01:36:51 Is there nothing like mhddfs for FreeBSD? 01:37:10 Basically a way to mount a whole bunch of drives into one big filesystem (at file-level, so not block level like gconcat) 01:38:11 mount how exactly? 01:38:39 Well on Linux I can have a bunch of drives with the same folder names but different drives 01:39:08 With MHDDFS I can make one virtual mount, in which I can see that folder but all the files from the same drives combined 01:39:15 And if I create a new file it will pick the most empty drive 01:39:45 It's really handy to have a NAS with totally different sizes of drives and still see them in one and the same tree 01:40:16 it looks like a fuse filesystem, which should mean it should be portable to freebsd 01:40:57 and lo, there already exists a port 01:41:03 sysutils/fusefs-mhddfs 01:41:31 Hmmm the one on Linux I use is not fuse I think 01:41:38 I don't like fuse so much due to its instability 01:41:57 But ok if it's the only way... Thanks! 01:42:05 what linux distro are you using? 01:42:25 because every mention of mhddfs that I find mentions that it is a fuse filesystem 01:42:42 Debian / Openmediavault 01:42:53 But I'd like to move to FreeBSD for real ZFS support 01:43:18 That does explain a lot because even on debian it's a bit unstable lol 01:44:12 But ok it should work, it's mostly for reading anyway 01:44:15 Thanks! 01:44:20 anything like that that works at file level is always going to be a bit of a hack 01:44:49 Yeah but block level is really a problem if you want to be able to just rip one drive out and replace it with a bigger one 01:44:55 And just copy the files over that were on it 01:45:22 I have 8 drives and I can't upgrade them all at the same time so any RAID solutions including RAIDZ are just out of the question, sadly 01:48:17 Once a year or so I buy a new drive, replace the smallest one in the NAS and the old drive goes into my backup box where I basically use all the old drives as tape cartridges :3 01:48:44 With tar multi-volume which I also have to check on FreeBSD, now that I think of it 01:50:25 There is not yet any support for multi-volume archives. 01:50:34 so sayeth `man tar` 01:50:41 ouch ok 01:50:46 Thanks! 01:50:53 Maybe I can build gnu tar for this or something 01:50:54 Willcheck 01:51:09 gnu tar is available as a port/package 01:51:25 Ahh nice thanx 01:51:30 That will do for this purpose 01:52:06 I know it's a bit of a weird setup all in all but without money to upgrade all my drives, I don't really see a better way 01:52:22 A friend recommended unraid but it's all so proprietary, I don't like it 01:52:35 And I really want block checksumming 03:22:32 hi 06:11:00 <|F9|> Hi people, anyone have experience using ngircd? 06:32:49 |F9|: that name sounds familar; perhaps long ago 06:33:26 <|F9|> I just can't find any information about vHosts. 06:33:56 that's not really a freebsd issue 06:34:54 I accidentally destroyed the zfs dataset containing my home directory. I didn't do anything destructive after that--I immediate exported the pool. The internet indicates that it may be possible to recover it with: zpool import -N -T txg-id -o readonly yroot, where txg-id is a txg from before I destroyed the dataset 06:35:36 the txg which removed it was 336735. If I use any id above 336735, the import succeeds (but of course lacks my data). If I use 336735 or 336734, however, it hangs for a while and then prints: cannot import 'yroot': one or more devices is currently unavailable 06:35:55 rather confused by this. Any suggestions? Is there anything I can do? 06:36:22 moon-child: restore from backup and not make that mistake again. 06:37:07 " immediate exported the pool" you mean zpool export -f ? 