04:58:18 <meena> darwin: what terminal?
04:59:05 <meena> oh, the ttys
04:59:46 <rwp> Reverse video on the vt console would be quite harsh for my eyes.
05:04:20 <meena> https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/how-to-change-background-color-of-freebsd-terminal.69893/
05:04:21 <VimDiesel> Title: How to change background color of FreeBSD terminal | The FreeBSD Forums
05:05:00 <meena> rwp: when have you last seen the sun?
05:13:38 <meena> darwin: https://forums.freebsd.org/threads/how-to-change-background-color-of-freebsd-terminal.69893/ seems to cover all the bases
05:13:39 <VimDiesel> Title: How to change background color of FreeBSD terminal | The FreeBSD Forums
05:16:19 <rwp> meena, That bright thing?  Up in the sky?  It burns!  It burns!
05:16:49 <rwp> meena, :-)  https://www.reddit.com/r/oddlyterrifying/comments/volcdp/the_sun_being_compared_to_a_lovecraftian_deity_is/
05:16:52 <VimDiesel> Title: The Sun being compared to a Lovecraftian deity is terrifying. : oddlyterrifying
05:17:03 <meena> try sun screen and sun glasses, avoid garlic
05:20:57 <meena> "pretty sure it screams at us sometimes"
05:21:28 <meena> more like all the time, but, yeah
05:26:14 <rwp> In more seriousness I have always had a lot of "floaters" in my eyes and with a white background they are all brightly lit and very distracting.  A dark background is less distracting.
05:51:27 <darwin> thanks
05:57:59 <darwin> the stuff in that thread doesn't work.  The echo command says 'illegal variable name'
06:16:47 <meena> darwin: what shell you on?
06:59:31 <darwin> csh
07:02:15 <Thanat0z> hi, is it possible to install freebsd on hetzner cloud machine ?
08:06:59 <meena> Thanat0z: yes
08:07:21 <meena> I have a bunch of instances in Hetzner
08:07:56 <meena> amd64, the Aarch64 machines don't work very well yet
08:11:03 <meena> Thanat0z: you start an instance with Linux, then mount the FreeBSD ISO and install FreeBSD: https://im.eena.me/uploads/b5bc84870f5491de/Screenshot_2023-04-18-15-39-04-56_ffb2f5e1b976ff98cfc94f359fbce8de.jpg
08:14:28 <Thanat0z> hi meena sorry i was away.
08:15:14 <Thanat0z> i have one server with freebsd12 a vm as i remember i had download the ( iso or the img not sure) i make it tar then gz and i use custom install script
08:15:39 <Thanat0z> but i dont remember if i extracted the files from img or iso or if i zipped as it was
08:17:40 <Thanat0z> ohhhhhhhhh
08:17:57 <Thanat0z> thei have iso images on AVAILABLE IMAGES i just see it so good!!!!!!!
08:22:40 <meena> Thanat0z: yes
08:23:47 <Thanat0z> !!!!!!!! thank you
08:23:52 <Thanat0z> ! thank you
08:23:55 <Thanat0z> thank you
08:33:46 <Thanat0z> error while fetching ftp://ftp1.freebsd.org/pub  is netinstall iso mounted and cannot resolve the domains bad luck
08:35:27 <meena> what is this ftp you speak of
08:35:59 <Thanat0z> tying to install freebsd in hetzner
08:36:03 <Thanat0z> i remove firewall
08:36:07 <Thanat0z> maybe that was trying again
08:37:07 <yourfate> are SSH moduli portable? I want to create fresh ones for my raspberry PI, but i'd like to use a much faster machine
08:37:23 <yourfate> that faster machine is linux, x86, the rpi is freebsd, aarch64
08:37:27 <Thanat0z> problem solved:)
08:51:34 <yourfate> i'll ask in openssh, that's more apppropriate I think
09:31:52 <meena> yourfate: I'm not sure what you mean
09:36:17 <meena> yourfate: oh, you mean https://man.freebsd.org/moduli(5) not some fancy way to pluralize module
09:36:18 <VimDiesel> Title: moduli(5)
09:52:21 <yourfate> yes
09:52:45 <yourfate> the fancy plural of modulo :p
09:56:52 <meena> isn't it funny that most languages have a modulo operator, an operation used maybe once a quarter, but also, most languages can't agree on how it should work?
