00:46:15 <CmdLnKid> opps Ctrl+4+Break
00:47:45 <CmdLnKid>  opps Ctrl+4+Break
02:32:21 <concrete_houses> if i put 3 usb disk into zfs zpool raid 0 will I get the combined read write speed?
02:34:51 <concrete_houses> I have 3 ufs disk now
02:39:15 <CmdLnKid> depends. the disk speed and the bus speed ... nobody here knows what you have
02:49:17 <CmdLnKid> aint nobody going to know that when i cook my ramen i add peppers(green,red,white), shrimp, and cayan
02:50:06 <CmdLnKid> plz elaborate with some system info etc. etc..
02:50:57 <CmdLnKid> there may be a egg in there from the spanish market
02:55:51 <hernan> if i get 3 woman pregnant and put them in zpool raid
02:59:29 <CmdLnKid> exactly... nobody said where they are from and whether they were on the corner or its actually yours
02:59:55 <CmdLnKid> not enough info going on around here
03:45:10 <_xor> Hmm, weird. mount_msdosfs keeps giving me invalid argument, but gpart list + gpart show look fine.
03:54:36 <thumbs> /22/15
06:06:03 <_Random> Please I have Nomad issue, I understand this is the FreeBSD channel, not Nomad,.If someone with more wisdom than myself may assist me with network issues. I have 2 issues. 1. This is an assumption when my Lenovo T 430 boots, Nomad is looking for Wlan. The gateway is preconfigured to 255.255.255.255. I believe this may be the issue, as My settings need to be 255.255.255.0. I know around 5 mins after trying to connect to the network, it finally boots. I'
06:06:04 <_Random> m able to connect to my wifi network, but where do I change the settings?  2. This is my only laptop that has ethernet capabilities, the rest are wifi only. I've just purchased a second-hand router TL-ER5120, I believe the TL-ER6120  it's the same configuration setup. So I've reset the router by pushing the reset button. I believe the login is from 192.168.0.1. As this laptop is the only way I can access the dashboard via a browser. Unless I can switch
06:06:06 <_Random> over the settings to 192.168.0., it will be impossible to use the router. Your help will be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.
06:10:26 <_Random> don't worry on the secon issue, I've been able to access the router. Although I still need toidentify, where to change the netmask settings. thanks.
06:16:40 <_xor> _Random: When you say Nomad, what specifically are you talking about?
06:18:33 <_Random> nomadbsd
06:19:50 <_Random> I understand it is the bsd channel not the freebsd channel, I'm hopping that Nomad is built on freebsd, it would not be to much of a conflict & I'll understand if it's a no.
06:20:10 <_xor> I wanted to make sure you weren't talking about something else.
06:20:13 <_Random> oops that came out wrong
06:20:30 <_Random> it's a freebsd channel, not a nomad channel.
06:20:56 <_xor> I'm not sure about NomadBSD, but in FreeBSD you can configure the netmask in /etc/rc.conf by setting the appropriate line that configures the network interface.
06:21:17 <_xor> Though I'm not sure off the top of my head where the caveats might be for WLAN (haven't had to mess with it in a long while).
06:25:30 <_Random> the rc.conf is where it's enabled.I need to look for where the interface settings are set.
07:01:24 <meena> _Random: usually, WiFi is configured via DHCP, once WPA has been negotiated
07:02:37 <meena> unfortunately, the base DHCP client in FreeBSD is extremely limited
07:06:12 <meena> So, if your WiFi router accepts that, you could set a static IP configuration
08:17:18 <parv> meena, I had forgotten about Lua package PR that involved pkg-install(8) not being flavor-aware🤷🏽‍♂️
08:18:39 <parv> Not only gave up on the PR but also on learning Lua (took a break from "table" structure when it got started, then never returned)
08:49:41 <meena> parv: i generally ignore OS packaging when trying to learn a new language, until i have the basics in
08:50:59 <parv> meena, Sorry, did not mean to imply PR was related to me learning a new language; it was just that both thing happened around the same enough time
08:54:23 <parv> On a second though, actually no; do think both were related somewhat. If pieces of a language could not be installed properly, why even bother
08:55:36 <parv> s/though/thought/  # For want of  tea! Curses!
10:49:16 <hwpplayer1> hi people !