06:37:39 I don't remember 06:38:30 i don't expect you to get any further data back. 06:38:47 you might be able to use zdb to display the transactions 06:38:54 why is it printing that error? Presumably the device is available. (Wasn't in raid or anything like that, so there's only one device. Perhaps it's flaking out? Seems unlikely, as I got it pretty recently, but maybe it would be helpful to copy everything onto another disc?) 06:40:31 it's printing the error because it can't import that transaction 06:42:03 <|F9|> rtprio: Yeah I know, sorry, just nobody is on #ngircd, and I have no idea where else I can ask. 06:42:18 seems like a strange thing to print in that situation :P but ok. What am I looking for in zdb output? 06:43:08 you're going to have to do some research first as it could be more destructive than what you did 06:43:29 it's like, if you're using zdb, you're already way off the rails of 99% of zfs usage 06:43:45 |F9|: vhosts for the client or... server ? 06:44:06 <|F9|> rtprio: for clients, eg cloaks. 06:44:15 <|F9|> I have not found literally anything, will search more of course. 06:45:56 if it's not in the documentation, perhaps it's not supported 06:46:19 https://github.com/ngircd/ngircd/blob/master/doc/sample-ngircd.conf.tmpl#L162 06:46:20 Title: ngircd/sample-ngircd.conf.tmpl at master · ngircd/ngircd · GitHub 07:03:53 <|F9|> rtprio: Features .. > Supports "cloaking" of users 07:04:48 <|F9|> ah I see 07:49:21 My wpa_supplicant.conf only contains the ctrl_interface='' option, I start wpa_supplicant -B and try to scan with wpa_cli which gives me <3>CTRL-EVENT-SCAN-RESULTS\n<3>CTRL-EVENT-NETWORK-NOT-FOUND 07:50:09 I dont have WPA setup on the interface in rc.conf so wpa_supplicant doesnt auto start 07:50:34 How should one interpret the error messages? 08:49:18 Hi, It's fine that nginx logs are rotated automatically but I would like to know, what created file /etc/newsyslog.conf.d/local.conf ...Does anyone know? 08:53:42 I have this file on two servers and on third is missing, so probably I created it myself and don't remember it. So i take my question back, mystery is solved :) 08:54:06 vyborne! 09:36:35 Someone know if there is a way to have a bigger / wide-screen resolution with GOP/bhyve? 10:39:31 pvalenta: pkg which /etc/newsyslog.conf.d/local.conf say anything? 11:09:00 meena0, actually no,... I had create it myself year ago and forgot it. I am sorry for stupid question 11:09:45 pvalenta: brains are like that sometimes 11:18:35 hi, i'm having troubles to send system reports via smtpauth ( too complicated with bsd built-in sendmail ) 11:19:31 is there a way to change mail sending mechanism that way to send reports by using, say other programs ? 11:20:22 or let say substitute it via python script 11:23:04 I don't know how to parse that question. 11:23:47 :) 11:24:34 i need a simpler way to send e-mail reports ( in general ) by using smtps / smtpauth 11:29:41 Do you mean the reports generated by periodic(8)? 11:30:01 periodic, smartd, ..... 11:30:55 smartd isn't part of the base system. 11:31:18 but still sending mails using /usr/bin/mail 11:31:44 So find something that replaces /usr/bin/mail 11:32:02 dma does, as it's already replaced sendmail in 14-CURRENT. 11:32:46 uh, really ???? 11:33:07 do you have a link to this awesome news ? 12:55:10 nerozero: https://cgit.freebsd.org/src/commit/?id=a67b925ff3e58b072a60b633e442ee1d33e47f7f 12:55:11 Title: src - FreeBSD source tree 13:22:30 too bad that wasnt opensmtpd instead \o/ 13:31:46 dkeav, thanks 14:34:57 CmdLnKid: for a long time people were asking for dma, and it couldn't be imported to base because the cluster admin team practices dog-fooding - and when dma finally got imported, because I got the features needed, you want a replacement that nobody knows if it does the right thing? 14:35:48 Also, OpenBSD doesn't exactly have a great trackrecord of accepting patches, cf. dhclient in FreeBSD ending up as its own fork because they refused to accept the capsicum patches and a bunch of other things. 15:02:33 whelp at least the syntax matches up with openbsd pf and can easily be configured in 5 lines of a config but i mean that wouldn't make sense or anything. but surprisingly since my involvement in 2001 it hasn't all be just moved to ports since its consistently been bikeshedded 15:05:25 but hey what would anyone else know, i haven't heard a damn thing about dma before ... $today 15:57:31 dma is great ...I use it on all freebsd instances except mail server where I use opensmtpd 16:12:43 how do I monitor the data flow between my machines? 