00:43:08 <morpho> RhodiumToad: out of interest. On void linux I had to enable the agetty-ttys0 service
01:53:06 <morpho> so I am trying to do the pci passthrough for my wifi card
01:54:00 <morpho> i dont really understand what I am doing. Got wireless working in the bhyve vm
01:56:23 <morpho> what do I need to know BSD side?
02:18:37 <morpho> would this work? https://bsd.ac/nqdaavi
03:17:21 <kevans> heh, cute: "error: Fssh_kex_exchange_identification: client sent invalid protocol identifier "GET / HTTP/1.1""
03:20:40 <rwp> Probes.  Endless probes.  Sigh.  It's the dumpster fire that is the Internet.  (shrug)
03:22:17 <concrete_houses> can ZFS do snapshotting?
03:22:22 <concrete_houses> does ufs do snapshotting?
03:22:33 <concrete_houses> I just deleted some crap due to symlink
03:22:45 <concrete_houses> usr and home
03:22:50 <concrete_houses> ufs
03:22:56 <concrete_houses> any way to go back 4 hours?
03:30:51 <rwp> UFS?  AFAIK does not support snapshots.  But even if you were on ZFS which does you would have to have had something making snapshots for that to be a help.
03:32:56 <rwp> When on ZFS a best practice is to install zfstools which includes zfs-auto-snapshot.  Install a crontab as directed by the package to create snapshots periodically.
03:35:47 <concrete_houses> agggkgkgkk
03:36:09 <concrete_houses> why does home map to usr home
03:36:14 <concrete_houses> whats up with that
03:36:39 <rwp> Hmm...  Doing some searching I found mksnap_ffs(8) which talks about snapshots on UFS.  I know nothing more about it though.
03:39:09 <rwp> At one time I knew the answer to /usr/home but at the moment I only vaguely recall that it had to do with either dataset inheritance or with boot environments.  I remember thinking it made sense to be that way.
03:47:00 <rwp> concrete_houses, https://wiki.freebsd.org/ExampleUfsSnapshots
03:47:01 <VimDiesel> Title: ExampleUfsSnapshots - FreeBSD Wiki
03:51:59 <rwp> Also https://man.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=snapshot
03:52:00 <VimDiesel> Title: snapshot
05:59:02 <kevans> concrete_houses: funny enough, it was recently decided that it needs to move back to /home
07:45:54 <Onepamopa> uh guys.. any idea why fbsd 13.2 doesn't see my 2nd monitor? nvidia driver is installed, 1st monitor is connected via hdmi, 2nd to dvi-d - but doesn't get detected. Tried running nvidia-xconfig to generate new xorg.conf - nothing. the nvidia panel "detect displays" also doesn't see it.
10:35:48 <martinrame> Hi, I had a zfs pool composed of only one 10tb drive. Then yesterday added a 2nd, 12tb drive. Now I have a raidz with two drives (10Tb total size).
10:36:33 <martinrame> As the objective was replacing the old 10Tb drive, now I want to extract it, leaving only the 12tb. How can I do that?
10:41:39 <martinrame> that was easy, first offline disk (ada1 in this case), then detach it.
13:06:46 <RhodiumToad> rwp: ufs does indeed support snapshots
13:06:55 <gzar> really?
13:07:08 <gzar> i thought only zfs did that
13:07:34 <RhodiumToad> for a long time you could have _either_ snapshots _or_ journalling, though
13:09:59 <RhodiumToad> but that was recently fixed
13:17:26 <RhodiumToad> kevans: a victory for sanity! (/usr/home was always silly)
13:28:53 <RhodiumToad> morpho: did you get it working?
13:35:34 <morpho> RhodiumToad I'm up to the last bit
13:35:48 <morpho> I have a Linux VM with wireless working
13:36:21 <morpho> Thanks for asking. I don't know how to pass that connection to my bsd host
13:37:00 <RhodiumToad> you'll have to use the linux host to do NAT for the freebsd one, I think, because of how wireless usually works
13:37:31 <RhodiumToad> so configure the linux host as a NAT router (I don't know how to do that, but it should be an extremely common setup)
13:37:43 <morpho> I THINK I even got that working
13:37:54 <RhodiumToad> and then just make sure that the freebsd system's default router points to the linux IP on the bridge
13:38:25 <morpho> How do I do that? What I tried caused "service NetIf restart" to hang
13:39:27 <RhodiumToad> I think the way I'd do it is to not attach the host physical nic to the bridge, and put a private network IP on the bridge interface
13:39:52 <RhodiumToad> have you configured the linux host to have a static private IP on its vtnet interface?
