
00:29:19 <parv> ... also for muliple streams (to the same client) depending on capabilities of client & WiFi access point
00:29:56 <temp64> https://www.gigabyte.com/Motherboard/X570-I-AORUS-PRO-WIFI-rev-10/sp#sp
00:29:58 <VimDiesel> Title: X570 I AORUS PRO WIFI (rev. 1.0) Specification | Motherboard - GIGABYTE Global
00:30:06 <temp64> PCI
00:30:19 <cpet> pastebin that cmd
00:30:29 <cpet> so we know exactly what we are dealing with
00:30:42 <cpet> im looking for a specific series of numbers
00:31:24 <temp64> https://rentry.co/ee8c5
00:31:25 <VimDiesel> Title: hostb0@pci0:0:0:0: class=0x060000 rev=0x00 hdr=0x00 vendor=0x1022 device=0x1630 subvendor=0x...
00:31:59 <parv> The USB related messages are (mostly?) for the keyboard
00:32:19 <temp64> it's 100% PCI
00:32:58 <temp64> the last time I had troubles with USB devices on FreeBSD, it was some cheap chinese keyboard that's already fallen apart
00:33:28 <temp64> now it just works™
00:33:39 <temp64> everything
00:33:45 <temp64> or almost everything
00:33:48 <parv> Sweet!
00:34:04 <parv> Wait... what is not working?
00:35:26 <temp64> I don't know yet, it's like the 14th minute my pc is running this os :P
00:35:50 <temp64> I'll drop that qualifier once I manage to setup xorg
00:36:43 <parv> There is also "wayland"
00:39:03 <temp64> nah, i'm not interested in that
00:40:24 <cpet> well go look at the driver source and look for that device ID
00:40:37 <cpet> just realized wtf am I doing it if I dont even have wifi in my machine
00:41:05 * cpet goes back to tinekring with nsd
00:48:34 <parv> I am in good company then
01:07:48 <cpet> hover bought enom, so now when you change the glues you have to do a live chat
02:02:43 * kevans sighs at the name "matrix" for a communication ecosystem
02:03:09 <RhodiumToad> heh
02:03:19 <kevans> it's not bad, it's just 100% ungoogleable
02:03:29 <RhodiumToad> it could be worse
02:03:48 <kevans> true
02:16:48 <concrete_houses> how do I launch the pulseaudio volume control gui thing?
02:16:53 <concrete_houses> audio so low on youtube
02:16:59 <concrete_houses> mixer at 100
02:39:09 <cpet> kill off pulseaudio
02:39:39 <cpet> and use the option that mentions overburn or something
02:40:03 <cpet> they dont want us to lose our hearing so they force limitations
02:50:27 <concrete_houses> what is the name of the gui     pvau
02:50:30 <concrete_houses> or something
02:50:58 <henryhu> pavucontrol?
02:52:34 <cpet> i know kde and xfce have an option in the default volume to overrun the default volume
02:52:41 <cpet> so youll see the volume be 200
03:31:34 <redruM> concrete_houses: Try pamixer.
03:31:41 <redruM> concrete_houses: pamixer --allow-boost --set-volume 153
03:32:38 <cpet> or just kill off pulseaudio and it just works
07:46:47 <nerozero> hello
07:52:01 <nerozero> networking question, I have 2 routers in the network from different providers, how is it possible to redirect port from both routers to a bsd machine?
07:52:43 <nerozero> the issue is with the default gateway, which is looking towards one of the providers
07:53:09 <nerozero> my guess there is something to do with setfib`s
07:57:35 <meena0> nerozero: what are you trying rn, and what's the result?
07:58:29 <nerozero> meena0, thanks for quick reply, moment I will try to describe it in pastebin ..
08:02:18 <nerozero> https://dpaste.org/i1FYK
08:02:19 <VimDiesel> Title: dpaste/i1FYK (Python)
08:03:00 <nerozero> so the issue is that, i would like to be able to connect to bsd machine via ssh using both providers
08:03:18 <nerozero> at the moment bsd defaultrouter is set to 10.20.0.1
08:04:01 <nerozero> the port redirect works on router 10.20.0.1 but not from the router 10.20.0.2
08:04:35 <nerozero> static routes would not work due to incomming packets comming from the internet
08:29:57 <nerozero> meena0, no ?