16:13:15 I think I want to try and lower amount of data flowing, like make apps ask for smaller amount of data to get job done 16:22:06 /29/29 16:33:00 meena could you paste me that review link again, please 17:31:02 tsoome: https://reviews.freebsd.org/D40094 17:31:03 Title: ⚙ D40094 Add a virtio-gpu 2D driver 17:32:08 ugh, how do you mark individual comment in bugzilla as spam? (https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=251674#c13) 17:32:11 Title: 251674 – libc++: std::wcout does not use global locale set via setlocale() 17:47:09 meena thanks 17:47:32 yuripv: usually you edit and replace the contents with SPAM 18:29:22 Hello people, Please forgive me, if what i ask sounds rude or lazy. I wanted to move away from Linux and so after 3-4 months of reading and comparing, i finally decided to move to free-bsd. This was a month ago. Yes I am that useless. But once i installed freebsd, my laptop (Thinkpad E450) gets heated even while the systemm is in bootloader process. I tried finding a reason, but couldn't. I 18:29:23 finally gave up and I am currenlty in limbo, using a temporary linux distro to just work with. I have only one machine. I would love to move to freebsd and want to give one more try. 18:30:30 Has anyone been through this before? is it how this is? that, the freebsd kernel works differently and sso this is expected? or is ther something i can do about it and finally move to freebsd, if so please direct me how. 18:30:39 thanks in advance 18:32:14 I am a fairly advanced user and have been using linux for the past 10 years, the free bsd tools are different, and i am willing to learn, but the heat issue scares me, as i have only one machine, my Thinkpad E450 and i can't afford one if that's gone. 18:33:06 I've mostly used gentoo and arch (70%) and have recently swotched to void before taking a plunge to freebsd 18:33:14 anything else please ask 18:33:39 sozuba: most Systems don't initialize why power saving infrastructure at that stage 18:34:16 meena0: forgive my ignorance, but this doesn't happen in linux. 18:35:35 After going through about bsds, especially freebsd i thought i found my place, but this heating issue is a huge pain. If this can be sorted, i could start from there and work my way in learning the different tools 18:35:58 sozuba: Are the fans being driven? Did you enable frequency controls? 18:36:03 i also plann to post in the forum, and wait for a while to see if something good comes out for me, if not i have no other option but to go back :( 18:36:26 sozuba: I find that FreeBSD tends to lag with power management, as you're seeing, but you should be able to keep it from running hot. 18:36:59 mason: at that time, yes i checked, i could here the fans running and i have no idea about the frequency controls. May be these are something i could start with. Can you post me a link to these resources so i could read them? 18:37:01 please 18:37:13 sozuba: what stage of boot exactly are you concerned about? 18:37:23 sozuba: https://man.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=powerd&sektion=8&format=html for one 18:37:25 Title: powerd(8) 18:37:29 mason: that's a relief to hear. If the running hot issue can be solved, i would be greatful 18:37:38 sozuba: Also, there are folks with out of tree projects that will handly SMAPI for you. 18:37:46 handle* 18:38:47 RhodiumToad: the issue happens right after powering on, as soon as the first bsssd bootloader texts come in. INitially i thought it was becuse i had encrypted my disk, but even without it, this happend. 