13:40:11 <RhodiumToad> on the freebsd side it'd look something like this in rc.conf:
13:40:51 <RhodiumToad> ifconfig_bridge0="inet 192.168.1.2/24 addm tap0"
13:40:58 <RhodiumToad> ifconfig_tap0="up"
13:41:08 <RhodiumToad> defaultrouter="192.168.1.1"
13:41:28 <morpho> Yes I have something like that in my rc.conf
13:41:47 <RhodiumToad> this is assuming that the linux host is statically assigned 192.168.1.1 on its vtnet interface
13:42:52 <morpho> I have a static resolv.conf on my bsd host. I THINK this is also causing issues
13:47:33 <RhodiumToad> that shouldn't be a significant problem
13:48:50 <morpho> I'm on my mobile right now as my laptop has no internet outside of the vm
13:49:34 <morpho> Thanks for heping. I will try again and get back to you
13:53:29 <morpho> Is there commnd to let me see my bhyve guest network information from host?
13:55:17 <RhodiumToad> the host knows almost nothing about the guest network config
13:55:38 <sidh> Greetings
13:55:45 <RhodiumToad> you can look at the arp tables to find what IP the host thinks it is using on the bridge, in most cases
13:57:09 <RhodiumToad> *the host thinks that the guest is using on the bridge
14:13:15 <morpho> RhodiumToad all i get is ping unknown host
14:14:59 <RhodiumToad> doing what?
14:15:41 <RhodiumToad> first thing to test is whether the host and guest can ping each other by IP address
14:16:12 <RhodiumToad> thehn try and ping the guest's wifi interface IP from the host
14:16:55 <f451> anyone else seeing scrambled (looks like binary) in /var/log/messages ? restarting syslogd seems to have 'fixed' it but why would it happen in the first place?
14:17:10 <f451> recent 13-stable
14:17:30 <RhodiumToad> scrambled how exactly?
14:17:50 <f451> i'll paste 1 line of output
14:18:54 <RhodiumToad> ideally, pass a chunk through the `hd` command and paste to termbin.com or dpaste.org
14:20:19 <f451> it looks like how you'd see a binary file opened in a test editor. it's not the entire file either, just messages from this afternoon UTC
14:21:10 <RhodiumToad> is it just the messages, with the timestamps still readable, or is it all binary?
14:21:21 <RhodiumToad> also what filesystem setup do you have
14:21:31 <f451> timestamps and host are readable
14:21:34 <f451> zfs
14:21:44 <f451> ive checked zpool health
14:22:02 <f451> it's happened before, too. on april 17th
14:22:22 <RhodiumToad> please show a chunk of the affected data hexdumped as I requested above
14:22:35 <f451> trying to fijnd the most recent
14:29:42 <f451> RhodiumToad: https://dpaste.org/2FDGP
14:29:44 <VimDiesel> Title: dpaste/2FDGP (Python)
14:31:52 <RhodiumToad> wait, the actual messages file has <F1>~u^H etc. in it? literally like that?
14:32:05 <f451> yes
14:32:58 <f451> this is 13-stable, arm64 (it's a rpi4/8GB) hd is usb3
14:33:24 <RhodiumToad> is syslogd listening on any sockets?
14:33:42 <f451> it's launched with -ss
14:34:12 <f451> also this machine is firewalled really tight
14:34:31 <f451> only sshd is available
14:34:54 <f451> www3 is available but only locally
14:35:02 <f451> sorry, www
14:35:16 <RhodiumToad> weird
14:35:39 <f451> relaunching syslogd fixes it for weeks
14:35:59 <RhodiumToad> might be a bug in syslogd then, but hard to say
14:36:13 <f451> lol these are the most frustrating type of problems
14:36:28 <f451> ok - worth making a PR?