08:41:46 <meena0> I'm just trying to think thru it
08:42:57 <nerozero> meena0, thank you :) 20 years ago I solved same problem using ipfw-forwars... but ipfw forwards working differently now days...
08:44:57 <nerozero> https://i.imgur.com/Rp93YAU.png
08:59:38 <yuripv> differently how?
09:07:03 <meena0> if i sit down and try it, i can see how to solve this in pf, but ipfw should be equally capable
09:38:18 <pvalenta> nerozero, is possible to run proxy on router?
09:44:53 <pvalenta> nerozero, proxy does not pass connection from internet but creates new connection to your server from self, so connection come from 10.20.0.1 or 10.20.0.2
10:50:05 <nerozero> pvalenta, proxy will hide external ip address so...
11:00:32 <nerozero> meena0, thank you so much for your effort! Asked same question on a BSD forum. https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/two-isp-port-redirect-to-bsd-machine.89384/
11:00:33 <VimDiesel> Title: Two ISP, Port redirect to BSD machine | The FreeBSD Forums
11:01:11 <meena0> is it just me, or is this bectl behaviour a little strange: https://gist.github.com/igalic/1fca3daeb7dc625b94d373a21ff51da5 ?
11:01:12 <VimDiesel> Title: gist:1fca3daeb7dc625b94d373a21ff51da5 · GitHub
11:01:18 <meena0> is this how ZFS snapshots work?
11:02:49 <meena0> nerozero: I'm glad people who have their brains already booted up can reply to you
11:09:35 <nerozero> i prefer to use own scripts instead of beadm
11:11:54 <nerozero> meena0, i had supranational issue couple of times while trying recover data from corrupted zfs pool
11:12:31 <nerozero> afterwards i have start using own zfs snapshot things
12:04:14 <meena0> tsoome: I'm observing something something strange with loader. I have two kernels installed: /boot/kernel.GENERIC-NODEBUG, and /boot/kernel.GENERIC-MMCAMM, but loader defaults to /boot/kernel, despite there not even being such a directory. What's up there?
12:06:59 <tsoome> do you have kernels_autodetect="YES" ?
12:08:42 <tsoome> you may want to check https://man.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=core.lua&apropos=0&sektion=8&manpath=FreeBSD+14.0-CURRENT&arch=default&format=html
12:08:44 <VimDiesel> Title: core.lua(8)
12:15:54 <meena0> tsoome: i have that set and the effect is the same
12:16:04 <meena0> how do I know I'm using the lua based loader, and not the 4th one?
12:16:21 <meena0> (how do I ensure I'm using it)
12:16:34 <tsoome> try to enter on OK prompt: 1 1 + . cr
12:16:38 <tsoome> :D
12:18:39 <tsoome> anyhow, looking for kernel is entirely scripted and I havent used non-standard location for kernel, so can not tell out of my head. probably need to dig in core.lua etc...
12:19:18 <meena0> tsoome: it's not nonstandard tho, it's what you get when you build and install all kernels
12:19:27 <meena0> (except for GENERIC lol)
12:19:52 <meena0> tsoome: you can try my repo: https://alpha.pkgbase.live/
12:19:53 <VimDiesel> Title: Unofficial FreeBSD pkgbase repository
12:22:12 <tsoome> I guess, the fastest option would be to poke Kyle.
12:24:03 <meena0> I think it'd be faster to read Kyle's code and fix it, than poke him and wait two weeks to notice that someone's poking him
12:27:58 <cpet> Then wait the same two weeks for it to timeout then be committed
12:28:44 <cpet> There's been issues in os known for years which have been recently fixed I don't worry about updating that quickly
12:31:34 <meena0> cpet: yeah, I know. I've been afflicted by that, too…
12:32:37 <meena0> not actually sure now if afflicted is a word
12:32:49 <meena0> or what it means to be honest
12:32:52 <cpet> Inflicted ?