18:39:10 mason: i will definitely read through the link. thanks 18:39:50 sozuba: at that point the bootloader (there is no kernel yet) is typically using 100% of one cpu core, and this will typically be true until you enter the kernel 18:40:00 mason: tree projects? https://freebsdfoundation.org/project/flattened-device-tree-project/ <- this? 18:40:06 Title: Flattened Device Tree Project | FreeBSD Foundation 18:40:30 sozuba: Was thinking of https://github.com/sghctoma/thinkpad-smapi - it reads but doesn't write correctly on my T420 but I bet it's a minor correction either way 18:40:31 Title: GitHub - sghctoma/thinkpad-smapi: Thinkpad SMAPI driver for FreeBSD 18:40:42 "out of tree" as in not maintained as part of FreeBSD 18:40:43 sozuba: the question is, how long are you leaving it in this state and why is it getting noticably hot? 18:41:12 things like powerd only apply after you're in multiuser, at which point the problem is likely gone anyway 18:41:22 RhodiumToad: oh okay, but even after I've logged in the system is hot, after a week of this i got scared and didn't want to destory the only and last option i have for a pc 18:41:50 RhodiumToad: these are the questions i tried finding an answer for, but in vain. 18:42:30 But all your response has given me some encouragement to go for another try. As has been many cases, i've usually had one or two tries to get fully into something, and i hope it works here too 18:42:39 but very scared to kill my pc. 18:43:12 mason: will definitely have a look 18:43:12 sozuba: I mean, how long between starting to boot and seeing the kernel startup messages (the ones after --<>--) 18:44:33 i would say even before the first text message of starting the kernel or a second after the first line popos up 18:44:36 pops* 18:46:11 that's not what I meant 18:46:57 the time between starting to boot and getting those kernel messages is time spent using 100% of one cpu core. how long is that for you in seconds? 18:52:15 RhodiumToad: May be a 1-2 seconds, thats something I will have to check, as I don;t remember. What i will do is, I will try reinstalling free-bsd and let you know.is that fine? I will remember your user handle and tag you, if that is okay with you. 18:52:19 anyone seen a TUI wifi manager? 18:53:06 if only a few seconds of cpu usage is enough for the machine to become noticably hot, that sounds like a problem 18:54:18 RhodiumToad: I first thought may be my hardware is done, but after re-installing linux, it works without any heat. 18:54:47 is this using UEFI, legacy bios, or something else? 18:54:53 there's so many abbev's one can only assume TUI is a TCL user interface to wifi management 18:55:16 tui = text user interface, e.g. written with curses or similar 18:55:25 if you know tcl and the user commands well enough it isn't hard to form your own 18:55:54 My be, what i will do is, try to have more patience and re-install free-bsd, while having myself connected over here through my mobile or my family member's laptop/pc. I will also post in the forum if needed. 18:55:59 in that case use dialog 18:56:04 RhodiumToad: UEFI 18:56:06 ;-) 18:57:06 sozuba: also, what freebsd version? 18:59:27 RhodiumToad: 13.1 19:00:16 any particular reason for that over 13.2 ? 19:00:59 RhodiumToad: nothing particular, my logic was that that was the most stable 19:01:13 .1 versus .2 common now 19:02:22 my experience is that if you want to go for a -release version, there's no reason not to pick the latest one on the major version branch you chose 19:02:39 RhodiumToad: what version do you suggest? 19:02:43 13.2 19:03:15 RhodiumToad: cool, will work on that this time. I will note down the time it takes and stuff. I hope this works 19:03:29 great experience but if you previously ran a .X there is no reason why <.X wouldn't do it 19:04:14 fbsd is that stable 19:04:25 CmdLnKid: that's what i want to experience :) 19:04:30 nit picking bullshit 19:04:45 you are fine on 13.1 19:05:15 "vm-bhyve is using the zfs boot loader from the host machine" https://lists.freebsd.org/archives/freebsd-current/2023-June/003825.html -- interesting 19:05:17 Title: Re: CURRRENT snapshot won't boot due missing ZFS feature 19:05:36 id find it very rare that you can't do 13.1 vs 13.2 in this day and age 19:05:40 at this point in time, i just want to know what causes the heat on my system, is it to be expected with the way freebsd kernel is, or is it happening only to me. If so, why? and can it be sorted. 