14:36:52 <RhodiumToad> if your syslogd isn't very active it might be interesting to ktrace it
14:37:27 <f451> yup. lots of space for the logging too
14:37:45 <RhodiumToad> and leave it traced, then if/when it happens again you have something to look at, which will help determine whether syslogd was sent bad data, or received good data and logged it as bad
14:38:28 <f451> ok
14:39:03 <f451> how would i launch it and with what permissions? ktrace i mean. i think it might want root
14:39:45 <RhodiumToad> you can use ktrace to enable tracing on an existing process
14:40:09 <f451> so just ktrace syslogd as root ?
14:40:21 <RhodiumToad> ktrace -p somepid   will suffice, that'll put the trace file as ktrace.out in the current dir, use -f /path/to/file  to put it elsewhere
14:40:43 <RhodiumToad> the ktrace program does not remain running, all the tracing is done from the target process
14:41:04 <f451> ok thanks. as root or will user do?
14:41:11 <RhodiumToad> as root
14:41:15 <f451> ok
14:41:28 <RhodiumToad> users can trace their own programs, but usual debugging visibility rules apply
14:42:29 <f451> ok hopefully next time ill have something to go on! thanks
14:42:47 <RhodiumToad> the trace file is binary, but you can read it using the kdump command
14:45:31 <f451> yep just tried that with -f it's working normally
14:47:03 <RhodiumToad> just remember not to use ktrace -C because that turns off tracing for all processes if done as root
14:47:20 <hernan> [/usr/home/freebsd] $ uptime
14:47:20 <hernan>  2:47PM  up 1400 days,  2:57, 33 users, load averages: 0.79, 1.09, 1.18
14:47:40 <f451> :D
14:47:56 <RhodiumToad> if your uptime is that high, you're not updating often enough :-)
14:48:22 <hernan> correct
15:11:27 <kevans> RhodiumToad: is the patch from D24324 still applicable to today's tree, or does it need any adjustment?
15:16:50 <RhodiumToad> I can regenerate it if need be but it's not like it's complicated
15:17:34 <RhodiumToad> also there's been a bug open for depends-list.sh that I don't think has been addressed
15:20:04 <RhodiumToad> just waiting for git to tell me if there's a conflict
15:21:06 <RhodiumToad> looks like the patch should still apply cleanly enough
15:22:54 <RhodiumToad> yup, it does
15:29:35 <kevans> cool, thanks
15:29:37 <RhodiumToad> https://bugs.freebsd.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=269982   <-- that's the depends-list one, but the patch there doesn't address my last comment
15:29:39 <VimDiesel> Title: 269982 – Mk/Scripts/depends-list.sh: Default flavour for dependencies are overriden
15:30:02 <RhodiumToad> (it breaks things like make fetch-recursive and other recursive targets)
15:32:27 <RhodiumToad> I can put up my local fixes for those if it would help
16:35:40 <roy2098> I'm having issues with getting NFSv4 acls going on some fbsd virtual machines - here's one example - fbsd 13.1 vm running under bhyve also under fbsd 13.1. i have the rw,acls option set in fstab.Yet when trying to setfacl on anything, i get: branding mismatch, existing acl is posix 1.e... OR acl_set_file failed; operation not permitted - anyone
16:35:40 <roy2098> care to entertain what's going on? Documentation is confusing, to say the least, and to complicate matters, the virtual machines under bhyve are in their own zfs filesystem so i get snapshots of the vms as desired ...
17:06:50 <roy2098> I'm going to simplify: hypervisor = FBSD 13.1with zfs dataset in which below vm runs, i.e. zfs list yields /vms/fbsd/virt_machine_1
17:06:51 <roy2098> guest under this hypervisor = FBSD 13.1 with rw,acls in /etc/fstab
17:06:51 <roy2098> only POSIX 1.e acls are useable in this vm ... how to get it to use NFSv4 acls?
17:07:46 <roy2098> ...do I need to enable acls in the hypervisor fstab?
17:09:24 <roy2098> actually, strike the last statement because use of zfs on root - no entry in fstab ...
17:29:18 <rwp> RhodiumToad, As I found out and posted those links to the documentation for it. :-)
17:56:36 <roy2098> RhodiumToad: can you elaborate on your last message?