09:57:54 <parv> Is that before or after throwing in negative numbers?
09:58:00 <RhodiumToad> there are like four possible mathematical meanings, and it's not obvious which one to pick
09:59:53 <xtile> I'm pretty sure modulo is used more often than that.
10:00:14 <RhodiumToad> actually I think there are 6 possible modulo operators
10:02:06 <RhodiumToad> maybe 8, but two of them are probably not useful
10:03:54 <RhodiumToad> (corresponding to floor division, ceiling division, euclidean division, truncating division, rounding division, centered division)
10:05:16 <meena> xtile: how often have you used any operator this past week? how often was that operator +? and how often was it anything else?
10:06:15 <xtile> only used any operator in my head, lately xP  but I did use the modulo operator when thinking about poker hands.
10:06:19 <xtile> in my head.
10:08:01 <RhodiumToad> it is somewhat annoying that although truncating division is probably the least useful of those, it's one of the most commonly implemented choices for the / operator
10:08:23 <meena> my use of arithmetic operators goes: 80% +, 10% - (mostly -1) and then everything else
10:10:44 <xtile> i agree that's reasonable, meena
10:15:20 <yourfate> generating the moduli on another machine worked btw
10:15:25 <meena> I'm not saying that we don't need these operations, BTW, far from it
10:15:52 <meena> it's just that they are often taking up precious symbols from other useful uses in a language
10:16:28 <RhodiumToad> like / or % ?
10:16:59 <xtile> i mean, theoretically all the symbols in a language could be replaced with functions
10:17:21 <RhodiumToad> (euclidean-quotient x y)
10:19:01 <xtile> i do find it intriguing that ksh adds one more symbol to the C-like set, ** for pow()
10:38:15 <meena> RhodiumToad: yes
10:40:23 <paulf> I think that there should be two pow versions, one for nice positive integers
10:40:58 <paulf> And one for all the rest and especially floating point which is not nice and has a list of domain errors about as long as my arm
10:41:27 <RhodiumToad> just return a complex number and let the caller sort it out :-)
10:43:56 <paulf> that only helps with negatives to the power of non-integers
10:54:29 <RhodiumToad> what other domain errors are you thinking of?
11:03:04 <meena> I think it's time i invest in a second hand PC and fit some second hand Infiniband NICs inside. Any recommendations? doesn't have to be very powerful, just needs to be FreeBSD compatible and cheap
11:03:43 <yuripv> are you allowed near h/w now?
11:04:31 <meena> it's becoming a necessity.
12:43:25 <daemon> meena, I use cheap re-used dells
12:43:55 <daemon> https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B084ZQFVGD/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
12:43:58 <daemon> https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07ZD6244S/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
12:43:58 <VimDiesel> Title: Dell OptiPlex 7040 SFF Desktop (Intel Core i7 3.4 GHz, 16 GB RAM, 256 GB SSD, Intel HD Graphics 530, Windows 10 Pro) (Renewed) : Amazon.co.uk: Computers & Accessories
12:44:02 <VimDiesel> Title: Dell Optiplex 3040 SFF i5 6500 8GB RAM 240GB SSD HDMI HD Graphics Win 10 Pro (Renewed) : Amazon.co.uk: Computers & Accessories
12:44:07 <daemon> both work perfectly with freebsd
12:47:12 <daemon> the first one I think is the one with the nvme in it that does bhyve stuff
12:47:26 <daemon> the second one has neither bhyve or virtualization support though
12:53:08 <daemon> oh and the card I used for network (purchased seperately) was a <Intel(R) PRO/1000 PT 82571EB/82571GB (Copper) dual port low profile
12:53:25 <daemon> its onboard is a ... RealTek 8168/8111 B/C/CP/D/DP/E/F/G PCIe Gigabit Ethernet
13:38:53 <meena> daemon: I don't see a price?