12:33:51 <meena0> seems to mean what I thought it meant: https://dict.tu-chemnitz.de/dings.cgi?lang=en&mini=1&count=50&query=afflicted&service=en-de
12:33:52 <VimDiesel> Title: afflicted : Dictionary / Wörterbuch (BEOLINGUS, TU Chemnitz)
12:35:20 <meena0> either way, now that patches from external contributors are accepted thru GitHub my mean patch accept time has gone down from months to days
13:52:13 <CrtxReavr> Some clown in #linux is trying to run Notepad++ under Wine.
13:54:34 <Demosthenex> nice. just use emacs.
13:55:45 <CrtxReavr> Demosthenex, emacs and wine + notepad++ probably have similar footprints.
13:59:26 <cpet> It's all about the patches
14:04:30 <Demosthenex> CrtxReavr: yeah, emacs hass it's own OS ;]
14:05:53 <CrtxReavr> And about three PlayStation emulators.
14:06:20 <thedaemon_> NotepadNext is a Notepad++ clone for Un*x
14:06:21 <CrtxReavr> Still lacks a decent text editor though, sadly.
14:06:42 <thedaemon_> lul
14:08:06 <thedaemon_> Is there a Notepad like gui text editor with a tiny footprint? Not requiring Gnome or KDE?
14:12:58 <llua> mousepad
14:13:25 <thedaemon_> Doesn'
14:13:29 <thedaemon_> t that require XFCE?
14:13:34 <thedaemon_> let me look :)
14:13:35 <llua> no
14:13:45 <thedaemon_> llua, nice thanks :)
14:27:31 <CrtxReavr> thedaemon_, this is closer to notepad++ like, but: https://github.com/dail8859/NotepadNext
14:27:33 <VimDiesel> Title: GitHub - dail8859/NotepadNext: A cross-platform, reimplementation of Notepad++
14:30:50 <thedaemon_> yeah that's what I was referring to. I haven't actually used it though.
14:54:30 <prahou> or leafpad, thedaemon
15:26:04 <apollo13> does anyone have an idea on how to debug pfsync issues? some kernel options to get it to throw some debug messages somewhere or similar?
15:27:39 <apollo13> more specifically I am probably trying to enable PF_DEBUG_MISC
15:55:47 <CmdLnKid> maybbe adding PF_DEBUG_MISC=YES to /etc/src.conf or /etc/make.conf would help and rebuildijng world... kernel ? there may be some other way ref'd by the handboook or overstack
20:40:50 <last1> is there a limit to how many IPs an ipfw table can hold before it impacts performance ?
20:42:31 <dodo> when memory is exhausted?
20:44:17 <last1> and up until the memory is exhausted the performance is the same as if it held 10 entries ?
22:11:23 <RhodiumToad> tables are explicitly intended to be fast even when large
22:12:29 <RhodiumToad> the implementation details depend on the table type
22:48:18 <acu> hello all - I have seen that FreeBSD 14 RELEASE is delayed - what is the progress ? Is it totally stuck ....
22:48:33 <manu2> hi
22:50:18 <RhodiumToad> it's delayed because of the need to update everything to openssl 3.x
22:51:35 <last1> which shell does root crontab run as ? same as root user ?
22:52:03 <RhodiumToad> no, it uses /bin/sh
22:52:33 <last1> k, so this should be valid in crontab : > /dev/null 2>&1
22:53:06 <RhodiumToad> yes, that works
22:53:40 <acu> RhodiumToad, thanks a bunch - is there a forum or thread about the progress ?
22:54:19 <RhodiumToad> not that I know of
22:54:53 <acu> thks
22:58:55 <last1> RhodiumToad is like the ChatGPT99 of #FreeBSD
23:00:02 <RhodiumToad> except I don't hallucinate :-)
23:00:42 <last1> indeed
23:11:12 <rwp> Don't suffer from insanity.  Enjoy every moment of it! :-)
23:28:14 <meena> sometimes I wonder if I'm missing out by completely ignoring ChatGPT
23:28:22 <RhodiumToad> nah
23:28:54 <meena> but then again, sometimes i wonder if I'm missing out by ignoring Kubernetes, and i know for a fact that I'm not