18:35:11 <morpho> RhodiumToad im still trying to set up the NAC
18:35:23 <morpho> when i service netif restart it hangs
18:59:49 <Demosthenex> hrm, any ideas? https://dpaste.org/eOp0c/raw  same command gives different return codes when run from subshell
20:10:38 <RhodiumToad> Demosthenex: that first line doesn't do what you think it does
20:11:33 <RhodiumToad> sh -c expects ONE argument after the -c which is the whole command string, and any additional args after that go into the positional parameters starting from $0
20:14:42 <morpho> RhodiumToad i am still stuck with using my linux guest as a NAC
20:15:23 <RhodiumToad> stuck how?
20:15:48 <morpho> well I cant restart netif without it hanging
20:16:13 <RhodiumToad> don't focus on that
20:16:23 <morpho> i think everything is working in Linux
20:16:34 <morpho> i just cant ping from my host
20:16:36 <Demosthenex> RhodiumToad: yeah, puppet's calling it this way, gotta tweak it
20:16:39 <RhodiumToad> can you ping the guest from the host?
20:16:51 <morpho> how do i do that?
20:17:13 <RhodiumToad> what IP did you give the guest's vtnet interface?
20:18:12 <morpho> Im not sure. I have defined eth0 (my guests ethernet interface) using wpa_supplicant
20:18:34 <morpho> with the address 192.168.6.2
20:18:40 <RhodiumToad> is that the passthrough wireless nic though?
20:19:08 <morpho> I am using iptables to pass the wireless to the ethernet i think
20:19:12 <RhodiumToad> no
20:19:17 <RhodiumToad> that is impossible
20:19:43 <morpho> https://www.davidschlachter.com/misc/t480-bhyve-wifi-pci-passthrough#:~:text=David%20Schlachter-,FreeBSD%20WiFi%20PCI%20Passthrough%3A%20Intel%20Wireless%208265%2C%20bhyve%2C%2013.0,ac%20on%20Linux%20and%20Windows.
20:19:44 <VimDiesel> Title: FreeBSD WiFi PCI Passthrough: Intel Wireless 8265, bhyve, 13.0-CURRENT
20:21:16 <morpho> followed this guide and am at the end of it now
20:22:09 <Demosthenex> RhodiumToad: indeed, puppet was missing a line of quotes!
20:23:43 <RhodiumToad> morpho: ok, so the linux host is configured to do NAT, which is what we want
20:23:58 <RhodiumToad> morpho: can you ping 192.168.6.2 from the host?
20:24:56 <morpho> ping: sendto: Host is down
20:25:23 <RhodiumToad> ifconfig bridge0  says what? paste the output to dpaste.org or termbin.com
20:25:35 <RhodiumToad> note you can paste to termbin using  | nc termbin.com 9999
20:31:58 * RhodiumToad waits
20:32:17 <morpho> sorry
20:33:22 <morpho> https://termbin.com/wx68
20:33:42 <morpho> i had to do that from my linux host, no internet in freebsd so far
20:33:50 <RhodiumToad> and  ifconfig tap0
20:34:16 <RhodiumToad> also the output of  arp -a
20:34:33 <RhodiumToad> you might need arp -an
20:35:38 <morpho> https://termbin.com/jcjr
20:36:23 <RhodiumToad> what does linux say about the state of the eth0 interface?
20:37:56 <morpho> https://termbin.com/iwdqn
20:38:38 <RhodiumToad> inet 169.254.120.217/16  <-- that's not 192.168.6.2
20:40:23 <RhodiumToad> so whatever you configured so far on the linux side, you haven't successfully configured the interface
20:41:35 <morpho> RhodiumToad iv got linux tech support on the line :s
20:41:42 <morpho> thanks for your help
21:05:22 <morpho> RhodiumToad i can pink the guest
21:05:47 <morpho> ping* i cannot ping the world
21:06:44 <RhodiumToad> ok. is forwarding enabled on the guest?
21:11:08 <rdg> is there a monospaced block in mdoc for an example snippet? I'm showing a long output piped to column(1) but the man page in pdf it not aligned
21:12:45 <morpho> i ran this script... https://termbin.com/ forwarding in enabled on the linux kernel
21:12:46 <VimDiesel> Title: termbin.com - terminal pastebin
21:13:06 <RhodiumToad> incomplete url
21:14:09 <morpho> https://termbin.com/tf2i
21:14:49 <RhodiumToad> rdg: maybe look at the source for the man page for tbl.7 ?