19:06:25 that is unless you were trying to do that at an age of 5.2 19:06:34 ;) 19:06:44 CmdLnKid: oh, was it that much of a difference then? 19:06:55 it was yes 19:06:57 right now backing up my data before i can start re-install 19:07:04 fbsd 5 was a shitshow 19:07:07 CmdLnKid: ah cool, good to know. HOw long ago was that? 19:07:11 sozuba: it's not the kernel, it's (if anything) the boot programs (loader.efi in this case) 19:07:21 CmdLnKid, truth. 19:07:23 2007 ish ? maybe 19:07:32 possibly before 19:07:48 2003 19:07:52 RhodiumToad: fair enough, if so, is there an alternative loader i can use? like grub? 19:07:59 thanks rhodiumtoad 19:08:09 its been that long 19:08:31 RhodiumToad: wow, that long ago. ALso that's the year i wish i got respwaned. SO much in my life could have changed, :d 19:08:47 sozuba: well first we need to confirm that's what the problem is and that after the kernel is running, things cool down properly 19:08:53 sozuba, hindsight is always 20/20 19:09:57 fbsd 5 was a shitshow but it was a mostly necessary one, I think 19:10:18 CmdLnKid: haha, treu and well said :D 19:10:21 rhodiumtoad, i agree. its what got us here today for sure 19:10:41 RhodiumToad: will do, i will try to confirm. 19:10:54 How much DragonflyBSD do you use? 19:11:00 me? none 19:11:10 ... toast 19:11:12 I never liked dillon's code 19:11:34 who cares about the code unless it doesn't work 19:12:06 the idea behind it is what matters and whether its understood 19:12:28 given my previous experience with his code didn't encourage me to try out his freebsd fork, let's put it that way 19:13:04 He uh. . . was pretty famous for commits that broke. . . a lot. 19:13:12 yeah great innovations but never fit in my framework 19:13:35 He had big ideas for the OS, but didn't get buy-in from others. 19:13:51 1'sand commits 1'sand fails to get to the right one 19:14:10 Caused the FreeBSD community a lot of pain, before he finally took his ball and went home. 19:14:24 lol 19:14:29 Took his ball and built his ouwn field. 19:14:37 LIV 19:14:42 Hammer is interesting... 19:14:45 don't shoot me 19:14:48 DMA is quite good and useful. 19:14:48 Erhard, there's like five people that really love his field. 19:15:07 I know, not many. I ran a DragonFly box for a while. 19:15:17 I dabled a bit. 19:15:26 Didn't see much advantage, though. 19:15:30 It just worked. 19:15:39 It was such a small and new community, one could make big splash. 19:15:50 I still use DMA on most machines for basic mail tasks. 19:15:58 as good as DF is and i commend it but still won't run it in production even DMA 19:16:01 I mean, FreeBSD still included senmail by default? WTH? 19:16:18 which astonishes me in a way that it was included in base 19:16:26 * CrtxReavr shrugs. 19:16:30 no disrespect to the devs 19:16:37 I actually liked having sendmail and bind in the base. >=] 19:17:01 crtxreavr, i may just be old school like that 19:17:04 I switched to POstfix back in 99 maybe . 19:17:19 * RhodiumToad turned on WITHOUT_SENDMAIL as soon as he discovered it existed 19:17:20 But even it is too much for most mahcines that just need to send out logs. 19:17:24 Postfix was nice if I needed an actual MTA. 19:17:31 RhodiumToad: No doubt, me too. 19:17:43 tested and time proven i can expect the flaws 19:17:48 i am going to re-loggin from a family memeber's pc that i have borrowed, brb 19:17:49 DMA works so nicely to just send out logs through a smarthost. 19:17:54 But the default local-only mode for the included sendmail. . . was just the right size for most deployments. 