10:51:00 <hwpplayer1> we want to add a Turkish option to the FreeBSD forum. Where to ask that ?
10:51:50 <debdrup> https://www.freebsd.org/administration/#t-forum-admins
10:51:51 <VimDiesel> Title: FreeBSD Project Administration and Management | The FreeBSD Project
10:52:09 <debdrup> Or ask on the forums themselves.
10:52:46 <debdrup> Do note that English is the lingua franca used in the project, since it's the only language everyone shares.
10:53:23 <hwpplayer1> okay I'm gonna ask that in the forum debdrup Thanks
11:22:21 <rustyaxe> debdrup: i thought that was C?
11:33:03 <meena> rustyaxe:  C.UTF-8, as of 13?
11:33:33 <yuripv> i think it was about C, the language
16:26:28 <concrete_houses> z240 desktop with i7 no ida the bus
16:26:50 <concrete_houses> if I put usb 3 disks into raid 0 zfs will I get the combined speed ?
16:27:02 <concrete_houses> ufs so far
16:36:10 <zwr> 3 times the speed of the slowest one pk
16:36:19 <zwr> minus some overhead, but don't do that
16:43:52 <yourfate> you know what's dumb? puttin `zfs_enbale="YES"` in my rc.conf, then debugging why zfs won't auto mount my pools for an hour
16:47:55 <meena> yourfate: hot tip: service foo enable
16:48:06 <meena> any typos are immediately obvious
16:48:14 <yourfate> oh ty :)
17:09:53 <yourfate> but, I now have replaced arch arm with freebsd on my pi4, and it works nicely
17:16:58 <rwp> meena, > "hot tip: service foo enable", That's pretty neat!  Thanks for that tip. :-)
17:53:25 <RhodiumToad> parv: regarding the lua thing, it's really not clear to me what you expected pkg install to do? maybe it can be improved
17:53:53 <parv> RhodiumToad, Don't mind please; gave up long ago
17:53:58 <RhodiumToad> I personally never considered doing pkg install cat/port  because pkg install is for packages, not for ports
17:54:18 <RhodiumToad> I'm thinking about what pkg should do, not anything lua-specific
17:55:03 <parv> In that case, it would need to grow understanding of flavors
17:56:11 <RhodiumToad> yeah, but what would that mean in operational terms; flavors are a port thing rather than a package thing
17:56:40 <RhodiumToad> (packages are annotated with the flavor, but that's more documentation than anything else, as I understand it)
18:01:58 <parv> Somewhere in conversation turned out there is no consistent way to find flavor annotation by package name; need to search all available & make a guess
18:03:19 <RhodiumToad> flavor name is an annotation on the package (see the %At %Av options to pkg query or pkg rquery)
18:03:45 <RhodiumToad> but the mapping from flavor to package name is package-specific and pretty much every flavor does it differently
18:06:10 <parv> Anyway, need to go for now ...
18:18:17 <debdrup> https://freshbsd.org/freebsd/src/commit/108230743472b8 will probably please RhodiumToad
18:18:19 <VimDiesel> Title: FreeBSD / src / 1082307 / pwd.1: replace /home with /sys in example - FreshBSD
18:18:33 <debdrup> https://freshbsd.org/freebsd/src/commit/9a6a948128 is what I meant to link
18:18:34 <VimDiesel> Title: FreeBSD / src / 9a6a948 / hier.7: update /home - FreshBSD
18:23:40 <meena> nice https://reviews.freebsd.org/D40208 !
18:23:42 <VimDiesel> Title: ⚙ D40208 Update -ftrivial-auto-var-init flags for clang >= 16 and gcc >= 12
18:24:03 <meena> very excited to see what that fixes / breaks
18:25:16 <RhodiumToad> debdrup: indeed
18:30:16 <yourfate> so, what do you guys backup? /usr/home, what else?
18:30:25 <yourfate> or the entire rootfs?
18:30:30 <mason> Everything.
18:30:43 <dch> meena: TIL about `service foo enable`
18:31:16 <debdrup> I think I'm to blame for that.
18:31:48 <meena> it's good stuff
18:32:33 <debdrup> It's basically just a wrapper around sysrc(8) if memory serves.