21:16:00 <RhodiumToad> (seems to be using .Bd )
21:16:38 <rdg> RhodiumToad: I'm also using Bd, but in pdf the result is not monospaced
21:16:51 <rdg> MANPAGER=mupdf man -T pdf tbl
21:17:06 <RhodiumToad> morpho: this is getting more into linux than freebsd
21:17:27 <morpho> what do i need to google
21:17:58 <RhodiumToad> dunno.
21:21:40 <morpho> https://termbin.com/bjc9
21:22:56 <morpho> can we assume this works?
21:23:01 <RhodiumToad> are you SURE you enabled forwarding?
21:32:53 <morpho> the voidlinux irc say so
21:33:31 <RhodiumToad> net.ipv4.ip_forward  is set to what, on linux?
21:33:36 <morpho> 1
21:34:24 <RhodiumToad> the fact that your FORWARD chain says 0 packets is suspicious here
21:35:10 <morpho> not really
21:35:20 <RhodiumToad> why not?
21:35:23 <morpho> its just a vm doing nothing
21:35:38 <RhodiumToad> yeah, but you tried to ping the outside from the freebsd host
21:35:46 <RhodiumToad> what is the default route set to on freebsd
21:36:02 <RhodiumToad> use  netstat -rn  to see that
21:38:21 <morpho> i think i have multiple
21:38:44 <morpho> https://termbin.com/snhc
21:39:33 <RhodiumToad> no, you don't have one at all
21:39:46 <RhodiumToad> is defaultrouter set in your rc.conf ?
21:40:16 <RhodiumToad> don't try and restart any services, just tell me if it is set
21:40:33 <morpho> yes
21:40:49 <RhodiumToad> to 192.168.6.2 ?
21:40:54 <morpho> yes
21:41:13 <RhodiumToad> do this on freebsd:  route add default 192.168.6.2
21:41:25 <RhodiumToad> then try pinging the outside
21:42:26 <morpho> i can ping the outside
21:42:32 <morpho> on freebsd
21:43:45 <RhodiumToad> progress!
21:43:56 <morpho> does that means it works?
21:44:11 <RhodiumToad> basically yes
21:44:13 <morpho> i am getting 41Mbps in freebsd firefox
21:44:45 <RhodiumToad> well that sounds pretty good
21:44:55 <morpho> thanks so much man
21:45:19 <RhodiumToad> you'll want to reboot everything at some point to make sure you got the config files right.
21:45:46 <morpho> yes!
21:46:16 <morpho> the linux driver bin
21:52:55 <morpho> its reproducible, i created a few scripts to automate it all
21:53:36 <RhodiumToad> the only script you should need on the freebsd side is starting the VM
21:55:12 <morpho> i am disabling wlan0 before i start the vm
21:56:01 <RhodiumToad> I don't think that can work without a reboot
21:56:27 <RhodiumToad> if the wifi hardware is being used for pci passthrough, it can't be used on the freebsd side at all
21:57:33 <RhodiumToad> i.e. if you didn't boot with pptdevs=whatever in loader.conf, you can't do passthru, and if you did boot with that, freebsd won't see the wifi
22:00:37 <morpho> i am doing that in a script that loads the bootloader
22:00:43 <morpho> loads the linuxvm
22:02:21 <RhodiumToad> how?
22:07:58 <morpho> https://termbin.com/wwkq
22:10:43 <RhodiumToad> hmm
22:24:39 <morpho> what?
22:26:37 <RhodiumToad> that looks reasonable
23:50:47 <morpho> RhodiumToad: now I have backlight keys, power saving, 802.11ac wireless
23:52:13 <morpho> Its a shame I didn't document this journey more as some of the guides for setting up laptops are a few years old now
23:53:14 <morpho> thanks for the help
23:53:17 <RhodiumToad> yw
23:53:37 <RhodiumToad> bit of a shame that getting the wireless required using a linux VM, but...
23:54:52 <RhodiumToad> (I have a printer that has no freebsd driver, but that doesn't require using a VM since i can run the linux printer driver under the linux ABI)
23:56:19 <morpho> I wanted to learn bhyve anyway
23:56:29 <morpho> so it gave me an excuse to learn some new things
23:56:57 <morpho> i just use my partners Mac for printings haha
23:59:54 <morpho> I think OpenBSD supports 802.11ac on this wifi card