19:18:18 last time I checked dma it didn't _quite_ managed to cover my use-case 19:18:31 erhard, so did sendmail 19:18:42 sendmail was way to complex and buggy for that 19:18:57 Remember, I was using it in the 90s... It was known for poor coding and security 19:18:59 buggy 19:19:05 Like why I still won't use BIND 19:19:16 sendmail configuration is still a nightmare 19:19:21 That too. 19:19:22 m4 BS 19:19:25 thats what someone says when they are jetting over a sandhill at the local dune 19:19:27 back 19:19:35 mendsail 19:19:42 The sendmail config sytnax is a bit. . . archaic. 19:19:44 lack of knowledge of m4 is no excuse 19:19:55 But it's a very mature platform, despite a few bumps along the way. 19:20:03 Some people still use qmail. It was last updated in 1999, I think. 19:20:04 RhodiumToad just tagging you in this pc so i remember 19:20:09 lol. Knowledge of m4 these days is not so useful. 19:20:11 :D hope you don;t mind 19:20:20 Patch branches are maintained down to the present day. 19:20:24 Autoconf stilll uses m4 though, I believe. 19:20:26 Been a while 19:20:40 it does, unfortunately 19:20:53 I liked autoconf, other than the m4 crap ;-) 19:20:55 things must evolve in other words tho 19:21:18 even if it causes bs 19:21:29 Remember when perl was in base? 19:21:36 lololol 19:21:39 I still use perl 19:21:39 pepperidge farms remembers CrtxReavr 19:21:51 lxghtnxng, lol 19:21:53 I couldn't help but LOL when perl was replaced with awk. 19:22:03 RhodiumToad "it does unfortunately" was that for me? 19:22:07 replaces ? 19:22:09 sozuba: no 19:22:12 no 19:22:18 It has its problems, but at least it is basically C lexecon, and ir doesn't care about whitespace. 19:22:43 That sounds like a dig against Python. 19:22:53 Absolutely. 19:23:01 I like Python quite a lot. 19:23:10 >s/perl/awk/ 19:23:12 Perl never really meshed with my brain. 19:23:12 ???? 19:23:17 Why not Tcl? 19:23:19 I just wish it used the C lexicon, and ignored whitespace. 19:23:23 sozuba: in about 45 minutes I'll have to go out for a while, but I'll be here until then. most likely - you can ignore the other chitchat 19:23:25 And frankly, it's syntax was a little too free-form. 19:23:43 Perl sucks in many ways, don't get me wrong. 19:23:52 Objects are a joke... but in Python too 19:24:08 https://trioptimum.com/~crtxreavr/tmp/pi.pl.png 19:24:11 But that was never the goal of either of those 19:24:14 all languages suck 19:24:18 True 19:24:22 Except C ;-) 19:24:29 especially C :-) 19:24:32 lol 19:24:38 Perl seems to have ended at v5.x. 19:24:49 I know 6.x is out there, but there's like 5 people that use it. 19:24:53 perl 6 kinda ... went weird 19:24:53 That was its heyday 19:24:54 pffft ima deny that 19:24:59 (And only one of them is named Larry.) 19:25:07 RhodiumToad: Called Raku, now. 19:25:18 i may be wrong but i love perl 19:25:27 You're wrong. 19:25:33 I'm wrong too, then 19:25:34 does it scale 19:25:36 no 19:25:57 but im happily wrong 19:25:58 how would you be wrong 19:25:59 language wars should probably go to -social or somewhere 19:26:03 I can... 19:26:22 pfffft 19:26:31 AWS Lambda with perl ;-) 19:26:33 * CrtxReavr thinks RhodiumToad should go to -social. 19:26:33 can't talk shit anymore ? 19:26:44 that would go where perl went 19:27:35 fine... lets reincorp tcl into base 19:27:35 CmdLnKid: at #freebsd-social 19:27:40 RE??? 19:27:44 Tcl was in base? 19:27:51 lol 19:28:08 someones checking the cvs commits 19:28:09 CmdLnKid: /join #freebsd-social 19:28:16 TCL is for eggdrops.. Does it do anything else ;-) ? 19:28:20 k back on topic 19:28:38 lol erhard 19:28:42 RhodiumToad thank you. I think i will need at least an hour to back up my stiff. Thank you and i hope to catch you here sometime. I am starting the process right now, i will keep you posted. 19:28:46 SMTP daemon wars? 19:28:52 lol 19:28:57 dns server wars 19:29:06 bind won long ago. 19:29:11 * Erhard pukes 19:29:26 RhodiumToad, no worries with you leaving in 45 minutes, take your time. I'll ask around for issues and if i see you online or active i will tag you, but will keep you posted 19:29:27 I use PowerDNS locally 19:29:36 * CmdLnKid takes the money and runs 19:29:39 sozuba: I'll likely be back in around 2 hours 19:29:39 sozuba: can you please stop booping the frog 19:29:44 RhodiumToad is there a forum link i can tag ot message you? 19:29:47 or* 19:30:00 I don't use the forums, this is the best place to catch me 19:30:03 '_' 19:30:31 RhodiumToad thank you two hours is perfect, hopefully i'll catch up 19:30:45 LxGHTNxNGb booping? 