13:39:51 <tercaL> Got three questions; 1- I've a vm running FreeBSD 13.2, single disk, ZFS stripe (I assume that's Raid-0?), I now got second disk in my system (ada1), is this command enough to add it in my pool; zpool add zroot ada1? 2- Would that delete any data of mine in the first disk? 3- is "ada1" the correct term for second disk? I saw it on dmesg output, the first disk being 'ada0', but "zpool status -v" lists it as: ada0p3, any idea on this too?
13:40:38 <daemon> meena, should be at the top middle
13:40:43 <daemon> in GBP
13:40:51 <daemon> the first system is 184.85
13:41:04 <daemon> the second system is 84.99
13:41:40 <daemon> these might just be in the uk but your country will have someone selling them for I would image around the same price
13:41:46 <daemon> ebay also has them usually as well
13:41:49 <daemon> just ex-office stuff
13:43:36 <meena> daemon: Ireland gets most of its did amazon stuff from UK
13:44:17 <meena> will they fit (two infiniband) PCIe cards?
14:13:15 <V_PauAmma_V> tercaL, 1- and 3- IIRC, no and no. You first need to create a freebsd-zfs partition on ada1 if you haven't already (man gpart) and use that partition name (it will be something like "ada1p<number>") 2- It shouldn't delete existing data, no.
14:20:22 <Thanat0z> my mpd5 service cannot stop. i try service mpd5 restart and i get "Waiting for PIDS" even when i try to  reboot  i cannot because of this pid. how can i see if tehre is an error on logs?
14:21:44 <tercaL> V_PauAmma_V: Am I wrong?; I thought, when adding a new disk to an existing ZFS pool, you can use the entire disk as is, without partitioning it. ZFS operates at the block device level, directly managing the disks or partitions.
14:21:55 <tercaL> Therefore, I can add the entire disk (ada1) to my ZFS pool without creating a partition on it?
14:23:11 <V_PauAmma_V> Not for a root disk (got bitten by that one) and IIRC discouraged for non-root disks as well.
14:23:25 <V_PauAmma_V> s/disk/vdev/
14:25:07 <V_PauAmma_V> See "vdev" in https://docs.freebsd.org/en/books/handbook/zfs/#zfs-term .
14:25:09 <VimDiesel> Title: Chapter 21. The Z File System (ZFS) | FreeBSD Documentation Portal
14:26:45 <tercaL> V_PauAmma_V: "This can be an entire disk (such as /dev/ada0 or /dev/da0) or a partition (/dev/ada0p3)" ?
14:27:04 <tercaL> It says.
14:27:56 <V_PauAmma_V> See "Caution" below.
14:29:30 <Thanat0z> any help?
14:29:49 <Thanat0z> mpd5 never stops even with kill -9 {pid}
14:36:18 <V_PauAmma_V> Thanat0z, my uninformed guess is the process is stuck in the kernel, maybe waiting for something that'll never happen. But I don't know enough about FreeBSD internals to tell you how to troubleshoot it.
14:40:31 <Thanat0z> i change the mpd5.conf and now is fixed amazing.
14:49:10 <Thanat0z> my mobile connect to pptp server and to l2tp server fine if is connected thru Mobile data. If i use my home wifi ( 192.168.1.xxx) no connection what a mess
16:09:50 <adilix> hi all
17:40:44 <hwpplayer1> hi FreeBSD People !
17:41:19 <hwpplayer1> We are running our local Turkish Community and our website is up and running and we have a Codeberg organization !
17:48:41 <rwp> hwpplayer1, Congratulations!
17:52:02 <meena> cool
18:35:52 <Thanat0z> i can connect with my [Mobile Data] to my pptp vpn server  but not with my Router how is that i am using Mpd5 any idea any one?
19:03:43 <elgrande> servus debdrup ?& hello all, i changed my plans
19:13:34 <V_PauAmma_V> Hic non sunt servi.
19:39:36 <meena> 👍
22:58:55 <yaazkal> # echo 'FreeBSD' | wc -c
22:58:57 <yaazkal> # 8
22:59:00 <yaazkal> why ?
23:03:49 <mason> yaazkal: newline
23:04:11 <yaazkal> oh
23:04:32 <yaazkal> mason: thanks
23:05:03 <mason> np