18:32:35 <yourfate> I think I even did that once, following some install guide
18:32:39 <yourfate> but then forgot about it
18:33:29 <meena> debdrup: basically, yes, but there's no way to mistype the name of the service or enable or YES without getting severe errors as feedback
18:33:57 <debdrup> meena: yup
18:35:01 <yourfate> only thing this new bsd on pi setup misses is aes-adiantum encryption
18:35:16 <yourfate> which is just so much faster on PI than any other AES flavor I know of
18:42:38 <debdrup> one thing that was mentioned during the freebsd dev summit, to come out of openssl, is that it'll mean crypto(9) can use ossl(4) to do hardware accelerated offload of encryption and hashing, instead of relying on aesni(4)
18:45:02 <dch> debdrup: thats a great quality of life improvement
18:45:40 <RhodiumToad> huh. is sudo intentionally setting the coredump limit to 0, or is that a bug?
18:46:54 <debdrup> kern.suid_coredump=0 is default
18:47:00 <debdrup> err, sugid*
18:51:41 <RhodiumToad> that's not the issue
18:53:38 <RhodiumToad> (that only affects a specific exec, it's not propagated)
18:54:01 <RhodiumToad> (and also changing it has no effect)
18:55:54 <CrtxReavr> 06:52 < debdrup> Do note that English is the lingua franca used
18:55:59 * CrtxReavr snickers.
18:58:34 <johnjaye> is the dev summit over?
19:03:07 <meena> dch: what'd you think is going to be easier: fixing pw to not need root, especially when writing to an alternative root, or adding a fakeroot thing?
19:03:55 <dch> meena: TBH I don't really feel qualified to comment; I think the former would be more BSD-like.
19:04:45 <dch> e.g. here's a filesystem where I'm building out a new / fileystem, it has a passwd file, you'd want to inject some stuff into it as a normal user, and then finally wrap it up with corrected permissions, e.g. via mtree or something
19:04:52 <meena> tbh, i don't understand why there's a root check to begin with? why not just fail when you can't read/write?
19:04:55 <dch> is that wot you were thinking?
19:05:07 <dch> meena: that seems very reasonable question
19:05:20 <dch> its probably very old code
19:06:09 * meena should prepare a patch on that basis 
19:06:55 <meena> today i finally wrapped up some code i thought was gonna be a short distraction, but turned out to be a two day yak shave
19:07:49 <meena> cloud-init is gonna be so useful on BSD when I'm done with it.
19:11:50 <RhodiumToad>     if ((def_rlimit_core = strdup("0,0")) == NULL)   <-- well, that explains it
19:14:04 <CrtxReavr> meena, if you have a root check, you can print a specific error, vs. just relying on a likely unclear permissions error.
19:14:36 <CrtxReavr> I mean. . . . I guess you could print a specific error in a try/catch scenario, but then. . . why not just do the root check?
19:17:10 <meena> CrtxReavr: permission denied sounds pretty clear to me, but let's see what my patch ends up looking like, and how likely it is accepted
19:17:27 <RhodiumToad> Defaults !rlimit_core
19:17:30 <RhodiumToad> problem solved.
19:30:25 * CrtxReavr finds it disheartening when he finds stuff like xml in sysctl output.
19:35:54 <meena> CrtxReavr: got any better suggestions for a tree format?
19:40:57 <CrtxReavr> If it needs to be a tree format, then json, hands down.
19:43:11 <meena> ucl can probably do it do
19:44:17 <meena> but this was probably done in the before times. before JSON, and UCL, when XML roamed free and unchallenged
19:44:51 <CrtxReavr> I'm pretty sure JSON existed LONG before XML appeared in the sysctl output.
19:46:59 <RhodiumToad> probably not that much in it, actually
19:47:35 <CrtxReavr> kern.geom.conftxt
19:48:06 <RhodiumToad> .confxml
19:48:42 <CrtxReavr> whoops
19:48:48 <CrtxReavr> yes kern.geom.confxml
19:49:58 <RhodiumToad> it looks like the original commit in 2002 had xml support
19:50:22 <RhodiumToad> so JSON existed, but only barely
19:52:24 * RhodiumToad remembers the days before geom
20:20:19 <dkeav> the good ole days
20:20:23 <dkeav> gimmie a slice
20:20:40 <RhodiumToad> ccd! vinum!