19:30:58 did i do something against the rules? 19:31:12 betty boop and a frog ... 19:31:35 unbound or djb 19:31:46 Betty Boop? 19:31:49 :( i dont understand that, not even sure if you guys are being playful or i am actually breaking rules by "booping" 19:31:56 That was the rpecursor to Archie 19:32:07 haha 19:32:18 frog, i understood you meant Rhodium, but booping, you meant tagging like honking? 19:32:24 The guy who wrote Archie gave the commencement at my sons gradutaion 19:32:27 tagging 19:32:37 sozuba: e.g. this 19:32:45 it's mostly a furryism tbh 19:32:51 is tagging frowned up here? I am sorry if that's the case, I didn't know 19:32:55 I think Erhard just tagged himself as the old guy. 19:32:55 no 19:33:05 yeah, kinda 19:33:24 Since my son is out of uni 19:33:25 but I think the toad has other engagements right now, and excessive tagging in any event is not appreciated 19:33:50 prolly dma 19:33:52 Erhard: Some people still keep the djbdns codebase alive. Bit quihotic, but... 19:34:03 I use it on some machine. 19:34:13 Either patched or the ndjbdns variant 19:34:14 LxGHTNxNG oh okay that's unerstandable. I didn;t want to bother, just that i thoguht he would miss my message in the volley of texts people were having (chitchat) 19:34:21 sorry to tag you too, habbit 19:34:29 no I get it 19:34:52 i always thought if you don;t tag it is rude,because expecting someone to look at your message among a flood of messages is bad 19:34:56 Lots of tagging, a veritable Banksy here. 19:34:56 so i always tag 19:35:49 banksy, damn. Appart from learning about freebsd, i should also learn the lingo here. :d 19:35:54 it makes some sense 19:36:16 Alright, I am outta here. catch you all later. 19:36:18 Banksy is a graffiti artist. Don't fully know where but I think England. 19:36:22 cya soon Erhard 19:36:23 if banksy was a bsd user id be impressed 19:36:29 yup just did a websearch, :) 19:36:39 If he uses a un*x it would be FreeBSD. 19:36:43 Or maybe NetBSD. 19:36:49 the boot loader art would be much more impressive 19:36:56 lol.. OK. Cya 19:37:09 Baksny Beastie 19:37:16 Banksy Beastie even 19:37:18 lol lets hire him 19:37:19 hang on. Where does this all go back to? What all problem does sozuba have that needed RT's (abbreviated to avoid causing a notification sound) attention? 19:39:38 can you give me 15 mins, i will be back and i will explain? 19:39:54 id hate to see freebsd shred itself tho 19:39:59 LxGHTNxNG: laptop running very hot prior to kernel startup 19:40:19 brb 19:40:49 okay 19:55:43 back 19:56:27 LxGHTNxNG as RT mentioned, yes laptop running hot priort to kernel startup - short 19:57:25 I am new to bsd,after some research comparing distros and OS and i finally found freebsd to be perfect for me, and installed it. 19:57:26 right 19:57:42 What model of laptop do you have and what CPU? 19:58:46 This was a month ago. i tried for a week to get the issue sorted.But i couldn't i lost hope and installed a temp linux distro to carry on my work. But i wanted to give it one more go, to see if somethign can be done 19:59:00 I use Thinkpad E450 20:00:07 That's the only machine i have and so it getting heated up to the point i can'T work with it on my lap scared me i did not want to fry the board or CPU 20:00:52 That's when people stepped in giving suggestion and RT supported with his suggestions and question. 20:01:16 Now i am backing up all my stuff and reflashing, so i can report the findings and probably sort the issue. 20:01:30 re-insatlling* :D 20:01:38 installing* 20:02:05 Any other question you have please feel free to ask :) 20:02:26 Do you have thermal paste available to you? 20:05:08 nope 20:05:15 also it doesn't happen with linux 20:05:36 I don't even feel a bit of heat when i have linux installed 20:05:49