20:21:13 <dkeav> hah yea vinum
20:21:49 <dkeav> which iirc geom still supports vinum
20:21:52 <dkeav> gvinum
20:21:56 * RhodiumToad ran freebsd 4.x for a very long time
20:22:04 <dkeav> same
20:22:13 <dkeav> ran some 3.x before that
20:22:35 <dkeav> left for a bit for 5.x
20:22:49 <RhodiumToad> 4.x was kind of an ocean of stability in between the dangerous cliffs of 3.x and 5.x
20:23:30 <dkeav> 4.11 was my longest tenured machine, that ran untouched for several years
20:23:48 <dkeav> only thing that had beat it is a solaris 7 machine
20:24:05 <RhodiumToad> I never followed development much at that time, but I do have the impression that there was an intentional odd/even release policy then
20:24:25 <johnjaye> meena: i was wondering about the json thing. it seems like it's everywhere in bsd
20:24:37 <RhodiumToad> everywhere???
20:24:50 <johnjaye> yeah there's an option in every bsd program i saw
20:24:58 <RhodiumToad> oh right, --libxo ?
20:25:03 <johnjaye> yeah
20:25:18 <RhodiumToad> that's a newer development
20:29:19 <meena> not everywhere enough if you ask me
20:30:50 <RhodiumToad> perhaps ironically, the geom commands are notably lacking in libxo support
21:43:42 <mrelcee> Nice.   The plan to unmess my zfs storage  pool mounting important things over my zroot due to pebcak has been resolved.
22:11:49 <meena> oops: https://flyovercountry.social/@encthenet/110420267101873486
22:11:50 <VimDiesel> Title: John-Mark Gurney: "Well, FreeBSD's #IPv6 mirror state is pretty poor…" - flyovercountry.social
22:20:41 <last1> anyone else getting invalid certificate on https://bsd.to ?
22:21:45 <derzahl> anyone knowledgable in unbricking LSI HBA cards?  I had a m1015 card I was trying to flash to IT mode and after finally getting a $%#@#ing freedos usb img to boot and locating megarec.exe I was able to erase the megaraid firmware, which was supposed to allow me to use sas2flash.efi (or other vers?) to detect the card and flash the HBA mode firmware
22:22:52 <derzahl> it didnt work.  card no longer has any lights lit up and does not show up as a pci device any longer:(
22:23:06 <derzahl> any hope ?
22:23:47 <last1> try the servethehome forums
22:23:55 <last1> they are really dedicated to this kind of issue
22:25:35 <derzahl> thought about it, but by the time i get a response I will probably have ordered a new card
22:26:16 <last1> people answer really quickly
22:26:28 <last1> and you can order a new card anyways
22:26:42 <derzahl> so much dated and conflicting info on these cards.  i did it about 5 years ago last time and no issues.  but that was in a different mb
22:27:00 <derzahl> ill give it a shot
22:27:02 <derzahl> thanks
22:29:31 <last1> https://pastebin.com/Xyn0cj4T <-- does anyone know which periodic script this is ?
22:29:32 <VimDiesel> Title: cat /etc/periodic.confdaily_status_security_chksetuid_fs="ufs,zfs"daily_st - Pastebin.com
22:29:38 <last1> keeps on starting daily
22:34:31 <mrelcee> Derzhl: i had a lot of fun sifting through old info and "expert" opinions on how to properly flash a 9300 to IT.    A couple missed that there are two 8i controllers on it.
22:36:35 <last1> mrelcee: there's really not much to it
22:36:42 <last1> the sas3flash pdf is quite exhaustive
22:36:55 <last1> -o -e7 to erase everything
22:37:08 <last1> and then just write the new file, also new bios if you fancy
22:37:57 <last1> http://www.raid.com.cn/images/editor/files/sas3Flash_quickRefGuide_rev1-0.pdf
22:37:58 <mrelcee> Last1: yeh i did better reading the docs and doing it myself.    Guess i was being lazy and looking for a quick read.
22:47:56 <mrelcee> I killed off my last BIOS machine when i upgraded my server,
22:48:58 <last1> out of spite ?
22:51:09 <mrelcee> Out of tired of paying to run it. And listening to it.    Was a very old dual 5xxx xeon box.
22:51:23 <mrelcee> Sounded like an MD11 spooling up  for takeoff.